There IS life after DEATH: Scientists reveal shock findings

[qwik2learn]

Then... Could it mean that all consciousness is entangled with everything, thus everything is consciousness, not simply trapped in our brain? Maybe that vibration is how the instrument that is our brain is acting like a FM radio and that vibration is the frequency of reception?

That sounds right to me!

Since this man's mind did function without any brain, it is therefore proven that mind and brain are independent. It is mysterious to think of these two as separate, but this is only so under the paradigm of philosophical materialism, which must now be discarded. We must now admit that Consciousness drives evolution.

"Ultimately we need a global shift in thinking, in behaviour, away from the material and towards the spiritual, and in my view this study has the potential to help foment that."

It is more elegant and far easier to accept as a working hypothesis that sentience exists as a potential at the source of creation, and the strongest evidence has already been put on the table: Everything to be observed in the universe implies consciousness.

Louis Pasteur and many other eminent researchers thought that it was more probable that mind came before matter, and Hammeroff has presented evidence that feelings came before the brain.

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[vokain]

Of course there can be life after "death"
We have material and energy but most important then that, we have conscience!
The conscience is our soul.
The conscience is stored in microtubules.
After "death" It is released in cosmos
The sciences think conscience is flowing in cosmos
The Christians ( and not only) think conscience it returns to Creator.
The materialists ( as atheists or others) think nothing but even that they have conscience.

How do you know that?

If you take some quantum view, you might find that consciousness can entangle itself in most everything


Discovery of quantum vibrations in 'microtubules' inside brain neurons supports controversial theory of consciousness

Then... Could mean that all consciousness is entangled with everything, thus everything is consciousness, not simply trapped in our brain? Maybe that vibration is how the instrument that is our brain is acting like a FM radio and that vibration is the frequency of reception?

Possibly entangled in degrees. I can dig what you're (we're) tuning into

You may find the notion that consciousness is not simply tied to our brains to be worth considering

There is a branch of science that is neurocardiology and some research in the field suggests that the brain is not the only seat of consciousness. Interestingly, the EM field radiating from the heart (when I was still in college we learned that MRI brain scanning had to be corrected against the EM field from the heart) is some non-insignificant size bigger than the brain, and also, the heart is the first organ to form during development.

Also, your gut probably also is a seat of consciousness.



Considering that consciousness isn't localized to just the brain might allow a framework towards extending consciousness to the rest of the Universe

[Quartx]

Think about it, death is simply what we humans classify as a state when modern technology can no longer resucitate/put u back in one piece, functional equivalence and those other shits. 80 years ago if a guy had a heart attack, he would be pronounced dead, now with aeds and almost everyone knowing cpr, he would simply be classified as high chance of mortality, not dead.

Death is simply when technology or medicinal advances can no longer help to bring back someone, so technically it isnt death, although I wouldn't classify it as being alive either

Death. 1: the irreversible cessation of all vital functions especially as indicated by permanent stoppage of the heart, respiration, and brain activity  

[Wilikon]

Consciousness. How much does it weigh. What shape does it have. How big is it.

[Cyaren]

Lol, have to say that they are pretty interesting findings. But it doesn't prove that life after death is true.

The people who were involved in this experiment all came alive afterwards. If a person actually dies and never was able to recover from his "deadness", then will he still have the same consciousness?

It doesn't prove that there isn't life after death either. I mean, I would prefer a life after death than no life after death. Life is way more fun

“I hope it is true that a man can die and yet not only live in others but give them life, and not only life, but that great consciousness of life.”
- Jack Kerouac

[ObscureBean]

Consciousness. How much does it weigh. What shape does it have. How big is it.

Apparently the answer to your question is 21 grams. This is the unaccounted for/unexplained weight that is lost moving from a living human body to a corpse. I looked it up after watching the movie "21 grams".
Awesome movie BTW if you're a Sean Penn fan  

[qwik2learn]

If a person actually dies and never was able to recover from his "deadness", then will he still have the same consciousness?

This is akin to the question "is it possible to step into the same river twice"?
For all the change that happens in death, consciousness may still remain stable in some respect because consciousness is a unity. A river can’t remain a river, unless its water continues to flow, and consciousness needs death for renewal and growth.
The patient had memories that were apparently formed independently of any brain function, so therefore there was consciousness without the brain and a record of the events was left in the patient's consciousness.
I conclude that the record maintained by the body passes away while the record at the soul-level continues to present itself in consciousness.

[Daisy14]

Why do you guys find it hard to accept that man is made up of a body, a soul and a spirit?

The spirit enables the soul to remain in the body. Once the spirit leaves, the soul has to leave and the body dies.

Simple.

The soul goes to either heaven or hell.

Hell is deep down the earth crust.

Heaven is somewhere above and outside the universe.

[Gaugh]

This is my two cents for anyone wondering how to get to heaven.

Believing in Jesus and the principles of the new testament bible will always lead to heaven eventually.

"Something" made the universe.
EVERYTHING in the universe follows a mathematically precise order.


Please do not mention evolution


Something as mathematically accurate as the universe cannot come out of an accident...

[no-ice-please]

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http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/670781/There-IS-life-after-DEATH-Scientists-reveal-shock-findings-from-groundbreaking-study



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Science is settled. Now we can move on and make fun people and destroy the lives of those who do not believe: the deniers...

 

There are many groundbreaking studies like that. Another story that pops up every few years has to do with old coffins found with deep fingernail scratching on the interior. There is a lot of evidence of life after death if you look.

[vokain]

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http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/670781/There-IS-life-after-DEATH-Scientists-reveal-shock-findings-from-groundbreaking-study



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Science is settled. Now we can move on and make fun people and destroy the lives of those who do not believe: the deniers...

 

There are many groundbreaking studies like that. Another story that pops up every few years has to do with old coffins found with deep fingernail scratching on the interior. There is a lot of evidence of life after death if you look.

http://listverse.com/2010/02/02/10-horrifying-premature-burials/

Fuck that

[Kummerf]

Once your heart stops beating your consciousness will separate from your body as spark like entity. It will travel to dimension not known and cannot be reach by live humans.

Science is still too young to understand this things.

[Lethn]

All this states is a that something is going on even after people are dead, why the fuck are religious people so damn arrogant that they feel they can declare something so significant without having evidence for what they say? Who says this has anything to do with their being a creator god? Also, why the fuck should I care either way about your religion? Here's my own personal theory on the subject, if there is any after life, I doubt it's anything that humans have imagined for themselves and that it doesn't necessarily mean there are gods of any sort out there. Or alternatively, if there are gods, they are relatively meaningless to our world.

The old arguments against bullshit religion are still completely fair, why is there more than one religion if their is only one creator god? Why is it that humans have free will if these gods are so powerful? Why can't these gods intervene? It's just so incredibly fucking arrogant to declare one way or the other without actually knowing or observing anything. Besides it doesn't matter to me if a god did exist, why would I want to be part of any religion with such unpleasant cunts and an even more unpleasant god?

Again, the arrogance of religious people who have immediately jumped on this thread is unbelievable, you don't know anything for certain and you're full of shit if you claim otherwise, unlike you, I want to find out the real truth, none of this sensationalist, indoctrinated bullshit we know as religious fanaticism.

[Saksham]

All this states is a that something is going on even after people are dead, why the fuck are religious people so damn arrogant that they feel they can declare something so significant without having evidence for what they say? Who says this has anything to do with their being a creator god? Also, why the fuck should I care either way about your religion? Here's my own personal theory on the subject, if there is any after life, I doubt it's anything that humans have imagined for themselves and that it doesn't necessarily mean there are gods of any sort out there. Or alternatively, if there are gods, they are relatively meaningless to our world.

The old arguments against bullshit religion are still completely fair, why is there more than one religion if their is only one creator god? Why is it that humans have free will if these gods are so powerful? Why can't these gods intervene? It's just so incredibly fucking arrogant to declare one way or the other without actually knowing or observing anything. Besides it doesn't matter to me if a god did exist, why would I want to be part of any religion with such unpleasant cunts and an even more unpleasant god?

Again, the arrogance of religious people who have immediately jumped on this thread is unbelievable, you don't know anything for certain and you're full of shit if you claim otherwise, unlike you, I want to find out the real truth, none of this sensationalist, indoctrinated bullshit we know as religious fanaticism.

Lethn please keep your bullshit away!

You speak about fanaticism? Look at feminism, Marxism, socialism, communism, capitalism, bolshevism ..Look at atheism !! 

Do you know how many people (Christians most of them)  were killed by Marxism-atheism-bolshevism? Please tell me how many!!
Don't try to lie ..I'm living in a country where million of Christians were killed because of the Marxism-atheism!

If there is one God why there are many religions? Put your brain to work! All because of different interpretations !!!

You are speaking about fanaticism or terrorism? You not even know where those words are coming!!

Who force you to be religious? Why the atheists are so full of hate? full of lies and full of bullshit?
 

You are talking about observing? you are talking about indoctrination? even education is a indoctrination, even shopping ..Where is your logic?

The biggest problem at atheists is LOGIC, they don't have LOGIC, and somehow is explained, the animals has no logic. They think that humans are animals..

Arrogance of religion? Probably you mean ARROGANCE OF ATHEISM!

You think if you're atheist you are smart then others? This is what I mean ARROGANCE!

Put your brain and learn something about religions but not from the atheist forums. Read something from different sources!
You even don't know what means "anti-semitic"

You are asking why God don't intervene? Go ahead and read! learn! think!
You are speaking about freedom? Do you think you are free? Are you a kid? With your mentality you are not free! Please let me know how many choice is yours? When you watch at tv is it your own choice? When you buy something is your  own choice? No! Is not your own! You are manipulated to do that thing.

From a Christian perspective, God  gave us the free will, how? (Deuteronom 30:19) (Iosua 24:15) (Matthew 27:35)

How can an atheist to choice what is good and what is wrong (not only for him, but even for others)? using hedonistic philosophy? pleasure=good pain=wrong/bad ? or using your intellect?  Please tell me how many "toxic" food which you like it, do you eat?

Atheist don't believe  bad(evil in any forms) exist so there is no bad or good there is only pleasure and pain. This is the key of consumerism!

You are only numbers!

And atheists please don't name humans, animals. You offend my intellect! (btw I love animals!! ) 



 

[Wilikon]

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Science is settled. Now we can move on and make fun people and destroy the lives of those who do not believe: the deniers...

 

There are many groundbreaking studies like that. Another story that pops up every few years has to do with old coffins found with deep fingernail scratching on the interior. There is a lot of evidence of life after death if you look.

http://listverse.com/2010/02/02/10-horrifying-premature-burials/

Fuck that

Some times, it is good to let go of Google and never know...

 

[Dinki]

Some times, it is good to let go of Google and never know...

 


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There are times ignorance is not bliss.

[Betwrong]

So the Express huh? ) Since I was a child I was told never trust to the Sun, the Express and the Daily Mail. Was I told wrong? I don't think so. They are always "revealing shock findings" but how many of them managed to survive a scientific test?

[n691309]

I don't know how scientists can confirm that there is a life after death, i don't think they went there and came back to tell us? It is very good stated in the QURAN than there is a life after death and it is no doubt about it.

[EUROPEANTURK]

LIFE after death has been "confirmed" by scientists who have discovered consciousness continues even once a person has died.



In a large scale study of more than 2,000 people, British boffins confirmed that thoughts DO carry on after the heart stops.

The shock research has also uncovered the most convincing evidence of an out of body experience for a patient declared dead.

It had been believed the brain stopped all activity 30 seconds after the heart had stopped pumping blood around the body, and that with that, awareness ceases too.

However, the study from the University of Southampton shows people still experience awareness for up to three minutes after they had been pronounced dead.


Lead researcher Dr Sam Parnia said: "Contrary to perception, death is not a specific moment but a potentially reversible process that occurs after any severe illness or accident causes the heart, lungs and brain to cease functioning.

"If attempts are made to reverse this process, it is referred to as 'cardiac arrest'; however, if these attempts do not succeed it is called ‘death’."

Of the 2,060 patients from Austria, the US and the UK interviewed for the study who had survived cardiac arrest, almost 40 per cent said that they recall some form of awareness after being pronounced clinically dead.

Dr Parnia continued: "This suggests more people may have mental activity initially but then lose their memories after recovery, either due to the effects of brain injury or sedative drugs on memory recall.”


Of those who said they had experienced some awareness, just two per cent said their experience was consistent with the feeling of an outer body experience – where one feels completely aware and can hear and see what’s going on around them after death.

Almost half of the respondents said the experience was not of awareness, but rather of fear.

However, the most significant finding of the study is that of a 57-year old man who is perhaps the first confirmed outer body experience in a patient.


The man was able to recall with eerie accuracy what was going on around him after he had ‘died’ temporarily.

Dr Parnia continued: "This is significant, since it has often been assumed that experiences in relation to death are likely hallucinations or illusions occurring either before the heart stops or after the heart has been successfully restarted, but not an experience corresponding with 'real' events when the heart isn't beating.

"In this case, consciousness and awareness appeared to occur during a three-minute period when there was no heartbeat.


“This is paradoxical, since the brain typically ceases functioning within 20-30 seconds of the heart stopping and doesn't resume again until the heart has been restarted.

“Furthermore, the detailed recollections of visual awareness in this case were consistent with verified events."


http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/670781/There-IS-life-after-DEATH-Scientists-reveal-shock-findings-from-groundbreaking-study



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Science is settled. Now we can move on and make fun people and destroy the lives of those who do not believe: the deniers...

 

 i dont think that results of this scientific research is true.. 2000 people isnt enogh to say that there is a life after death.. scientists must do experiment with a great number of people .

[Lethn]

Who force you to be religious? Why the atheists are so full of hate? full of lies and full of bullshit?

The fact that your specifically telling me how to believe and are specifically trying to claim that Athiesm is fanaticism, as for the others, I am against that as well in case you didn't notice, but because I dared to criticise all religion you've decided to freak out and go on the attack because you can't believe someone might disagree with you. People like you are utterly delusional, you act as if any criticism of your religion and beliefs is some kind of concerted effort to persecute you when really all I want is for you to leave me the fuck alone, keep your bullshit in the church and away from the real world and we're good. If however you are going to try and usurp governments and establish a Theocracy where I live you will always find me countering you.

Religion and other forms of fantacism is just a desperate cop out by people who aren't willing to try and find out the genuine truth which is a lot harder than simply saying "God created us" you are being intellectually cowardly by trying to attack me for saying this.

Also, I am an Anarchist, I wouldn't worship your cunt of a God even if he was real, stop trying to pigeon hole people into ideologies just to fit your narrative.