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October 17, 2010, 10:03:16 AM
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He is trying to make bitcoin the success that visa is. That is a worthy goal in my mind.

With the right support , the right people and emulating the methods of  successful similar organisational structures bitcoin would take off. What this thread is aiming for is finding those key individuals. A lot of people have the passion for bitcoin but it takes more than that to get it to the next level.

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The very purpose of bitcoin is not to require any centralized organisation.  I don't see why bitcoin should try to mimic an organisation like Visa, for whom I have very little respect, personnaly.

Again, to me it seems just as weird as an organisation dedicated to gold, silver, salt, sugar or any other commodity.
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October 17, 2010, 11:02:37 AM
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I think that first, you have to define what you mean about "getting BITCOINS successful".
For me, what you need is (in this order):
 - Get bitcoin known for its qualities (anonymous, secure (i think scammer are not possible), no or verry little fees, and so)
 - Have a robust plateform to convert BTC to any currency you may want
 - Have proofs of the strenght of the network (user database size as well as cryptographies analysis on the algorithm robustness)
 - Make sellers propose BTC as a payment options

Without sellers accepting bitcoins, it is not going anywhere.
For that, you need sellers trust, which will require the first three steps listed above.

Once sellers are in, i think this will pretty much be autonomous.

Not sure if such goals requires a centralized organisation, but they may need some follow-up.

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October 17, 2010, 12:53:53 PM
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He is trying to make bitcoin the success that visa is. That is a worthy goal in my mind.

With the right support , the right people and emulating the methods of  successful similar organisational structures bitcoin would take off. What this thread is aiming for is finding those key individuals. A lot of people have the passion for bitcoin but it takes more than that to get it to the next level.

+1 !!!

The very purpose of bitcoin is not to require any centralized organisation.  I don't see why bitcoin should try to mimic an organisation like Visa, for whom I have very little respect, personnaly.

Again, to me it seems just as weird as an organisation dedicated to gold, silver, salt, sugar or any other commodity.


Visa is not centralised. This isnt about a centralised organisation it would be more like a foundation such as the mozilla foundation in my opinion.

As for commodity organisations these exist in Australia and are called such things as a wheat board http://www.awb.com.au/growers in which most of the growers are members and it helps them get better deals than one grower by themself could get.

Conceivably with a guiding foundation at the helm bitcoin may even become accepted by visa itself as a member.

Whatever comes of this has my fullest support. Im in as an evangelist Smiley.

My first suggestion would be to form a consortium of interested parties and get a merchant account in each of the major markets ie the US,Europe,Asia etc... With many members each paying a membership fee which equals the yearly merchant account cost it would help spread the load and would mean the foundation would be a non profit. One membership benefit could be cheaper currency conversion.This would immediately stop the scammers and give the bitcoin economy the liquidity it needs to grow.

This would also enable any merchant wanting to accept bitcoin to do so safe  in the knowledge that their cashflow would be assured.

One person or exchange by themself will be a target imo. This can be easily averted.


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October 21, 2010, 08:47:35 PM
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If you are interested in doing this at a more formal level, please email me at chaord.btc@gmail.com Please include some details about yourself, and an indication of resources you currently have at your disposal (time, expertise, assets, money/bitcoins, etc) that you are willing contribute towards a shared purpose.  I will aggregate responses and set up an initial conference call where we can define our principles, declare our purpose, and design a structure that will be advantageous for all participants.

Sound good? Ok! Let's do it!

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October 22, 2010, 09:32:44 AM
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The very purpose of bitcoin is not to require any centralized organisation.  I don't see why bitcoin should try to mimic an organisation like Visa, for whom I have very little respect, personnaly.

Again, to me it seems just as weird as an organisation dedicated to gold, silver, salt, sugar or any other commodity.


Such an organisation would not be in charge of Bitcoin. It would simply promote Bitcoin's adoption. Also, there is no reason only one such organisation should exist.

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October 22, 2010, 09:51:34 AM
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Such an organisation would not be in charge of Bitcoin. It would simply promote Bitcoin's adoption. Also, there is no reason only one such organisation should exist.

Well, to me this very forum and its website IS such an organisation.  I don't understand what we might need more.
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October 22, 2010, 12:27:47 PM
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Looking at other foundations attached to different projects it is more about developing standards and guidelines across the industry than about centralising the project.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standards_organization 


Peer to Peer foundation
http://p2pfoundation.net/

Open Source Initiative
http://www.opensource.org/

Free Software Foundation
http://www.fsf.org/

Linux Foundation
http://www.linuxfoundation.org/

XMPP Standards Foundation
http://xmpp.org/

Wikimedia Foundation
http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Home

Mozilla Foundation
http://www.mozilla.org/foundation/

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October 22, 2010, 12:46:20 PM
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Looking at other foundations attached to different projects it is more about developing standards and guidelines across the industry than about centralising the project.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standards_organization 


Ok now I understand better.

BTW, isn't this kind of standardisation supposed to be the job of IEEE and OSI ?
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October 22, 2010, 02:04:06 PM
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Looking at other foundations attached to different projects it is more about developing standards and guidelines across the industry than about centralising the project.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standards_organization 


Ok now I understand better.

BTW, isn't this kind of standardisation supposed to be the job of IEEE and OSI ?


Someone had to create those organisations to begin with Smiley Such things as Underwriters Laboratory spring up because it is in the interest of industries to ensure their customers are safe. Walmart is the worlds largest retailer for a reason - because they enforce their processes on their suppliers. They wouldnt let a dodgy product appear on their shelves and risk a lawsuit or lower the standards they set for themselves. You can walk into any mcdonalds in the world and be assured the products will be the same even though each restaurant is owned  by different operators.

I see a bitcoin foundation submitting bitcoin to such things as security audits by third parties to get it rated and tested. Imagine the cachet if someone like steve gibson tested bitcoin and gave it his approval....
Having undisputable proof from third parties and independent auditors that the protocol is indeed as secure as the dev team claims means a lot for confidence.



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