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December 13, 2012, 11:35:48 AM
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press alt+v and check your weekly candles O H L C against bitcoincharts raw data for example

Los desesperados publican que lo inventó el rey que rabió, porque todo son en el rabias y mas rabias, disgustos y mas disgustos, pezares y mas pezares; si el que compra algunas partidas vé que baxan, rabia de haver comprado; si suben, rabia de que no compró mas; si compra, suben, vende, gana y buelan aun á mas alto precio del que ha vendido; rabia de que vendió por menor precio: si no compra ni vende y ván subiendo, rabia de que haviendo tenido impulsos de comprar, no llegó á lograr los impulsos; si van baxando, rabia de que, haviendo tenido amagos de vender, no se resolvió á gozar los amagos; si le dan algun consejo y acierta, rabia de que no se lo dieron antes; si yerra, rabia de que se lo dieron; con que todo son inquietudes, todo arrepentimientos, tododelirios, luchando siempre lo insufrible con lo feliz, lo indomito con lo tranquilo y lo rabioso con lo deleytable.
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December 13, 2012, 06:33:51 PM
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in the end, the starting date does not matter as market psychologies and overall trends do not change with choosing an specific starting time
But for you, I moved the starting date by one day so you are happy :-)


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Last edit: December 13, 2012, 08:47:42 PM by myself
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in the end, the starting date does not matter as market psychologies and overall trends do not change with choosing an specific starting time
But for you, I moved the starting date by one day so you are happy :-)


Look at your candles and look at the real data, where are your weekly close ? how come u get green candle when there should be red ? also you are using moving average envelope that use the weekly close price but your weekly close price is not even near the real data, you do what you want but at least use the real data, i am out i am done with this ........





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Los desesperados publican que lo inventó el rey que rabió, porque todo son en el rabias y mas rabias, disgustos y mas disgustos, pezares y mas pezares; si el que compra algunas partidas vé que baxan, rabia de haver comprado; si suben, rabia de que no compró mas; si compra, suben, vende, gana y buelan aun á mas alto precio del que ha vendido; rabia de que vendió por menor precio: si no compra ni vende y ván subiendo, rabia de que haviendo tenido impulsos de comprar, no llegó á lograr los impulsos; si van baxando, rabia de que, haviendo tenido amagos de vender, no se resolvió á gozar los amagos; si le dan algun consejo y acierta, rabia de que no se lo dieron antes; si yerra, rabia de que se lo dieron; con que todo son inquietudes, todo arrepentimientos, tododelirios, luchando siempre lo insufrible con lo feliz, lo indomito con lo tranquilo y lo rabioso con lo deleytable.
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December 13, 2012, 08:48:24 PM
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in the end, the starting date does not matter as market psychologies and overall trends do not change with choosing an specific starting time
But for you, I moved the starting date by one day so you are happy :-)


Look at your candles and look at the real data, where are your weekly close ? how come u get green candle when there should be red ? also you are using moving average envelope that use the weekly close price but your weekly close price is not even near the real data, you do what you want but at least use the real data, i am out i am done with this ........





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I looks to me like these charts are from different time zones.

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December 13, 2012, 09:50:13 PM
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my candles start on Mondays and last until Sunday night in the weekly charts.

I would be happy to change it to whatever day you think is better :-)

that said, I think most regions count their week from Monday to Sunday.. so we better keep consistency

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December 14, 2012, 05:42:27 PM
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accumulation on the daily chart confirming the bitcoin price rally in the bitcoin chart:
http://www.bitcoinbullbear.com/forum.html#/20111119/bitcoin-technical-analysis-1030059/page4/


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December 15, 2012, 02:25:58 PM
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This is special short term update. Awaiting huge bear pennant confirmation with almost all requirements met, including huge negative rsi, macd, volume divergences. Textbook target is $5. Have a nice bitday.

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December 15, 2012, 03:59:25 PM
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This is special short term update. Awaiting huge bear pennant confirmation with almost all requirements met, including huge negative rsi, macd, volume divergences. Textbook target is $5. Have a nice bitday.



this is one alternative, indeed

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December 15, 2012, 04:32:22 PM
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Yep. I noticed when your forecasts do not follow the volume, market shows huge opposite reaction.

People, speculate on that Wink
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December 15, 2012, 04:41:54 PM
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Yep. I noticed when your forecasts do not follow the volume, market shows huge opposite reaction.

People, speculate on that Wink

no worries. my subscribers are always one step ahead. I gave a warning alert just a few minutes before the drop from 13.8 to 13$  :-)

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December 15, 2012, 07:27:47 PM
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Yep. I noticed when your forecasts do not follow the volume, market shows huge opposite reaction.

People, speculate on that Wink

no worries. my subscribers are always one step ahead. I gave a warning alert just a few minutes before the drop from 13.8 to 13$  :-)

You caused this to happen!  Cheesy
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December 15, 2012, 09:04:16 PM
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Yep. I noticed when your forecasts do not follow the volume, market shows huge opposite reaction.

People, speculate on that Wink

no worries. my subscribers are always one step ahead. I gave a warning alert just a few minutes before the drop from 13.8 to 13$  :-)

Right, as if you knew it was going to happen.

Let's only highlight when you are right and not when you are wrong.

lol  Cheesy

Pretty bold statement saying "always". This is a sign that someone has an ego problem.

"My subscribers are ALWAYS one step ahead."


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a bit off topic, but this is an interesting read on the fiscal cliff negotiations:

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I have been watching the trade feed from MtGox for currencies other than USD, and have noticed very different behaviour for traders using USD compared to other currencies.  While the USD traders keep selling, often large amounts in bulk, traders keep buying in other currencies.  GBP, EUR and AUD are especially active.  The prices in GBP, EUR and AUD are almost constantly 2.5% higher, which is where the currency's bid meets USD ask.  (Asks are matched from the USD order book, and exchanged at a 2.5% fee.  This is shown as mixed currency in the feed.)  Large USD sales are often satisfied from bids from the other currencies, and followed by large buys in other currencies.  Recently, when the price hit 13.9 USD, the buying from 13.5 and up was mostly done in non-USD currencies.  Same thing happened when a 10k sale for USD, followed by other large sales in USD, made the price drop below 13 USD.  Large AUD buys pushed the price back up to 13.3 USD.  The last week 18716 BTC was bought in AUD, 10359 BTC bought in GBP and 6767 BTC bought in EUR from the USD order book at a 2.5% fee.  Mostly triggered by bids in those currencies, but also by market sales in USD.  There were no matches in the other direction (where an order from another currency was matched against the bid side of the USD order book).

Is this significant?  Why are the USD users so very pessimistic, while the users of other currencies are so very optimistic?  Is it just dumb users buying BTC in other currencies, while the USD market is speculators selling?  I assume most serious investors would do a currency exchange in their own bank when transferring to get a better rate than the 2.5% MtGox offers.

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December 18, 2012, 07:14:08 PM
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I have noticed the exact opposite with CAD with Canadian buyers being very pessimistic with Virtex, the Canadian exchange trading almost always a few % below the MTGox USD price. In Canada's case my theory is that the cold Canadian winter combined with relatively low electricity rates makes Canada very attractive for Bitcoin mining. This leads to Canada being a net exporter of Bitcoins.

Australia should be a net importer for the exact opposite reason to Canada being a net exporter, especially during the Australian summer. One can also argue that the EU could be a net Bitcoin importer because of fear over the Euro.

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I have noticed the exact opposite with CAD with Canadian buyers being very pessimistic with Virtex, the Canadian exchange trading almost always a few % below the MTGox USD price.
Comparing the price at two exchanges directly doesn't work for several reasons.  BTC-E is always lower as well.  Bitcurex and Intersango are ususally below MtGox EUR price (compared to USD it is more mixed).

Australia should be a net importer for the exact opposite reason to Canada being a net exporter, especially during the Australian summer. One can also argue that the EU could be a net Bitcoin importer because of fear over the Euro.
Currently the USD is doing much worse than any of the listed currencies.  This may actually be a reason why people choose to keep their own currencies when transferring to MtGox.

I don't think mining is an important factor here.  The volume in those three currencies alone is far higher than the mining rate.  Could be trade balance, if the sellers trade in USD and the people who pay with Bitcoin come from all over the world.  Winter in Europe creates a high demand for alpaca socks, of course. Smiley

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December 18, 2012, 09:30:55 PM
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We offer new services at cheaper prices down to 0.99 BTC per month.

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I have been watching the trade feed from MtGox for currencies other than USD, and have noticed very different behaviour for traders using USD compared to other currencies.  While the USD traders keep selling, often large amounts in bulk, traders keep buying in other currencies.  GBP, EUR and AUD are especially active.  The prices in GBP, EUR and AUD are almost constantly 2.5% higher, which is where the currency's bid meets USD ask.  (Asks are matched from the USD order book, and exchanged at a 2.5% fee.  This is shown as mixed currency in the feed.)  Large USD sales are often satisfied from bids from the other currencies, and followed by large buys in other currencies.  Recently, when the price hit 13.9 USD, the buying from 13.5 and up was mostly done in non-USD currencies.  Same thing happened when a 10k sale for USD, followed by other large sales in USD, made the price drop below 13 USD.  Large AUD buys pushed the price back up to 13.3 USD.  The last week 18716 BTC was bought in AUD, 10359 BTC bought in GBP and 6767 BTC bought in EUR from the USD order book at a 2.5% fee.  Mostly triggered by bids in those currencies, but also by market sales in USD.  There were no matches in the other direction (where an order from another currency was matched against the bid side of the USD order book).

Is this significant?  Why are the USD users so very pessimistic, while the users of other currencies are so very optimistic?  Is it just dumb users buying BTC in other currencies, while the USD market is speculators selling?  I assume most serious investors would do a currency exchange in their own bank when transferring to get a better rate than the 2.5% MtGox offers.

You seem to be approaching the analysis with the assumption that the motivation for trade is buyiing/selling bitcoins.

It may make sense if you consider that the large trades are for users who want to change from one fiat currency to another, and they are using bitcoin/MtGox as the vehicle for doing that (for various reasons). I.e. what you are describing might be simply the market moving money out of euros/aud/gbp and into/repatriating usd?

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It may make sense if you consider that the large trades are for users who want to change from one fiat currency to another, and they are using bitcoin/MtGox as the vehicle for doing that (for various reasons). I.e. what you are describing might be simply the market moving money out of euros/aud/gbp and into/repatriating usd?
That doesn't make sense.  Paying 2.5% + trade fee for currency conversion?  And often when it is already known that the AUD/GBP/EUR price will be much better the next day, making the effective conversion fee more than 3% in the USD -> currency direction?  (MtGox only change their exchange fee once a day.)  Even credit cards have better exchange rates, and the timing is exceptionally bad.

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December 19, 2012, 08:23:26 AM
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It may make sense if you consider that the large trades are for users who want to change from one fiat currency to another, and they are using bitcoin/MtGox as the vehicle for doing that (for various reasons). I.e. what you are describing might be simply the market moving money out of euros/aud/gbp and into/repatriating usd?
That doesn't make sense.  Paying 2.5% + trade fee for currency conversion?  And often when it is already known that the AUD/GBP/EUR price will be much better the next day, making the effective conversion fee more than 3% in the USD -> currency direction?  (MtGox only change their exchange fee once a day.)  Even credit cards have better exchange rates, and the timing is exceptionally bad.

Some users may be quite happy to pay the 3% for the user-defined anonymity features of bitcoins ....

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