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May 25, 2016, 07:07:07 AM
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The people shilling for the MLM/Pyramid-Scam-based coin, 'LEOcoin' have claimed since the coin's inception that, unlike the pseudo-anonymous nature of the vast majority of digital currencies, they have developed technology which makes it, "truly anonymous".

Their leocoin.org website, the central point of information on the web for the general public to learn of this coin and its features has long (since 2014 according to LEOcoin Foundation) contained this explicit claim:



Anybody who understand the basic principle behind bitcoin knows it is not anonymous, it is pseudo-anonymous. While addresses within the publicly-viewable blockchain are not named and generally do not carry identifiers of the person who possesses the private key to them, the fact is that every single transaction since the genesis block can be tracked to analyse the movement of coins to and from these addresses.

By simply discovering the information of who owns some of the addresses, usually through their having used centralised exchanges which require users to submit their identity, or through using Bitcoin to make online purchases which may involve submitting personal information or a delivery address, it is absolutely possible to uncover a veritable trove of information on that person's coin transactions, their history and even trace their ongoing activities. 

This is why the concept of a "truly anonymous" digital currency is often considered as the 'Holy Grail' of cryptocurrency technology and very few coin projects seek to specialise in achieving this complex and extremely difficult goal.

While many digital currency websites play fast and loose with the use of the word 'anonymous' when listing the features and specification of their coin, usually simply alluding to the lack of address identifiers, only those projects which are claiming to specifically offer total anonymity list in their coin's features that they are, "truly anonymous".

LEOcoin, which is known to market and promote itself through an MLM/Pyramid scheme to the general public, not only claims to possess this valuable technology, but even qualifies that claim further by comparing itself to regular digital currencies which are anonymous "only on a superficial level".

There is no vague, hand-wavy, stretching of the truth here. They do not simply claim it be anonymous, they specifically claim it to be, "truly anonymous" and, therefore, superior to other coins which are only pseudo-anonymous, like Bitcoin for example. LEOcoin is actually claiming that it offers a feature which even the multi-billion-dollar Bitcoin does not have. It is promoting itself to the general public as offering a function that it simply does not possess.

It is doing this in order to make itself seem more advanced a technology than 'other' coins, like Bitcoin.

It is doing this in order to persuade the general public that it is a worthwhile and valuable investment.

It is committing fraud in doing so.

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LEOcoin, as a clone of Mintcoin, has no discernible features or technical specification which would elevate it over any other digital currency.

When the issue of this fraudulent claim towards it being, "truly anonymous" was first raised in the LEOcoin thread on this forum by user, 'arielbit' it was ignored:
it is a pyramiding scheme brought to crypto currency land, this coin has no innovations and obsolete and no good developer..look at the OP coin features --> "anonymous" haha WTF? the OP does not know shit he/she is a marketeer too

this is just a coin by marketeers to scam people who don't know shit about crypto currency, who will simply think "if i got to bitcoin early i'm already a millionaire so i will invest in leocoin too"

I subsequently brought attention back to this false claim:
Hey, Leocoin Foundation, care to explain how this amazing coin achieves this?
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Through the use of advanced cryptography and encryption methods, we have managed to make LEOcoin a truly anonymous digital currency, in contrast to others which are anonymous only on a superficial level.

Because true anonymity is an awfully difficult thing to achieve and the Leocoin github hasn't been updated in over a year, which would surely mean that hidden in its cut-and-paste code is the holy grail of anonymity?

I'm betting it isn't.

and got this reply:
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regarding the anonymity level I will speak with the team that programmed LEOcoin and likewise explain the statement or have it adapted. Please understand that the LEOcoin Foundation was started a year after the first LEOcoins were created and that we currently have a lot of WIP to deal with.

Seeing as this project still failed to remove this false claim I raised it again:
Any response yet on why this coin has always been, and is still being, touted as possessing the 'holy-grail' tech of complete anonymity when it clearly does not and never has?

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Described on MyLeoBusiness as the “final piece of the LEO puzzle”, LEOCoin promises anonymity and security that are “nothing short of revolutionary”.

"We studied bitcoin, saw its strengths and weaknesses, and launched LEOCoin on the shoulders of its achievements, while improving on just about every aspect of it," Andersson said, before elaborating on the projects value propositions that include “complete anonymity”
and “state-of-the-art security”.

and got another assurance that it would be looked into:
@cryptodevil

good point, I will look into this. Some level of anonymity will be present, I suppose, but not complete anonymity, after all, the internet is involved ...

Still nothing was done.

Months passed and that fraudulent claim remained as part of the promotional information for this coin.

I again raised the issue with 'LEOcoin Foundation' but all I got in response were repeated and dishonest attempts to redefine the meaning of the word, "anonymous".

I'll not post the huge walls of text he continually resorted to as they are tedious beyond belief but they began around this point:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1289299.msg14913528#msg14913528

I eventually offered 'LEOcoin Foundation' the opportunity to honestly accept that the statement was false and to ensure it was promptly removed from the leocoin.org website, something which should have been done six months ago, and the reply I got was that 'LEOcoin Foundation' and I simply had a difference of opinion on the matter, followed by yet more attempts at redefining the meaning of the word, "anonymous". All the while the leocoin.org website continues to lie about possessing tech which makes it, "truly anonymous".


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[updated to include excellent piece from behindmlm.com about the sorry state of this ponzi scam

https://behindmlm.com/companies/leo/leo-withholds-commissions-dan-andersson-confirms-ponzi-scheme/
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LEO withholds commissions, Dan Andersson confirms Ponzi scheme
Aug.09, 2019

LEO owner and CEO Dan Andersson has announced existing commission balances are being held hostage, pending new investment from recruited affiliates.
Andersson’s announcement was made in a “Special Global Associate Meeting”, held yesterday.
Last we heard Andersson was under criminal investigation in Pakistan. To that end authorities had forbidden him from fleeing the country.
In April the Pakistani SEC shut down a shell company related to LEO.
As far as we know Andersson (right) is still prohibited from leaving Pakistan, and the regulatory investigation into LEO continues.
What with LEO’s latest incarnation being an MLM crypto Ponzi scheme, naturally this has been terrible for business.
Or as Andersson puts it, LEO now finds itself in an “almighty cash crunch”.
Rather than come clean about his arrest and status in Pakistan, Andersson dances around the elephant in the room.
The closest he gets to acknowledging LEO’s legal problems, is stating the company has racked up “two million pounds of legal fees on different things”.
LEO began as a personal development pyramid scheme back in 2012. Like many MLM scams, the company pivoted into cryptocurrency in 2014.
This saw the introduction of LEO Coin, which has operated as a Ponzi scheme through an internal exchange since launch.
On or around August 2015 LEO Coin was listed publicly. At launch LEO Coin hovered around five cents.
From 2017 however it’s been in continuous decline, and now trades publicly at 2.2 cents.
Andersson refers to LEO’s sale of LEO Coin internally as a Digital Marketing Service (DMS).
In short LEO generates LEO Coin demand, solicits investment for the coins internally and pays commissions on affiliate investor recruitment.
This is your standard MLM crypto Ponzi model.
Trouble is, with Andersson stuck and new investment plummeting, LEO has (supposedly) run out of money to honor internal exchange withdrawals.
As part of his Special Global Associate Meeting announcement, Andersson inadvertently reveals LEO has been paying internal exchange withdrawal requests with invested funds.

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May 25, 2016, 08:20:26 AM
Last edit: May 25, 2016, 08:49:09 AM by LEOcoin Foundation
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@all

LEOcoin is not a scam. Cryptodevil has a weird opinion with regard to anonymity. Anonymous literally means: without a name. As LEOcoin and other digital currencies transactions do not include names, they can be regarded as anonymous. As however some personally identifiable information, like e.g. an IP-address could be traced, perhaps a better choice of words would be 'pseudo-anonymous', which I have advocated from the start.

To avoid stupid claims like this, we have initiated that the text on the concerning page is altered in order to avoid further misunderstandings.

This is my only and final stance to this unnecessary thread.


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GJ @cryptodevil

Its good to see that someone has the knowledge to explain  @LeoCoinFundation that his bullshit long ass essays have no real meaning and that he is full of smoke.



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LEOcoin is not a scam. Cryptodevil has a weird opinion with regard to anonymity. Anonymous literally means: without a name. As LEOcoin and other digital currencies transactions do not include names, they can be regarded as anonymous. As however some personally identifiable information, like e.g. an IP-address could be traced, perhaps a better choice of words would be 'pseudo-anonymous', which I have advocated from the start.

To avoid stupid claims like this, we have initiated that the text on the concerning page is altered in order to avoid further misunderstandings.

This is my only and final stance to this unnecessary thread.



This is incorrect. Anonymity is not the same as pseudonymity, as with digital currencies like bitcoin we replace a name with a pseudonym, in a real anonymous setting, no information whatsoever is available (ZCash).-

Anonymity (Zcash) - no signature (without a name)
pseudonymity (Bitcoin) - replacing a signature with a pseudonym (with a "fake" name)


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They say that you can tell about a person by their friends.
Can you also tell about a scheme by its shills/affiliates?
From FB yesterday....






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CLARIFICATION: Leocoin in my opinion is scammy. I wouldn't put money in it and would advise other likewise.
This is a theoretical post only - it is NOT an endorsement of Leocoin or MLM.


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MLM tends to be a bit pseudo religious and cult like - I don't personally like it - but it is legal in most countries.

The main exchange, the code, the mining (POS)  and the promotion is all controlled by the same people and main stakeholders.

Centralisation makes it risky. If the system collapses it has no recoverable value.

With MLM you always pay a high premium for a product because it has many levels of commissions to pay - so you will never get a bargain or good deal. So it does NOT make a good investment.

There are some successful MLM products  - like Avon, Herbalife and Amway - however this is not necessarily a good thing. Just because companies that use questionable sale techniques don't go broke doesn't make them worthwhile joining.

The price of LEOcoin is being manipulated on the exchanges.




This images shows that exchange pumps take place to give the appearance of market change. It is just a price increase instigated by a large holder of the Leocoin crypto.

Because crypto is largely unregulated many unethical things can occur. If this happened with a registered security in a regulated market it would in most likelyhood result in prosecution.

This is something that happens in crypto and should be viewed as a warning of market manipulation.


HOWEVER - AS A SYSTEM:

CONTROLLED MINING, CONTROLLED EXCHANGE, NODE CONTROL and SOFTWARE CONTROL can have advantages and makes a system secure if the people controlling the system stay around. It also makes you totally dependent on that group of people.

Controlled POW mining (rather than pos), controlled exchange, node control and software control would be ideal for an existing trusted and regulated bank. It would make transactions easy and secure. Government oversight and strict financial controls would be needed for such a system to be safe.

If it was run by a established bank and had some government oversight it would have commerce benefits.
Without such a trusted organisation and government oversight it creates additional risk.

Crypto is still largely unregulated - unlike financial markets. Centralized control creates extra risk.

So when security, anonymity, price and success of the coin is controlled by the same group of private people it becomes like joining bartercard or investing in interest bearing gift cards or sending via paypal.

It does remove a lot of the benefits of decentralized open source crypto that is subject to market forces and relatively free from government control.



NOTE: This post is heavily edited from the first post to make it clear that it is only talking about SYSTEMS.

This is NOT AN ENDORSEMENT of Leocoin. In my opinion Leocoin is NOT a good investment.

In my opinion Leocoin has been sold using exaggerations and misrepresentations.



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There are many successful MLM products as well - like Avon, Herbalife and Amway - all which interestingly have associations with LEOcoin.


Reference?

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There are many successful MLM products as well - like Avon, Herbalife and Amway - all which interestingly have associations with LEOcoin.


Reference?

Avon hires people to sell their product. In return these people get a share of what they sell as well as a share of those they get to join.

This is nothing new and has been going on for decades.

Google is a great reference.

A more proper term is called Commission, where you only get paid by selling someone else's product.

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There are many successful MLM products as well - like Avon, Herbalife and Amway - all which interestingly have associations with LEOcoin.


Reference?

<snip> bullshit <snip>


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Avon, Herbalife and Amway - all which interestingly have associations with LEOcoin.

Specific reference link to Leocoin associations with Avon, Herbalife and Amway asked for.

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Avon, Herbalife and Amway at least have a product range they sell. The LEO mlm is simply about recruiting more people to buy in so they can join the pyramid of people recruiting others to buy in, so they can join the pyramid of...


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There are many successful MLM products as well - like Avon, Herbalife and Amway - all which interestingly have associations with LEOcoin.


Reference?

<snip> bullshit <snip>


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Avon, Herbalife and Amway - all which interestingly have associations with LEOcoin.

Specific reference link to Leocoin associations with Avon, Herbalife and Amway asked for.

*crickets*


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CONTROLLED MINING, CONTROLLED EXCHANGE, NODE CONTROL and SOFTWARE CONTROL can have advantages and makes a system secure if the people controlling the system stay around. It also make you totally dependent on that group of people.

Better security and anonymity can be achieved by having the mining, nodes and code controlled by the same group of people.

So when security, anonymity, price and success of the coin is controlled by h same group of private people it becomes like joining bartercard or investing in interest bearing gift cards or sending via paypal. OneCoin


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There are many successful MLM products as well - like Avon, Herbalife and Amway - all which interestingly have associations with LEOcoin.


Reference?





Hahahaha

One of the main things I have noticed about Leocoin is the appalling quality of their shills.

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Avon, Herbalife and Amway at least have a product range they sell. The LEO mlm is simply about recruiting more people to buy in so they can join the pyramid of people recruiting others to buy in, so they can join the pyramid of...



Avon, Herbalife and Amway all sell products that some of which are priced far more expensive than any of their competitors products.

They all run cultish style training seminars.

MLM is overpriced items that are sold through pyramid style scemes. Leocoin is an overpriced crypto sold through MLM. There is little or no difference.

MLM is legal and it appeals to certain parts of the population.

I do have an issue with the false claims like "truly anonymous" - it isn't. Wallets can be traced to an owner.
The pumping of prices on exchanges to make it look like it is traded there.

They also claim that the smaller denomination of leo coin makes it more usable and that because Bitcoin reached up to 1200USD per coin, which made it inaccessible for many people and not practical as currency - which is bullshit because a Satoshi is smaller in value than a cent.

I differ in opinion as to whether Leo is a ponzi and only time will tell who is right. A ponzi eventually collapses.

Would I invest in it - hell no !  Crypto is full of good opportunities and Leo - in my opinion - isn't one of them.

But there is also lots of other crypto out there that have fake markets and some exchanges have fake volume by using volume bots.

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Funny there was not one single word about this coin being ANON when a shill was posting about how Apple approved of their app on the apple store in Alt Main recently.

Then when confronted with any questions he was highly evasive.

I asked if it was true that the APP in question was simply an Information only APP
and got not relevant reply back..

Clone of Mint Coin ? hmmm ?

These fuckers scream scam.... AVOID !



I see the picture of the check posted earlier.. then the newbie's image above my comment.
Notice how it says Amway etc and in the lower right corner is a Lion head ?
Notice how it matches the Lion head background on that Facebook picture of a check for $26,000 ?

So guys were debating earlier if there was links to Amway etc (which would be a bad thing)
Well.. you can see them with your own eyes Wink

Further more..
I have been seeing a large campaign of spamming going on and there seems to be a LOT of lying puppet accounts and bold dishonest claims.
Whom ever is behind this is hell bent on spamming this crap coin.

Red flags galore.
Like the dev on this topic trying to talk his way out of getting caught lying about Leocoin having the best ANON features of any coin in crypto (when it has none what so ever)
His excuse was a pathetic joke.. straight up lying manipulative weazle bullshit and he knows it.

This coin and it's associated idiots are fraudulent crooked scammy bulllshit !

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Payment #223 ? of $26,795 pounds ?

Lecoin coin + Lion ? ..zodiac symbol ? Learning Enterprises Organization Ltd. ?

hmmm so what are we "learning" ?  Cheesy

That they REALLY like that logo ?  Grin

www.leocoinfoundation.org/img/members/LEOlogo.png

Hmm members ?

PS:

$26795.00 pounds x 223 weeks = $5,975,285.00 (as of SEP 10th 2016)

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Payment #223 ? of $26,795 pounds ?

Lecoin coin + Lion ? ..zodiac symbol ? Learning Enterprises Organization LLC ?

hmmm so what are we "learning" ?  Cheesy

That they REALLY like that logo ?

www.leocoinfoundation.org/img/members/LEOlogo.png

Hmm members ?

Check out the check number..... Cheesy

#01234567, don't get many of them.





Notice how it says Amway etc and in the lower right corner is a Lion head ?
Notice how it matches the Lion head background on that Facebook picture of a check for $26,000 ?

So guys were debating earlier if there was links to Amway etc (which would be a bad thing)
Well.. you can see them with your own eyes Wink

That's not a 'link' to or 'associations' with Amway per se, that's just a sponsors board for some shitty MLM love-in.

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..is that 67 ?

And i got a feeling the Leocoin Foundation guy will be back on this topic LOL



EDIT:

Yeah i got that they were another sponsor of that meeting alongside those other infamous groups.
Which as the guys were saying here earlier that is not a good thing.
I am not saying Amway is associated with the coin etc.
Just that this Leo group is among bad / sleazy company.

Who knows how many checks were written and for how much.

I do see a shitcoin with massive ties to an LTD though.
A Free Market Decentralized Github MintCoin clone flogged by a COMPANY Ltd.
Backed by APPLE's approval and Yahoo with the worlds best ANON tech.
Yet the only guy talking about is 1 shill creating a pile of puppet shill accounts  Cheesy
..he earns his pay LOL

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No one wants to pick up the torch..

Do a Google search and see who and what is behind LEOcoin people !


Source = Slideshare.net


Source = LinkedIn


Source = earnitwithleo.blogspot.com



Start digging with your very own LEOphone (LFON4) down that rabbit hole and get to know your NEW WORLD ORDER.

Hell i Google'd "LEOtower" and found this from 2014.. Spoiler: Tower did not exist  Cheesy

http://behindmlm.com/companies/leo-review-personal-development-dvds-recruitment/

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LEO essentially boils down into a chain-recruitment scheme. Affiliates join for between £10 to £5000, which fits conveniently with the affiliate packs offered and then set about recruiting affiliates who do the same.

..

If the money being paid out is 100% or close to sourced solely from affiliates, then there’s also some Ponzi scheme issues at play here. Affiliates purchase a position in the comp plan and are then paid a weekly ROI, based on how much revenue they and their recruited downline have generated.

Not quite a fully fledged Ponzi business model but a concern nonetheless.

Approach with caution.

If THAT doesn't look bad then uhhmm what the fuck does ?
Need more ?

Bitcon LOL
Learn to spell retards hahhahah

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Check out the check number..... Cheesy

#01234567, don't get many of them.




Ergo, #01234567 is a bank's routing number, the middle number is their account number, with the last number being the check number (my personal checks exactly follow the format depicted above). All of which begs the question(s), what bank has #01234567 as their routing number which has an account #89246812 so that check number 34567890 (don't get many of them) could have been written from?

Here's a different check WITH THE EXACT SAME CHECK NUMBER:



Bonus Observation: Both signatures on both checks match perfectly.
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Hi Gleb

I originally lifted that cheque (check) from some Filipino woman affiliate's FaceBook page. The absurdity of it, not least the idea that LEO are sitting there writing and posting checks to pay people, rather appealed to me.
Learning Enterprises Organisation UK ltd. are ( not surprisingly) based in the UK and would presumably use a UK bank. On UK cheques, the first group of numbers are the cheque number, the second the bank's sort code and the third the account's number.
There are, as ever, many scams deserving of your attention.
Flavor of the Month is coins with MLM schemes attached like Leo, e.g. Capri, Swiss, Das and others.
Have fun.

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Hi Gleb

I originally lifted that cheque (check) from some Filipino woman affiliate's FaceBook page. The absurdity of it, not least the idea that LEO are sitting there writing and posting checks to pay people, rather appealed to me.
Learning Enterprises Organisation UK ltd. are ( not surprisingly) based in the UK and would presumably use a UK bank. On UK cheques, the first group of numbers are the cheque number, the second the bank's sort code and the third the account's number.
There are, as ever, many scams deserving of your attention.
Flavor of the Month is coins with MLM schemes attached like Leo, e.g. Capri, Swiss, Das and others.
Have fun.

I regret to inform the community that my first mistake this year  Roll Eyes has been identified: https://news.customhouse.com/faq/spp/?q=53



Reads to me like the format is incorrect for supposedly being a UK remitted cheque (se pics in my other post above), albeit the check numbers of the two checks depicted are still identical regardless the placement.

After I cook dinner, I'll post my proof on how LeoCoin is a Russian concern and not UK-based. Yes, I've been working on this case since prior to my last post above. Don't believe me? Feel how stiff my pee-pee is for proof.  Shocked Shocked Shocked
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As promised, Leo's Russian connection that's 98.6% confirmed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YkyZrCIWGw

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Shit, so many sites I didn't know where to start, so I threw a dart, whereupon leocoin.com won. I prayed to Jehovah for a connection on my first attempt. Jehovah must be pleased with me of late in spite of me pouring my seeds into a sock[puppet] onto the ground oppose to into the belly of a ho because ...

http://web.archive.org/web/20150801225939/http://leocoin.com/



http://web.archive.org/web/20061211193232/http://www.leadermt.ru/



At 56 going on 57, my eyesight is sub-par, thus if anybody sees a lion on the archived page (above) or on their current website site - https://leadermt.ru/ - kindly change my assessment from 98.6% to 100% that LeoCoin was orginally, and most likely still a Russian concern. Further, note the two prominent language choices: Russian and British English.

Fuck the Lion! <this is a Google search link>

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http://www.cnbc.com/2015/03/25/bitcoin-gets-a-rival-how-will-it-fare.html

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Similar to the more established bitcoin, it has already promoted the product to its current client base. The company therefore claims it has 131,176 registered businesses ready to use LEOCoin, potentially making it the "second largest digital currency" in the world. Its own exchange LEOxChange will kick into life on April 2 but the coin will also be recognized by existing exchanges.

https://www.facebook.com/pg/leaderpsystem/about/?entry_point=page_nav_about_item&ref=page_internal

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International latezhnaya system "LEADER" - is:

- Experience in the provision of financial services since 2003
- Reliability, confirming the status of socially and nationally important payment system
- over 20 000 offices of partner banks and self-service in Russia, CIS countries, Ukraine and Georgia
- More than 130 000 service points throughout the world
- Immediate implementation of all financial transactions
- Patented developments in the implementation of transactions and the protection of information
- Money Transfers in 130 countries and payment services to more than 5000 service providers

You now know where that 131,176 figure stems from.

http://www.dan-andersson.net/

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Dan Andersson Scam Accusations Are Baseless

If you are one of those people that love “making money from home opportunities”, then you have probably read online about the Dan Andersson scam with Sitetalk/Unaico, where the company supposedly bilked millions of dollars from people in multiple countries. Sitetalk operated under Unaico, which is a company that Dan Andersson was the former president of, but he certainly did not have a part in wrongfully taking people’s money.

DAN ANDERSSON IS CREDIBLE & SUCCESSFUL

On the contrary to the rumors that have been circulating, Dan Andersson is an upstanding businessman that seeks to educate people on how to succeed as entrepreneurs and his new company LEO that he is co-owner of offers a range of products and services to people in multiple countries around the world. With thousands of satisfied client’s to LEO’s credit, it is pretty certain that a scam never existed. Dan has also led numerous fortune 500 companies, and his credibility is intact with large and small-time investors on a global scale. The accusations of the Dan Andersson scam are baseless.



https://www.aihitdata.com/company/0185262D/MINDFUL-NUTRITION-LTD/history#main

https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/bitstamp

Both the above use the same address: 5 JUPITER HOUSE CALLEVA PARK ALDERMASTON READING BERKSHIRE UNITED KINGDOM RG7 8NN

The former by David Bosley's MINDFUL NUTRITION LTD, with David seen here - https://branded.me/tor-anders-petteroe - and here - http://web.archive.org/web/20121110043121/http://www.welcometoleo.com/David.aspx
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Gleb, 'Nik, just to let you know that there is an audience of devout LEOtards in this thread you can ask for clarification on any of these points from.

I'm sure they'd love to help explain how your findings are wrong or 'misinterpreted'. When they're not too busy posting multiple poorly-worded desperate-hype promises of 'something big' about to happen to to this project so buybuybuybuybuy! User Cryptotraider16 has a long post history of routinely posting 'inside' info about various 'imminent' major events which will cause the coin to moon!!!!1!!1!!!!111 and SOON!!!1!1!1!!!

He isn't just limited to bag-holding pump attempts on LEOcoin, either. Check out this blatant lie from the CRBIT shitcoin thread:

Soon but real soon all who hold will be happy and all who sale will buy back!!!!
I talk with big forex group that willstart to invest in crbit! They say hey will easy get 2 milion € in next 2-3 months!!!
If they invest only 1 milion i am sure there will be a lot more buy support too! But dumpers will be always here! Buy this coin will rise!!!

Dont listen too much negative peoples!
I am sure if any bug fined in crbit wallets,etc mmitech will fixed it as always!!

Creditbit have good future!!!!

From that point on he keeps claiming this 'forex group' is just about to by millions of dollars worth of CRBIT!

What with him and his multiple sock-puppet accounts in the LEOtard thread perpetually posting poorly-worded pump-talk and LEOcoin Foundation shill "Roel N. de Leeuw B.ec" they alternate between unintelligible wild speculation masquerading as 'inside info' and great big wall-o-text replies desperately trying to excuse either the scamminess of the coin or the MLM/Pyramid behind it.


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Yeah i stopped negging his puppet accounts because he was making them & faster than i could neg them  Cheesy

This right here people is suit & tie traditional rich people CORPORATE scammers right here with us in Crypto.
These are the very people we were trying to get away from with Crypto no ?

When i did 1 quick Google "Image" search for LEOcoin i almost fell out of my chair  Cheesy  Shocked
Like where do you start with it all ?

The audacity of this crew is astounding.

@Gleb
Don't forget to check out their ANN page where it says things like they have close to 50k users on their new exchange with 4 trade pairs LOL
(Link further down my comment)

And yeah i see the Russian connection and that is not looking good and yes i seen the lion quick too Wink

I actually did consider PM'ing you to check out this coin for shits & giggles..
But i figured you would notice it pretty quick regardless.
What got my attention was some obnoxious advertising topics / comments posted by the shill mentioned earlier.
His last topic was basically saying "Apple approved LEOcoin" ..on the LEOcoin info app.
No you do not have to buy the actual LEOcoin phone though (LFON4) to use it  Grin

I hear from the other guys it was a MintCoin Clone.. based on the re-posted and NOW self modded ANN
you can see they modded the coin for POS.. and they had a colossal premine which i bet they were happy staking LOL

Anyway i got interested after i noticed the Shill was getting REALLY carried away spamming all the forum a copy & paste paragraph of Apple spam etc
Then i started seeing his giant pile of puppet accounts and i reported one of his topics and it was deleted by mprep.

Anyway Dan is from Russia maybe ? Or has he employee's etc that are based there maybe ?
I see this revolves around getting others lured in and doing the work..
I envisioned these guys hearing about "Bitcon" then skulking around here PM'ing people on who to hire to make a coin for them.. probably one of the existing crews we know here well.

So better buy up moar cheap coins nom nom nom after all this is the most ANON coin ever made they claimed  Cheesy

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The ANN said it was listed as #15 on CoinMarketCap..
When i looked it was actually at 14 ranking since a few of these topics like this have been posted it slipped to 17 the other day..
http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/views/market-cap-by-total-supply/
Taken from LEO ANN = https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1545712.0

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Gleb and the OP etc good job guys and it's been amusing so far LOL

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The ANN said it was listed as #15 on CoinMarketCap..
When i looked it was actually at 14 ranking since a few of these topics like this have been posted it slipped to 17 the other day..
http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/views/market-cap-by-total-supply/
Taken from LEO ANN = https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1545712.0

Hey, don't FUD, the only reason you don't see LEOcoin listed properly on the CMC main page is. . . conspiracy of jealousy:
Guys...dont think cmc will ever move ? from there since CMC owned by bitstamp guys and they hate LEOcoin and LEO so do not expect the will move it,they know that if they money it LEOcoin price can go up and come real close to ripple they made and so on...
also CMC guy did say he will move ? from mined leocoin ,so no pre mine 50milion as he say premine not distrubuted etc..but now even this not happy at all and CMC owner ignore all about LEOcoin.

Guys there is few other coin market sites so there we all can see everything..

Its real bad and not a good karma they not want to move it since its only good for cryptocurreny since all marketcap worth only 10 bilion!
I think its better for crypto that together market cap go up..not only BTC,etc,riple,etc first 5 coins..Wink

As i say also before...CMC guy asking for 3rd part explorer and he will move,i did organize 2 new 2rd parts,he add into his site and nothing,then he ask for rich list they did and again nothing..last time he ask for 50milion premine distribution explain. LEOcoin fontation make it and post public as CMC guy ask..and again nothing,he keep ignore mails...

now we all see where is the problem..Wink  somebody is real real jelause and scare of succes of LEOcoin that coming! Wink what goes around comes around Wink

P.S. CMC listing market-cap-by-total-supply (where something called 'wexcoin' is number 2 behind btc!) showing LEOcoin is 17, is not the same as the default landing-page CMC listing market-cap-by-available-supply (That 'wexcoin' is actually 270 in the list) where LEOcoin is 579.

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ahhh good catch on that CMC stuff i did not pick up on that.

When Gleb gets bored i fear for these guys LOL

Did you check out the LEO cell phone ? (Google Image search = LFON4)
You can go to the Leotower and sit at the Leocafe and play with the Leo-INFO-Only-app and then trade on the Leoexchange your valuable badly premined unaccounted for scam coins LOL

Remember when i pointed out earlier how the ANN says they premined 50 for the foundation ?
And how it says lower down the 1st comment the LEO Foundation possesses 10 ?
Hmm where did they put the other 40 million coins ?

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•   Maximum number of LEOcoins: 1 Billion LEO
•   Premined LEO Company Stock: 50 Million LEO (5%)

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The LEOcoin Foundation is a non-profit organization that is dedicated to the development of LEOcoin. The mission of the LEOcoin Foundation is to promote the use of LEOcoin and other legitimate digital currencies. Currently the LEOcoin Foundation holds 10 million LEOcoin.

I guess the ANON coin is not fond of accountability.

I wonder how many coins they got from staking so far.
Probably enough to pay those 20 coin bounties i bet LOL

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November 02, 2016, 11:51:39 AM
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Geez,

Didn't knew this deserves investigation to prove its a scam. LEO and OneCoin has 1 thing in common: they are both BS.

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I don't have any personal angst with LeoCoin though someone in Facebook invited me to the business behind the coin. However, I find the joining fee to be exorbitant in relation to the number of coins they are giving as part of the package. So i decided no.

Someone told me last month to avoid joining any MLM business promoting cryptocurrency or a cryptocurrency marketed the MLM way. And I think he can be correct.
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Geez,

Didn't knew this deserves investigation to prove its a scam. LEO and OneCoin has 1 thing in common: they are both BS.

They have a little more than that in common.

If we go back to this

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Dan Andersson Scam Accusations Are Baseless

If you are one of those people that love “making money from home opportunities”, then you have probably read online about the Dan Andersson scam with Sitetalk/Unaico, where the company supposedly bilked millions of dollars from people in multiple countries. Sitetalk operated under Unaico, which is a company that Dan Andersson was the former president of, but he certainly did not have a part in wrongfully taking people’s money.

and the Unaico scam, Andersson basically did the "It wasn't me, it was those other boys!", pointing in the direction of a certain Sebastian Greenwood, one of the most loathsome MLMer's about (and that's saying something).
Greenwood went on from Unaico to hook up with The CryptoQueen in the abortive Bigcoin saga, before getting Onecoin up and running (and screwing Ignatova).

Obviously Andersson and Greenwood decided, probably thru chatting on SitetalkR, that inventing some shitcoin and then promoting the fuck out of it to Joe Public thru an MLM program was the way to go.
So Greenwood ends up in Onecoin, and Andersson in Leocoin. Both pretending to "educate" in exchange for money, but really offering untold riches, yours for the taking if you just buy the fucking coins.
(And to tidy up the loose ends, Onecoin have just bought out Sitetalk's affiliate list.)

Other similarities between Onecoin and Leocoin?
The illusion that they are constructing some sort of all inclusive "ecosystem" for their victims "family" of investors, taking care of all their needs





is something they both push very heavily, because that's one of the central tenets of MLM sucker retention, to make it a Faith/Fear situation. Turn it into a Cult.



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As far as I know, OneCoin was a Dr. Ruzha Ignatova's freak (I forgot what kind of a Doctor she was), but (as they say) she's not longer involved in it. There were a lot of articles full of red flags even in the Bulgarian press.

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As far as I know, OneCoin was a Dr. Ruzha Ignatova's freak (I forgot what kind of a Doctor she was), but (as they say) she's not longer involved in it. There were a lot of articles full of red flags even in the Bulgarian press.

Not to stray off topic, but Onecoin claim 2.6 million "investors" at the moment, most of whom are having great difficulty getting any money out as Onecoin's bank account has been shut for the twentieth time, as soon as the new bank realizes what's going on.

Ignatova has handed the CEOship of the MLM operation Onelife to hasbeen Pablo Munoz of destroy-the-value-of-Avon-in-eighteen-months fame, but she still runs Onecoin, presenting their new blockchain and doubling everyone's money at the beginning of October.

She is reported to have dropped a baby recently, which rumormongering Haterzz say is

A) A Damien type love child of Ignatova and cokehead Greenwood, conceived during the frequent down time in 5* Hotels in between their Rock concert/Scientology affiliate Extravanganzas. Ruja's German lawyer husband doesn't care because he's gay and only married her for the Mafia money.
B) born to a surrogate mother, possibly in Brazil, in an attempt to make Ruja's extradition more difficult when the shit hits the fan.

Andersson doesn't seem to lead such a colorful life and his Leocoin is finding market positioning difficult, with MLM stars all punting the hell out of Onecoin. At least you can trade Leo on Livecoin and C-CEX I guess, should you feel the need.


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I wrote you something.

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As far as I know, OneCoin was a Dr. Ruzha Ignatova's freak (I forgot what kind of a Doctor she was), but (as they say) she's not longer involved in it. There were a lot of articles full of red flags even in the Bulgarian press.

Not to stray off topic, but Onecoin claim 2.6 million "investors" at the moment, most of whom are having great difficulty getting any money out as Onecoin's bank account has been shut for the twentieth time, as soon as the new bank realizes what's going on.

Ignatova has handed the CEOship of the MLM operation Onelife to hasbeen Pablo Munoz of destroy-the-value-of-Avon-in-eighteen-months fame, but she still runs Onecoin, presenting their new blockchain and doubling everyone's money at the beginning of October.

She is reported to have dropped a baby recently, which rumormongering Haterzz say is

A) A Damien type love child of Ignatova and cokehead Greenwood, conceived during the frequent down time in 5* Hotels in between their Rock concert/Scientology affiliate Extravanganzas. Ruja's German lawyer husband doesn't care because he's gay and only married her for the Mafia money.
B) born to a surrogate mother, possibly in Brazil, in an attempt to make Ruja's extradition more difficult when the shit hits the fan.

Andersson doesn't seem to lead such a colorful life and his Leocoin is finding market positioning difficult, with MLM stars all punting the hell out of Onecoin. At least you can trade Leo on Livecoin and C-CEX I guess, should you feel the need.



Your writing style reminds me of https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=41159.

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He's celebrating four years of lurking by the look of it.

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I seen their lead shill and ANN leader touting they have 200,000 users of LEOcoin.
If that was actually true ? Hell i'd buy me some LEO's  Cheesy

On the ANN also i seen they claimed the LEOexchange has almost 50,000 users with 4 trade pairs.

Another claim that if true i will eat my own shoe and buy bridges for every body..
LEObridges that is.. i hear that is their next stunt LOL

I have Google searched Multi Level Marketing schemes and seen them hit in the late 80's big.
The old Water Filter scam is famous for example.
I have often said i see a lot of parallels in Crypto shit coin schemes as i do with them..
For example go on Google and read the testimonials from people who were in them like i did.
You will hear about their pressure tactics etc and the warped effect it has on people.
They know things are not right but are trapped and compelled to sucker in more people.
I guess in the hopes of not going broke themselves..

They are not far from simply cults with a lot of the tactics they use.
Good people can get trapped up in that shit too so NOOBS watch your ass.

If it's too good to be true.. it's probably an Altcoin claim !

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Jesus Fucking Henry Christ, does this shill ever stop with his incessant bullshit about how 'something big' is just around the corner?


Dear gobbi, trust me,real soon something big will happen..few projects coming..all will be ok...now all who buy are happy,you will see..for all LEOcoin holders this new year 2017 will be great year!
we all can be happy who hold and stake leocoin...


Give us a small clue.?  Smiley


I am sure LEOcoin foundation will be able to tell some but i know few they dont know jet 👍🏼
I can say i am happy!

Come on; sure you can share just a tiny idea so you can make everyone happy! We all need positive news and no more vague promises.


I can say i am real happy cant wait! I just hope to get some more $ in next days to get more cheap LEOcoin!

I see that on www.livecoin.net right now 26-27k LEOcojn cost approx 150k $!!!! Wtf🙈

He is basically a scammer with this repeated tactic, desperately trying to fool noobs.


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Jesus Fucking Henry Christ, does this shill ever stop with his incessant bullshit about how 'something big' is just around the corner?


Dear gobbi, trust me,real soon something big will happen..few projects coming..all will be ok...now all who buy are happy,you will see..for all LEOcoin holders this new year 2017 will be great year!
we all can be happy who hold and stake leocoin...


Give us a small clue.?  Smiley


I am sure LEOcoin foundation will be able to tell some but i know few they dont know jet 👍🏼
I can say i am happy!

Come on; sure you can share just a tiny idea so you can make everyone happy! We all need positive news and no more vague promises.


I can say i am real happy cant wait! I just hope to get some more $ in next days to get more cheap LEOcoin!

I see that on www.livecoin.net right now 26-27k LEOcojn cost approx 150k $!!!! Wtf🙈

He is basically a scammer with this repeated tactic, desperately trying to fool noobs.



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I don't have any moneys at risk in Acme Condoms, but I swear that they're the best, hence advising you all to use and invest in Acme Condoms, and spread your wonderful experience like I have so to pump their stock to the moon.

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I traIded the shit out of it and I made $5 billion in 6 days...

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I traIded the shit out of it and I made $5 billion in 6 days...

Is that you, Leroy Fodor, and if so, was that your 381st successful consecutive Forex trade?
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Hmm i had a hunch but your picture Gleb Gamow i think proves it.
I was thinking for a while i was on a separate trust level and my ratings don't work.
I have not looked into it for a year or two now but i negged that shill and the main Leocoin guy from the ANN
And when i see his trust rating i see..

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But in your picture earlier i see..
Trust: -2: -1 / +0

I guess theymos and his buddie's the Monero crew and VOD etc had me downgraded.
So.. i guess there is no point in me ever negging anyone etc it won't be viewed by people.

Kind of sleazy senseless bullshit from forum staff if that is the case (i need to look into it)
I don't see what i have done to deserve being downgraded or what ever.. nor was i notified if this did happen.

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Hmm i had a hunch but your picture Gleb Gamow i think proves it.
I was thinking for a while i was on a separate trust level and my ratings don't work.
I have not looked into it for a year or two now but i negged that shill and the main Leocoin guy from the ANN
And when i see his trust rating i see..

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But in your picture earlier i see..
Trust: -2: -1 / +0

I guess theymos and his buddie's the Monero crew and VOD etc had me downgraded.
So.. i guess there is no point in me ever negging anyone etc it won't be viewed by people.

Kind of sleazy senseless bullshit from forum staff if that is the case (i need to look into it)
I don't see what i have done to deserve being downgraded or what ever.. nor was i notified if this did happen.

Hey, maybe you can get paraipan (1) to give you some positive trust. He's at level two. He's also dead. Here's to hoping that he's not voting Democrat in Chicago come Tuesday.
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November 06, 2016, 11:24:00 AM
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I started a topic on my trust rating in the reputation section.
I plan on putting a link to tit in my SIG to refer people to an explanation.
I tried to look into that crap long ago and was mouthed off at told unanimously "i deserve it" regardless of what i did.

yeah.. fair.. one hell of a trust system we have here  Cheesy

I bring that up in relation to the topic.
I tried to give a negative rating tot he Shill and the ANN topic starter.
But my ratings have no effect (i guess i forgot)

I am guessing that is simply because i have a negative rating.

Side Rant:

You know guys i tried to get you all to give BigVern a negative rating and nobody would.
Then you see all these scammers like the guy s from LEOcoin run around lying & spamming etc
and no one will lift a finger to neg them.. but they sure as hell will when it comes to me..
..because i "deserve it"

So.. i am saying if you feel a negative rating is deserved as per the guidelines her then by all means neg these bastards people !
It's like pulling teeth trying to get people to post a rating sometimes.

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November 06, 2016, 04:41:16 PM
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I traIded the shit out of it and I made $5 billion in 6 days...

Is that you, Leroy Fodor, and if so, was that your 381st successful consecutive Forex trade?

No, I'm a Bernie Madoff's cousin.

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Would be interesting to see a clear picture of their entire scheme.
I posted a link from 2014 some guy did investigating the MLM scam back then.
But it didn't mention anything about a currency..
I'd like to see how it ties in fully and how central of a point it is.

Like guys.. they have that shady shill wandering around this forum telling people that LEOcoin has 200,000 of it's members "using" LEOcoin.

With 45,000 roughly registered on their exchange (LEOexchange)
Yet if you see any of them talking about what exchange to use LEO on they say some other one.

And what happened to the 40 million coins premined for the foundation ? (out of 50 million)
And are they being staked the last 2 years ?
It says on the ANN the foundation "holds" 10 million.. but that they premined 5% (50 million) for the foundation at launch.
Was the 50 million even checked & verified by anyone ever ?
Anyone bother to look ?

Like jeezuz fucking tap dancing christ people.. imagine having 50 million coins staking for 2+ years then handing out 20 coins for bounty work per worker.  Cheesy

Reminds me of Ethereum and their ICO plus premine and self payments to their "Foundation" and their big list of CEO's CTFO's etc.

But i guess if ETH does it it's fine because you know.. you guys can make money of it ..so ETH is legit dammit ! Cheesy

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It's getting fucking tedious to see their claims that they are endorsed by the "British Government"

These wankers just hired this venue and held a conference there and now apparently, they're fucking cronies with Boris Johnson and others.

http://www.parliament.uk/visiting/venue-hire/

Let's not forget that the muppets behind the scam have already been investigated for fradulent activity in the past

"In 2012, Anderson and Kamran were warned by the Securities & Exchange Commission in Pakistan (SECP), regarding a potential pyramid scheme (UNAICO Pakistan) the duo was operating in the country."

http://www.coinbuzz.com/2015/04/04/leocoin-founders-linked-to-pyramid-scheme-in-pakistan/


http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-alternative-leocoin-pyramid/

http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/blog/2012/05/05/nab-starts-probe-into-unaico-ponzy-scheme/
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Quote from: Bitcoin Forum
A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by the starter of a self-moderated topic. There are no rules of self-moderation, so this deletion cannot be appealed. Do not continue posting in this topic if the topic-starter has requested that you leave.

You can create a new topic if you are unsatisfied with this one. If the topic-starter is scamming, post about it in Scam Accusations.

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The National Accountability Bureau (NAB) Rawalpindi has initiated an inquiry against UNAICO Pakistan Pvt Ltd on a report by the State Bank of Pakistan (SBP) regarding the alleged suspicious transactions (STR) in the accounts of the company.
Initial verification of relevant record has revealed that the company, registered with the SECP, was allegedly involved in the illegal business of MLM (multi-level marketing) by enticing the general public for investments.
The company was running a ponzy scheme.
Earlier, the SECP had issued a public warning through the national dailies requesting the general public to refrain from investing in UNAICO or involving in any transaction with the same.
The warning had clearly notified the general public that the company’s business was illegal and not authorised by the SECP. NAB Rawalpindi has started a full-fledged inquiry and in the initial phase has frozen all bank accounts of the company and its director, Atif Kamran.
There are three bank accounts in the name of the company and relevant banks have been advised not to entertain any transaction in the said accounts till further orders. The NAB has placed Kamran’s name on the ECL. NAB Rawalpindi is in the process of contacting all members/investors of the company to approach.
The NAB Rawalpindi has to verify their claims and record their statements for legal action against M/s UNICO Pakistan Limited RPPs Case. NAB is in the process of reconciliation based on the available material collected/recorded during examination of the accused persons alleged in the case and hoped to finalise its inquiry within a week. During the process, NAB may call the accused persons already heard for further grilling if need be. The bureau has received commitments from various RPPs to return the defrauded amount in the days to come.



Atif Kamran with Mr Anderrsoon


Now this is not trolling is it?

It is a fact and it happened.

So let's see if it gets deleted......

ps: you guys were even on yahoo finance: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/bitcoin-alternative-pyramid-scheme-storm-125726660.html
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Quote from: Bitcoin Forum
A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by the starter of a self-moderated topic....

Lol, what a surprise.
S.O.P. in the MLM world, "Oh no, it didn't really happen like that last time I was caught neck deep in a scam, it's all hater lies."  Roll Eyes

The tiresome low quality shilling of the shitcoin continues all over the forum.
Another completely fake "news" item thread prompted me to waste 5 minutes of my life and watch a YT vid of some NLP headcase indoctrinating the troops.


Excellent example of Leo buLLshit, iLLiterate copypasting of pseudo spiritual shit by some kiddie shiLL.

This is what this shitcoin is all about, kiddie shills and fat guys in suits making cult hand signs, wearing cult badges before a NLP indoctrination session



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they're making the well known hand sign for LOSERS.

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That is some pretty major news WOW !
Good to see authorities are cracking down on crap like this.
I hope to see another update posted eventually.. when they are behind bars.

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It's very interesting to see you guys dig out so much "evidence" that Leocoin is a scam and yet no police anywhere in the world reacts to your claims plus the volume of trade is rising...few days ago 111k$...

Seems to me your claims are false and that you're investing all this time in this topic out of interest and not good will...

Stats and facts give you the true picture not your wild claims and endless posts with some pictures that prove actually nothing...since the trade volume is rising...
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Leocoin has nothing innovative in their system. Their idea of "digital cash" is essentially a bitcoin clone or an altcoin clone. Whatever it is it isn't anything new to the cryptocurrency community and definitely a waste of everyone's time.

They also claim that they have connections with a few prime ministers and senators in different countries, and they've held many meetings. I like how they photograph an almost empty room with just an air con in it when there is world class leaders in that room ;P
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pseudo-anonymous nature of the vast majority of digital currencies

Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies are pseudonymous, not pseudo-anonymous.  Know-nothing forum posters started expanding the word "pseudonymous" into "pseudo-anonymous" last year without understanding what they were doing.

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pseudo-anonymous nature of the vast majority of digital currencies

Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies are pseudonymous, not pseudo-anonymous.  Know-nothing forum posters started expanding the word "pseudonymous" into "pseudo-anonymous" last year without understanding what they were doing.

Really, you're attempting to claim that the term, "pseudo-anonymous" only came into use last year? How about last millennium, dumb-ass (or dumbass) Either term can be used to describe the nature of bitcoin and either term is acceptable in common parlance. Were you high or just stupid when you posted that?


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pseudo-anonymous nature of the vast majority of digital currencies

Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies are pseudonymous, not pseudo-anonymous.  ...


They actually mean the same thing and you can use either terms as they mean the same thing - masked or disguised identity; in crypto world, you're only identified by the wallet address, transaction ID, or hash assigned to your transaction and not identified by your real name. That's pseudo-anonymous or pseudonymous  Wink

chill, mates  Smiley
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... Leocoin is a scam and yet no police anywhere in the world reacts to your claims

Not true. Check the comment from https://www.facebook.com/traineratifkamran/?fref=ts

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Dear LEO Support; There is a big problem created by Govt. of Azad Kashmir Pakistan. Police was sealed our office in Pallandri Azad Kashmir. We have a big LEO team in Pallandri. But this matter create a huge disturbance. Our Leo team is very disturb. Govt said that this is a illegal company. It is a money londring company. They blame us that we are working with a company that is not registered in any department of pakistan. Please solve the matter immediately. We will very thankful to you.

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 We have a big LEO team in Pallandri... Govt said that this is a illegal company. It is a money londring company.


The Brave New World of Cryptocurrency



Do they have a "Bullshit Crypto Scam of the Year" category then?


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I have just heard that Dan Andersson has been arrested by NAB in Pakistan for his UNAICO scam. I bet the police want to speak to Mihir Magudia who is a front man for Dan – he won’t be going to Pakistan any time soon. Dan is on Exit Control List of Pakistan and can not leave the country until he pays back all the money he has stolen from people of Pakistan. This is the reason he did not attend the event in Turkey last week.

Shame that people were ever conned by such an obvious scammer. Now this company is dead, wonder what new scam these crooks will come up with.

How do I get my money back from scammer Dan Andersson.
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So the shit heads are in deep trouble.

Dan Anderson who is the main guy behind this scam has been arrested in Pakistan and now applying for bail. Check out the link below.

https://behindmlm.com/companies/leo-ceo-dan-andersson-arrested-in-pakistan/
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So the shit heads are in deep trouble.

Dan Anderson who is the main guy behind this scam has been arrested in Pakistan and now applying for bail. Check out the link below.

https://behindmlm.com/companies/leo-ceo-dan-andersson-arrested-in-pakistan/

My post on the self modded Leo thread giving details of the court case's progress was, of course, deleted.
The likely current scenario is that Andersson is in Pakistan, prevented from leaving by inclusion on the Exit Control List until whatever investigation (LEO or/and UNAICO based) is complete, but still at large and with internet access, hence his ability to post webinars but not appear at world events.

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Dear Leocoin Foundation,

is the Foundation's Chairman Dan Andersson doing fine ?
Leocoin holders that I know are starting to worry because he has not been seen at any Leocoin-related event within the last three months.

Some say he might be ill, others say he is already retired.

Best wishes


I read that he was enjoying an extended holiday in Pakistan



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So the shit heads are in deep trouble.

Dan Anderson who is the main guy behind this scam has been arrested in Pakistan and now applying for bail. Check out the link below.

https://behindmlm.com/companies/leo-ceo-dan-andersson-arrested-in-pakistan/

My post on the self modded Leo thread giving details of the court case's progress was, of course, deleted.
The likely current scenario is that Andersson is in Pakistan, prevented from leaving by inclusion on the Exit Control List until whatever investigation (LEO or/and UNAICO based) is complete, but still at large and with internet access, hence his ability to post webinars but not appear at world events.

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Dear Leocoin Foundation,

is the Foundation's Chairman Dan Andersson doing fine ?
Leocoin holders that I know are starting to worry because he has not been seen at any Leocoin-related event within the last three months.

Some say he might be ill, others say he is already retired.

Best wishes


I read that he was enjoying an extended holiday in Pakistan



It is unlikely to be anyone else with those middle names


https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/officers/tjiXls1nofAfjWt7ZfjYcjH0QAE/appointments

It will be related to this:


https://web.archive.org/web/20120309091409/https://www.secp.gov.pk/Publicwarnings/activitiesUnaicoPublicWarning-July.jpg



From 2012:

http://sitetalk-itel.blogspot.com/2012/07/troubles-in-pakistan-and-identity.html

Case 1632 is the latest.
http://mis.ihc.gov.pk/frmCseSrch.aspx





It appears he is trying to get his name removed from the exit control list (ECL)

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My post on the self modded Leo thread giving details of the court case's progress was, of course, deleted.
My usual response to this is to add another negative trust rating to him with a link to the relevant evidence post in this thread and hope that it might at least serve to warn some users. But as trust is not displayed on non-member forum views it's important that this thread and other LEOcoin articles on sites like behindmlm.com appear fairly high up in search-engine rankings.  Roel N. de Leeuw who controls the LEOcoin Foundation forum account is just as guilty in this conspiracy to defraud as the criminals at the top who are being pursued by various government agencies around the globe. His wholly dishonest approach to removing posted evidence of wrongdoing and misrepresentation by the scammers he supports, in some desperate hold-out over the last few years for some kind of epic Moon to occur so he can cash out his bags for Lambos, is despicable.
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It is so hearth-warming to see how you are so concerned with regard to Mr. Andersson's health.

I am in regular contact with our chairman and he is doing fine and continues to be involved with LEOcoin.

How interesting and spicy the lives of some of us might be, I suggest, that we concentrate on LEOcoin the currency and the ongoing development to join the Ethereum network.


This operation targets naive and desperate gullible people from impoverished societies and drains them of their cash in return for dreams of riches, all the while this scheme lurches from one bolt-hole, physically and virtually, to the next as it desperately attempts to postpone the inevitable outcome of all pyramid-style schemes.





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My post on the self modded Leo thread giving details of the court case's progress was, of course, deleted.
My usual response to this is to add another negative trust rating to him with a link to the relevant evidence post in this thread and hope that it might at least serve to warn some users. But as trust is not displayed on non-member forum views it's important that this thread and other LEOcoin articles on sites like behindmlm.com appear fairly high up in search-engine rankings.  Roel N. de Leeuw who controls the LEOcoin Foundation forum account is just as guilty in this conspiracy to defraud as the criminals at the top who are being pursued by various government agencies around the globe. His wholly dishonest approach to removing posted evidence of wrongdoing and misrepresentation by the scammers he supports, in some desperate hold-out over the last few years for some kind of epic Moon to occur so he can cash out his bags for Lambos, is despicable.
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It is so hearth-warming to see how you are so concerned with regard to Mr. Andersson's health.

I am in regular contact with our chairman and he is doing fine and continues to be involved with LEOcoin.

How interesting and spicy the lives of some of us might be, I suggest, that we concentrate on LEOcoin the currency and the ongoing development to join the Ethereum network.


This operation targets naive and desperate gullible people from impoverished societies and drains them of their cash in return for dreams of riches, all the while this scheme lurches from one bolt-hole, physically and virtually, to the next as it desperately attempts to postpone the inevitable outcome of all pyramid-style schemes.

@cryptodevil

It is evident from the internet documents that the person stated on these documents is involved in a court case in Pakistan, regarding some topic I do not know details about. As he can work from there and the work on LEOcoin is not delayed, it is - for now - not relevant why he is there. When it becomes relevant, I will take my own actions - count on that.

You speak, that I would be part in some conspiracy, but from the start have yourself held this premise towards me and likewise attacked me. You - not very sportively - gave me bad ratings - even when I am not offering coins for sale - but simply, because you seem to have an issue. As your accusations towards me are not true, I take your statements for granted - you are free to post whatever you like. I am not some kind of self-acclaimed police and if it at the end turns out that you were right all along, I will apologize to you, but for now, I only can shake my head. And with regard to me having acces to the delete button, you are correct. In the forum thread, I did state, that trolling would be deleted. And it is.

Normally I would not respond to your slander, but as you like to get personal I write you back openly. I stand for who I am and what I do support. I write on this forum and not as a PR, because your lot, does not respect privacy and will publish my PR here anyway - and of course, anonymous ...

Maybe you are just such a sorry bitter person because you are not rich - or maybe, like Don Quijote de la Mancha, you like to chase windmills, but anyway, what is left to say? You have your opinion and I have mine. As I have more insight in LEOcoin and even LEO Ltd. as you have, I simply disagree with you. And, of course, for the sake of LEOcoin holders, I do hope you are wrong.

Regards - Roel


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It is evident from the internet documents that the person stated on these documents is involved in a court case in Pakistan, regarding some topic I do not know details about. As he can work from there and the work on LEOcoin is not delayed, it is - for now - not relevant why he is there. When it becomes relevant, I will take my own actions - count on that.

You speak, that I would be part in some conspiracy, but from the start have yourself held this premise towards me and likewise attacked me. You - not very sportively - gave me bad ratings - even when I am not offering coins for sale - but simply, because you seem to have an issue. As your accusations towards me are not true, I take your statements for granted - you are free to post whatever you like. I am not some kind of self-acclaimed police and if it at the end turns out that you were right all along, I will apologize to you, but for now, I only can shake my head. And with regard to me having acces to the delete button, you are correct. In the forum thread, I did state, that trolling would be deleted. And it is.

Normally I would not respond to your slander, but as you like to get personal I write you back openly. I stand for who I am and what I do support. I write on this forum and not as a PR, because your lot, does not respect privacy and will publish my PR here anyway - and of course, anonymous ...

Maybe you are just such a sorry bitter person because you are not rich - or maybe, like Don Quijote de la Mancha, you like to chase windmills, but anyway, what is left to say? You have your opinion and I have mine. As I have more insight in LEOcoin and even LEO Ltd. as you have, I simply disagree with you. And, of course, for the sake of LEOcoin holders, I do hope you are wrong.

Regards - Roel



I don't want your apology, I want your honesty. But you have spent the last few years demonstrating your utter lack of such.

Evidence being posted in your thread is not trolling, it is the provision of factual and highly relevant information concerning this coin and those associated with it.

You know this, I know this, everybody in this thread knows this. But you are too intellectually dishonest to accept it and prefer instead to post lengthy meandering missives attempting to justify why you must, yet again, delete highly relevant facts from your thread because, put simply, you can't rebut them and they are likely to lead to people losing faith in the integrity of the LEOcoin operation.

You are shameless.




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@cryptodevil

It is evident from the internet documents that the person stated on these documents is involved in a court case in Pakistan, regarding some topic I do not know details about. As he can work from there and the work on LEOcoin is not delayed, it is - for now - not relevant why he is there. When it becomes relevant, I will take my own actions - count on that.

You speak, that I would be part in some conspiracy, but from the start have yourself held this premise towards me and likewise attacked me. You - not very sportively - gave me bad ratings - even when I am not offering coins for sale - but simply, because you seem to have an issue. As your accusations towards me are not true, I take your statements for granted - you are free to post whatever you like. I am not some kind of self-acclaimed police and if it at the end turns out that you were right all along, I will apologize to you, but for now, I only can shake my head. And with regard to me having acces to the delete button, you are correct. In the forum thread, I did state, that trolling would be deleted. And it is.

Normally I would not respond to your slander, but as you like to get personal I write you back openly. I stand for who I am and what I do support. I write on this forum and not as a PR, because your lot, does not respect privacy and will publish my PR here anyway - and of course, anonymous ...

Maybe you are just such a sorry bitter person because you are not rich - or maybe, like Don Quijote de la Mancha, you like to chase windmills, but anyway, what is left to say? You have your opinion and I have mine. As I have more insight in LEOcoin and even LEO Ltd. as you have, I simply disagree with you. And, of course, for the sake of LEOcoin holders, I do hope you are wrong.

Regards - Roel


I don't want your apology, I want your honesty. But you have spent the last few years demonstrating your utter lack of such.

Evidence being posted in your thread is not trolling, it is the provision of factual and highly relevant information concerning this coin and those associated with it.

You know this, I know this, everybody in this thread knows this. But you are too intellectually dishonest to accept it and prefer instead to post lengthy meandering missives attempting to justify why you must, yet again, delete highly relevant facts from your thread because, put simply, you can't rebut them and they are likely to lead to people losing faith in the integrity of the LEOcoin operation.

You are shameless.

Perhaps, cryptodevil, being shameless is an actual virtue of a cryptodevil ...  Grin ... but fun aside ... you have a develish side ... granted.

As I stated above, I do not deny the facts as stated in the documents, so contrary to your false accusations, I - in reality - am 'intellectually honest'. And thus, deleting some post cannot be seen as rebutting these facts. The reason I delete trolling, is because trolls go beyond what is stated in the documents, and that is not presenting facts, but suggestive propaganda (founded on biased conceptions against MLM -  even when LEOcoin has been a genuine crypto coin from the start in 2014 - with a working blockchain, wallets and exchanges and with first PoW and now PoS algos, and not fully premined and centralized like e.g. XRP)

If you would attentively read my earlier reply above, I speak about: a) evident facts from public records; b) me not knowing much details about the subject of the case; and c) my promise to act, when relevant details become available. This shows, that I am not avoiding my epistemological duties at all, but in fact acknowledge that what we do know and have evidence for, but do not wish to speculate on that what we do not know (yet). This is what I regard as intellectual honest; not telling fiction or make up things, when you have no facts.

As with our discussion about anonymity, I also find your conceptions of 'intellectual honesty', 'evidence' and 'relevance' questionable. You are the one, accusing our project for years without a) ever bringing conclusive proof of LEOcoin not being as we claim on our website; b) trying to FUD as while acting as an anonymous self-acclaimed Don Quijotian cop - while I act in the interest of LEOcoin holders. LEOcoin is owned by those people, who have LEOcoin in their wallets and receive stake on one of the few coins, that has a higher price in BTC as at the start of the year.

It is not facts, I do worry about, but I do worry about trolls creating a shit storm based on mere speculation, while we - nor you, nor I - have factual evidence about your claims. LEOcoin holders are not interested in the where-abouts of officials - and most know this already anyway - but they are interesting in stable coin prices, good stake, the expansion of trading pairs connected to the move to the Ethereum chain and knowing that the team is working on such kind of things. From where ever they are at the moment.

You - and your other anonymous troll partners - are MLM-hating, biased one trick ponies, that act like saviors of the poor mankind, while in fact you are mistaking a community owned crypto project for that what it is not and in the process aim to destroy what we together have build up. If you do not like LEOcoin, don't buy them, don't own them, don't stake them. For the rest, I wish you all the best and I hope you get things sorted out in real life.

Remember, I am not selling anything here. And I am also not buying, especially not trolling that only wishes to destroy and harm LEOcoin. And that is the reason, why we had to start a moderated forum in the first place.

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You are the one, accusing our project for years without a) ever bringing conclusive proof of LEOcoin not being as we claim on our website

Again, I refer you to my previous conclusion, you are shameless, utterly fucking shameless...

From the very beginning of this coin's inception it has been guilty of fraudulent misrepresentation
The people shilling for the MLM/Pyramid-Scam-based coin, 'LEOcoin' have claimed since the coin's inception that, unlike the pseudo-anonymous nature of the vast majority of digital currencies, they have developed technology which makes it, "truly anonymous".

Their leocoin.org website, the central point of information on the web for the general public to learn of this coin and its features has long (since 2014 according to LEOcoin Foundation) contained this explicit claim:



They do not simply claim it be anonymous, they specifically claim it to be, "truly anonymous" and, therefore, superior to other coins which are only pseudo-anonymous, like Bitcoin for example. LEOcoin is actually claiming that it offers a feature which even the multi-billion-dollar Bitcoin does not have. It is promoting itself to the general public as offering a function that it simply does not possess.

It is doing this in order to make itself seem more advanced a technology than 'other' coins, like Bitcoin.

It is doing this in order to persuade the general public that it is a worthwhile and valuable investment.

It is committing fraud in doing so.



They explicitly lied about the technology of this coin, they explicitly lied about it being truly anonymous and they did so in order to intentionally mislead potential investors in it.

But I don't expect anything more in objective rebuttal than is evidenced by your last post, namely, your usual rambling non-sequiturs and desperate obfuscation.

Point to note, Roel, a court would view very dimly your perpetual attempts to pretend like you don't know this coin operation is guilty of fraudulent misrepresentation. They would likely find your utter refusal to honestly address the evidence being presented in your thread and repeated deletions of such as being indicative of your willing collusion in a conspiracy to defraud.

Don't believe me? Ask your lawyer.


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You are the one, accusing our project for years without a) ever bringing conclusive proof of LEOcoin not being as we claim on our website

Again, I refer you to my previous conclusion, you are shameless, utterly fucking shameless...

From the very beginning of this coin's inception it has been guilty of fraudulent misrepresentation
The people shilling for the MLM/Pyramid-Scam-based coin, 'LEOcoin' have claimed since the coin's inception that, unlike the pseudo-anonymous nature of the vast majority of digital currencies, they have developed technology which makes it, "truly anonymous".

Their leocoin.org website, the central point of information on the web for the general public to learn of this coin and its features has long (since 2014 according to LEOcoin Foundation) contained this explicit claim:



They do not simply claim it be anonymous, they specifically claim it to be, "truly anonymous" and, therefore, superior to other coins which are only pseudo-anonymous, like Bitcoin for example. LEOcoin is actually claiming that it offers a feature which even the multi-billion-dollar Bitcoin does not have. It is promoting itself to the general public as offering a function that it simply does not possess.

It is doing this in order to make itself seem more advanced a technology than 'other' coins, like Bitcoin.

It is doing this in order to persuade the general public that it is a worthwhile and valuable investment.

It is committing fraud in doing so.



They explicitly lied about the technology of this coin, they explicitly lied about it being truly anonymous and they did so in order to intentionally mislead potential investors in it.

But I don't expect anything more in objective rebuttal than is evidenced by your last post, namely, your usual rambling non-sequiturs and desperate obfuscation.

Point to note, Roel, a court would view very dimly your perpetual attempts to pretend like you don't know this coin operation is guilty of fraudulent misrepresentation. They would likely find your utter refusal to honestly address the evidence being presented in your thread and repeated deletions of such as being indicative of your willing collusion in a conspiracy to defraud.

Don't believe me? Ask your lawyer.


I have not created that website and it was adapted/corrected asap when I pointed this out to our team, so you just over exaggerate .. and no need to use sexually explicit language like fxxxing ... how shameless of you.  Grin
Yet, I know and I accept that you disagree, so lets call it a day. I am sure the readers here have better things to do than to ponder about a coin that is listed at 365th or something place at CMC ...

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it was adapted/corrected asap when I pointed this out to our team, so you just over exaggerate ..

Sure, if you think two or three years qualifies as 'asap'.

 Roll Eyes

But, as I said, your perpetual pretence that you are not fully aware of the fraud perpetrated by this coin operation won't fly in court.


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Read up on this!!  Here are some highlights

LEO Co-Founder whistleblows on LEO CEO Dan Andersson for:
     Financial irregularities
     Missing money
     Overselling LEOcoin
 

Andersson fires him to shut him up

See links below for court findings against Andersson.

Meanwhile, Andersson is detained in Pakistan on ECL without Passport for almost 1 year (on another case where he is accused of running a pyramid).

LEO indicates filing insolvency, see link!!!   

End result - LEOcoin holders get screwed.

LINKS:

https://www.gov.uk/employment-tribunal-decisions/mr-a-kamran-v-learning-enterprises-organisation-ltd-3324933-2017

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5c6a79eaed915d4a397873ee/Mr_A_Kamran_v_Learning_Enterprises_Organisation_Ltd__-__3324933-2017.pdf

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5c6a79fde5274a72c19f7c73/Mr_A_Kamran_v_Learning_Enterprises_Organisation_Ltd__-__3324933-2017__-_written_reasons.pdf



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Everyone knows Dan Anderson is fraud.
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Roel N. de Leeuw, as user LEOcoin Foundation is actively silencing any discussion of Learning Enterprises Organisation's financial woes related to LEOcoin, yet again, so I will post both of the deleted posts here for reference:

(I am unable to link these posts to further negative trust feedback as he already has five such ratings from me so feel free to add your own feedback to his trust with these posts as reference)

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Leocoin is independant from the LEO marketing side, it's important to know it because even if something wrong happen to the LEO company, the Leocoin will still exist because it's a public token on a public blockchain and tradable on Livecoin and others trading platforms.

But without LEO (Learning Enterprises Organisation Ltd), the MLM, there is no purpose to this coin or infrastructure to even provide for a market demand, ergo, no value.

But, if we talk about the Marketing side of LEO that consist of selling courses on entrepreneurship, self-development, NLP, photography and many others. This side is working very well,

You mean these packs available from the website?
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Because they are all sold by Learning Enterprises Organisation Ltd
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...and LEO is in Administration:
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Second things is that they are currently paying their members every week, in my opinion like many companies only 20% of the members are active, it represent 70.000 members. In conclusion they pay 70.000 members, if you are broke it's difficult to pay your members or it's not the case. This for the marketing side.
So how do you think they are supposedly paying their members if the company is in administration and even the administrator has declared that it cannot be rescued as a going concern?

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In fact, the largest debtor it has is a Canadian company which, itself, is about to enter formal insolvency proceedings and will not be able to settle its debt
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First the team and what they accomplish over the years, for me one of the biggest thing is that they teached members of the british parliament about the cryptocurrencies and how it will change the world. https://www.learnearnown.com/leo/LeoBusiness/GalleryDetail/258/The-Formation-of-the-All-Parliamentary-Party-Group-of-Digital-Currencies

This is utterly meaningless. Perhaps you don't understand the nature of politics, but this was all just a paid-for meet-and-greet photo-op to give the impression they were actually doing something 'with' the British Government. They were not. Politicians all over the world are sponsored (paid) to attend corporate presentations and seminars in order to lend an air of legitimacy and gravitas. It does not mean those corporations are actually involved with that country's government in a business relationship.


So now the use of the LEOcoin, the members have the possibility to use their LEOcoin on a Mastercard. http://leomastercard.com/

The LEO-branded pre-paid card detailed on the 2015 website, you mean?

Yeah, firstly, any company can pay to issue branded prepaid cards and this one was done through https://prepaidfinancialservices.com and, secondly, as you should probably note, even if it is still a thing it's part of Learning Enterprises Organisation Ltd, which as you know, is in Administration
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Let's check also the Crowdfundind platform created by LEO that working very well. https://www.leocrowd.com/deals.html

Its social media has been dead since the end of 2018 https://twitter.com/myLEOcrowd

Dan is stuck in Pakistan and the wheels have finally come off the Learning Enterprises Organisation. You can't surely still be in denial about the reality of what this all means for LEO the coin/token?


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As said many times, this thread is about LEOcoin and not about Learning Enterprises Organisations Limited (LEO Ltd) or other third party business. Therefore I consider to remove your last post.

Learning Enterprises Organisations Limited is LEOcoin in as much as the coin was founded and launched by the same people for the purpose of integrating with the learnearnown MLM structure. To deny otherwise is patently false. So conversation concerning the dire financial state of the LEO company are absolutely relevant to the topic of this thread.

1) what legal entity asked for Mr. Cusack to be appointed as Administrator and has paid for this?
2) would that legal entity not be a substantial creditor?
3) would it be relevant who has filed for insolvency and why?

Bernard Landi, an accountant (LANDI ACCOUNTING SOLUTIONS LIMITED) who also serves as board member and sometime shareholder of various LEO-related companies contacted Nicolas Cusack of Parker Andrews Limited, to whom he had previously referred work to in the past.

He, Mr Landi, was 'in discussion with' the creditor LEO Entrepreneurship Ltd (Hong Kong), albeit you should also note that both he and Dan Andersson act as officers for LEO Entrepreneurship (UK) Ltd, with the shareholding changed from themselves to the Hong Kong company where, you should particularly note, that the purported change in beneficial ownership from Mr Landi to the Hong Kong company was filed a little over one month ago but backdated to February 2018.

So, in that there is little doubt that one or both of them is directly connected to the Hong Kong creditor company, you can see why I put the quote marks around the phrase 'in discussion with', because it is merely an extension of their own actions, rather than contact by an actual 'third-party' creditor.

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Now, what is important to understand with regards to any argument within the management of this company, or any affiliate company to Learning Enterprises Organisation Ltd is this:
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All of this is only a matter about a dispute between TWO people, the two shareholders of Learning Enterprises Organisation Ltd:
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Atif Kamran and Dan Gunnar Bjarne Andersson.

In that Dan Andersson holds the majority shareholding in the company the sole reason there was a supposed fear in the 'connected companies', such as its Hong Kong creditor, LEO Entrepreneurship Ltd (Hong Kong), that the 'connected investors' would be removed from the board of the company Learning Enterprises Organisation Ltd, is that a successful legal action taken against it by Atif Kamran could very well result in Dan Andersson losing his majority shareholding rights and, ergo, be subsequently removed from the board and lose control of the company itself.

This 'creditor action' by the Hong Kong company is Dan Andersson attempting to shut everything down before it could be taken from him and to make a creditors demand against the company and have assets/cash paid to his Hong Kong entity, LEO Entrepreneurship Ltd.

This is the same Dan Andersson who, let's not forget, failed to defend himself against claims he was issuing more LEOcoins than the company could possibly fund. So none of this is the behaviour of an upstanding businessman and just another thing to consider when put against his legal woes in Pakistan.

...and on the subject of funding:
4) as you can read in the report yourself, the company (LEO Ltd.) does provide management and support functions to third parties. These third parties do provide educational and learning products. Why then, do you continue to claim, that LEO Ltd. would do so

Because Learning Enterprises Organisation Ltd, now under administration, is the company which bills 'customers' for all these services and, as the administration documents show, not only is there a £2,000,000 write-off due on the balance sheet, the 'management and support functions' it bills for are no longer sufficient an income-stream to fund the company which, both issues being taken into consideration, lead to it being considered insolvent and, as previously explained, is now largely a matter of who can pick what remaining meat off the bones might be left assets/cash-in-bank wise.

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5) as you were so prone to point out that Mr. Atif Kamran had been fired, but fought back at court. Have you noticed in the report that you are quoting, that he - according to the administrator - has to pay back a loan over 328,000 GBP to LEO Ltd.?
And the company also owes Club Med alone nearly three hundred thousand quid, so even if Atif Kamran were to settle that debt it's only going to go towards existing creditors.
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And, as a final comment - yes, it is important to keep an eye on LEO activities, but to do it properly and from the right perspective is paramount to arrive at a balanced view. It is my impression, that you utterly fail to do so.

Yes I get that you like to claim that I am not presenting a balanced view, but the facts speak for themselves and are not my opinion, they are objectively proven and evidenced.

But the truth is this, if the services which Learning Enterprises Organisation Ltd bills for are no longer sufficient to provide for a viable revenue to keep the company solvent, what makes you think any other version of the company, incorporated in any other jurisdiction, could magically turn this operating loss into a profit?



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Perhaps someone from Leocoin can comment on this:

Millions missing and lots of loans to themselves and to and from entities owned by them.













Source: https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/07978520/filing-history/MzIzNDA5MzUwN2FkaXF6a2N4/document?format=pdf&download=0


The leocoin foundation in 2017 claimed it had no funds or assets whatsoever.

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Where did the money go ? Over 1.1 million pounds "gone" and that is just one company currently in liquidation....




There is not a lot of $ in assets left after using the company as a personal lender and "missing investments".


Despite being in "administration" it still appears to be accepting payments via its website.

https://www.learnearnown.com/leo/Shop/Products/969/LEO%20Starter%20Pack



Dan also is claiming that he doesn't have to pay the loans back.




Associated companies:

LEOCROWD LIMITED (09929505)
LEARNING ENTERPRISES ORGANISATION LIMITED (07978520)
OXFORD DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM LIMITED (07036613)
HUMANITAS MERITUS LIMITED (08122105)
LEOXCHANGE (LONDON) LIMITED (09400584)
LEOPROPCROWD LIMITED (11223414)
MASTERCLASS CROWDFUNDING LTD (11092725)
LEO (AUSTRALIA) LTD (10676363)
LEO GOLD LTD (10877567)
LEO EUROPE LIMITED (10850819)
LEO PROPERTIES (WALLINGFORD) LTD (10850692)
LEO EUROPE LIMITED (10850819)
LEO TOWER LIMITED (10676180)
LEO (AUSTRALIA) LTD (10676363)
LEOXCHANGE (LONDON) LIMITED (09400584)
HEALEY FOX LTD (06893277)
LEO PROPERTIES (WALLINGFORD) LTD (10850692)
LEO ENTREPRENEURSHIP (UK) LIMITED (11223396)
LEO GOLD VAULT LIMITED (10924379)
LEO TOWER LIMITED (10676180)
LEOCOIN FOUNDATION CIC Company number 09928733

Most of them file "micro accounts".



Also according to the documents it "owes" a substantial amount of funds to two companies owned by Dan that have filed no accounts and were previously dormant.








The liquidator also doesn't appear to believe it...



https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/07978520/filing-history/MzIzNDEyNTcwNGFkaXF6a2N4/document?format=pdf&download=0


Leocoin foundation is a "not for profit" organisation.

I see its advertisements, websites, board members etc.



What I don't understand is that when I look it up on the companies office website it is listed as "dormant" and "excempt from filing accounts because it is not trading".





https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/09928733

It owes nothing, it owns nothing, it earns nothing and it spends nothing.

Can someone please explain this ?

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Just as an update, seeing as Roel N. de Leeuw (LEOcoin Foundation) has locked the LEOcoin thread even as his last post in it continues to desperately shill for this scamcoin, I've added this flag to his profile based upon his continued dishonest promotion even in the face of mountains of irrefutable evidence surrounding its corrupt founders, particularly Dan Gunnar Bjarne Andersson.

'Behind MLM' have a decent update on his situation: https://behindmlm.com/companies/leo/high-court-order-sheds-light-on-dan-anderssons-fraud-in-pakistan/





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Dan Andersson is now released … Saturday September 21st there is a LeoCoin Event at Hong Kong and the CEO is very happy to be now free…  Now what are the news about Money and the future of the Company ?
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