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Author Topic: Bitmain's Released Antminer S9, World's First 16nm Miner Ready to Order  (Read 507951 times)
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June 17, 2016, 02:52:04 PM
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hmm which new psu are you talking about?? the miners with the psu mounted on the top? those are only supposed to reach 2.7th/s on the default config. or do you mean the separate 1600w psu (if so those arent "new") they sell? that psu only runs on 220v power i believe so are you sure your using 220v and not 110v?? try using another psu with 4 pci-e power connectors and hook 1 up to the controller and the other 3 to one of the boards. power the miner on with 1 board at a time and see what the hashrate for each board is. this will help you determine which board has issues.

Completely useless suggestions.

First of all, he lives in a country where is 230V electricity .
Second. I'm pretty sure he bought 1600W PSU.
Thirdly. S9 software shows each blade separately. Hashing speed and HV errors.
There is no need to disconnect anything.

I got my first five S9 and one is also "lemon".
Tomorrow brings  courier another 6x S9 . I hope they are better.

first how m i supposed to know where the kid lives?? silly boy think before you speak

second he wasn't clear that's why i asked. there's no reason to assume ne one has 220v power and since idk him personally i didn't want to assume pay attention

third you obviously don't mine much. those that have would know psu issues do come up. for example some times a power supply wont power on one miner but it will work on another one of the same model. i had this happen with 2 s7's i have. the psu would work on every other miner i had except one s7. i tried like 5 s7's and all worked great except for one miner. i had to use a dps-1200fb that i modded as the supply for the controller. the psu that wouldn't power on that single miner was an evga g2 1300w psu so ik the psu was more than beefy enough to power on the controller besides if it wasn't all the other miners wouldn't have powered on either. so before you go runnin ur mouth kid ask. don't say my comments r useless because frankly ur ignorant negative comments don't help at all. i was at least offering a suggestion to him and others like him. what did u provide?? absolutely nothin! so take ur bull elsewhere please or be more polite to your fellow community.

maybe s9's are just arriving dead. i wasn't stupid enough to buy s9's at the current price and risk tens of thousands of dollars until things had a better roi but that doesn't mean i cant try and help people that need it which is more than u can say based on that ignorant reply.  

If you're smart enough not to buy the S9, why are you commenting on things that you do not have and of which you know nothing about ?  Not smart enough for this ?
I had 43x S7, burnt down 3 blade during the warranty period and 5 blade after  the warranty period.
 I have never seen a problem , that PSU working with one S7, but will not work with another S7. Then, the power supply is simply too weak. But 1600W Bitmain PSU  can not be too weak for S7 or S9

I have now 11 xS7 with 2 x EVGA G2 1600W , 1 x Bitmain 1600W PSU, with 2 x IBM 2000W single PSU and 3x IBM 2000W double PSU .
The best mining results gives me 1600W EVGA  and APW3-12-1600-B2 (old version , with 12x PCI-E cables)


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June 17, 2016, 02:52:53 PM
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Ok, my S9 start working a bit better.
https://s32.postimg.org/53zy2xn91/s9_625_Mhz.png
Most important thing was set fan manualy at 90%. After this at 650Mhz get 13TH+ but with quite a lot HW errors (0,0015%). After lower frequency to 625Mh HW drop to 0.0003% and speed stabilized at 13,1TH.
Strange thing is that miner need few restarts to hashig properly, sometimes 1 board hang at 3TH  and dont want speed up.

those chips temps are wayyyy too high my friend. your running some dangerous numbers. they should never go much higher than 70 degrees c at the chip and each day it runs like that it loses a little more life until it finally dies. if posible i would try fixing this sooner rather than later. i dont want your hardware throwin out that magic smoke.
No they are not. For GPU yes, but not for ASICs.
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June 17, 2016, 02:58:46 PM
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Being able to see the individual blades' performance opens up the possibility of combining good or bad performing blades into a single unit and then clocking the unit appropriately for the blades (presumably voiding the warranty in the process though).

@yxt have you tried downclocking at all to see what happens to the blades that are not performing as well?



Also out of curiosity, has anyone from batch 2 or 3 received a shipping notification?  I am curious if batch 3 really is going to ship before batch 2.

My batch 3 is scheduled to arrive Monday the 20th...

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June 17, 2016, 03:16:24 PM
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Buddy, Slush's has the BEST dashboard, but CKPool has the BEST profits. 

Can we have a non-emotional, fact based, discussion about that?  I am open to switching.

Slush is running around 62PH, it has a 2% fee and using a scoring system that seems fair (rewards consistent participation).  Transaction fees are shared.

CKPool is running around 36PH, has a 0.9% fee and uses PPLNSG payouts.  Transaction fees are also shared.

Seems to me, for someone that is running for months, PPLNSG and Slushes scoring system are similar in effect, both avoid block hoppers (are those still a problem?).

Variance based on pool size is not a big deal for either:  both are large enough that a daily payout is reasonable (my personal threshold).

Seems Slush wouldn't make for a very good backup pool, since short term access results in a lower score.  Seems to me that CKPool may be ok for that, although the payouts would be delayed by a day or so.

Bottom line, the fees are the major difference?

BTW - I have CKPool as one of my backup pools as of last night, but all three of my miners are showing the pool as dead.  I'm using a named account.  The doc indicates the worker name will be auto-generated upon first contact, yet I'll never have a first contact if the pool doesn't show up as alive...

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June 17, 2016, 03:28:08 PM
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Almost at 2 hours now, web page indicateds 13,544.19 GH/S(RT) and 13,6954.32(avg) - just added the "Lowes sound mod" and noticing the temps go up a few degrees - now at 65-67C.

Of interest, Slushpool is crediting my S9 with 14.53TH/s over the past hour:

My units are in a basement "machine room", so thinking of removing the grills to see if that helps.  On my S7s, I found partially blocking the intake worked, but raised temps.  Using a block of 2x3 lumber BEHIND the unit brought the sound under control.  May play a bit more before disabling the safety grills.

Buddy, Slush's has the BEST dashboard, but CKPool has the BEST profits. 

I use Slush because I can have an active dashboard on every single electronic device I own.  I notice within minutes when one of my miners is offline or hashing at unusually low rates.  The increased % of uptime is worth more to me than the higher % of blocks found.

My units are in a remote location on a TWC business class connection and I still live in fear that they will burn up on an internet outage.  I've had several that I noticed immediately and by the time I arrived it still smelled a bit toasty and the metal racks were almost searing hot.  No other pool offers the kind of access to the dashboard (from my experience) that allows me to respond almost immediately.
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June 17, 2016, 03:30:16 PM
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Blade 4 seems to have 10x the HW errors   -  Now hashing at 13.444Thz  -- Ambient temp is below 20deg C





Oh  and numnutz2009  your name is Fitting -- Just replace the first  n with a D
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June 17, 2016, 03:35:57 PM
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it would be interesting to tally up S9 B1 performance so far. There seem to be some complains, but let's put some real numbers on this.
Please respond (if you want) with four  parameters. If machine is DOA, obviously zeroes for speed.

1. Th at start, for example 1hr without mhz adjustment (if possible)  
2. Stable Th
3. stable mhz
4. ambient temp

So far (of what was posted in bits and pieces):



My S9 stabilized to a level I am comfortable with at 650mhz this time hashing 13.7 THs (showing 14.74THs at Kano pool) but fans is still almost full speed at 95%, no woo-woo sound at least. PCB 57-62c, CHIP 86-95c.

After the firmware upgrade, things seemed to have done the trick - but the 3rd blade is producing high HW error rate - in the hundreds. After 10 hours or so, HW error count from balde 1 to 3 are, 19, 32, 455! This bit is still bothering me.

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it would be interesting to tally up S9 B1 performance so far. There seem to be some complains, but let's put some real numbers on this.
Please respond (if you want) with four  parameters. If machine is DOA, obviously zeroes for speed.

1. Th at start, for example 1hr without mhz adjustment (if possible)  
2. Stable Th
3. stable mhz
4. ambient temp

Here's some more precise numbers. I only own Machine 1, so that's the only one I've tried to overclock so far. Still testing its limits.

Machine 1:
1. 13.7 TH/s
2. 14.2 TH/s
3. 668 MHz
4. 10°C - 20°C
5. 55°C max Temp(PCB)
6. 85°C max Temp(Chip)

Machine 2 ("m5"):
1. 13.7 TH/s
2. 13.7 TH/s
3. 650 MHz
4. 10°C - 20°C
5. 55°C max Temp(PCB)
6. 86°C max Temp(Chip)

Machine 3 ("m6"):
1. 8.0 TH/s
2. 11-12 TH/s
3. 575 MHz
4. 10°C - 20°C
5. 55°C max Temp(PCB)
6. 86°C max Temp(Chip)

Machine 4 ("m7"):
1. 13.8 TH/s
2. 13.8 TH/s
3. 650 MHz
4. 10°C - 20°C
5. 56°C max Temp(PCB)
6. 87°C max Temp(Chip)

Machine 5 ("m8"):
1. 7.5 TH/s
2. 11.5-12.5 TH/s
3. 575 MHz
4. 10°C - 20°C
5. 53°C max Temp(PCB)
6. 86°C max Temp(Chip)

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June 17, 2016, 03:47:13 PM
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Buddy, Slush's has the BEST dashboard, but CKPool has the BEST profits. 

Can we have a non-emotional, fact based, discussion about that?  I am open to switching.

Slush is running around 62PH, it has a 2% fee and using a scoring system that seems fair (rewards consistent participation).  Transaction fees are shared.

CKPool is running around 36PH, has a 0.9% fee and uses PPLNSG payouts.  Transaction fees are also shared.

Seems to me, for someone that is running for months, PPLNSG and Slushes scoring system are similar in effect, both avoid block hoppers (are those still a problem?).

Variance based on pool size is not a big deal for either:  both are large enough that a daily payout is reasonable (my personal threshold).

Seems Slush wouldn't make for a very good backup pool, since short term access results in a lower score.  Seems to me that CKPool may be ok for that, although the payouts would be delayed by a day or so.

Bottom line, the fees are the major difference?

BTW - I have CKPool as one of my backup pools as of last night, but all three of my miners are showing the pool as dead.  I'm using a named account.  The doc indicates the worker name will be auto-generated upon first contact, yet I'll never have a first contact if the pool doesn't show up as alive...

Slush is bad if you have a blackout  you lose your work.  I would not use them for this one reason. Forget any other reason then this one.

also along the same lines if you do a big rental  on nicehash and the rental drops off you lose your work.

I don't mine anywhere that loses my work  in under 12 hours.  To me the 5n feature of kano is a big reason I mine with them.

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June 17, 2016, 03:58:37 PM
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Love to try CKPool, but unable to connect for some reason.  Any suggestions?

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June 17, 2016, 04:04:59 PM
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Buddy, Slush's has the BEST dashboard, but CKPool has the BEST profits. 

Can we have a non-emotional, fact based, discussion about that?  I am open to switching.

Slush is running around 62PH, it has a 2% fee and using a scoring system that seems fair (rewards consistent participation).  Transaction fees are shared.

CKPool is running around 36PH, has a 0.9% fee and uses PPLNSG payouts.  Transaction fees are also shared.

Seems to me, for someone that is running for months, PPLNSG and Slushes scoring system are similar in effect, both avoid block hoppers (are those still a problem?).

Variance based on pool size is not a big deal for either:  both are large enough that a daily payout is reasonable (my personal threshold).

Seems Slush wouldn't make for a very good backup pool, since short term access results in a lower score.  Seems to me that CKPool may be ok for that, although the payouts would be delayed by a day or so.

Bottom line, the fees are the major difference?

BTW - I have CKPool as one of my backup pools as of last night, but all three of my miners are showing the pool as dead.  I'm using a named account.  The doc indicates the worker name will be auto-generated upon first contact, yet I'll never have a first contact if the pool doesn't show up as alive...

Slush is bad if you have a blackout  you lose your work.  I would not use them for this one reason. Forget any other reason then this one.

also along the same lines if you do a big rental  on nicehash and the rental drops off you lose your work.

I don't mine anywhere that loses my work  in under 12 hours.  To me the 5n feature of kano is a big reason I mine with them.

I can understand wanting credit for every second participating in the pool, however, the Slush method isn't necessarily unfair.

It's true that you lose all your work on power down for the next block found.  But on the flip side of that coin you get full credit for the next block found on power up.  Granted, you lose work faster than you gain it, but not so much so that these two attributes of the scoring system don't nearly cancel each other out.

To boot, if you get back online before the next block is solved (in the pool) there is 0 impact to the credit towards that block.  So Slush favors power ons as well as intermittent power downs between blocks to balance out for losing credit on power downs where a block is solved.

I see nothing *bad* about that.  It's just different.
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June 17, 2016, 04:11:30 PM
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Blade 4 seems to have 10x the HW errors   -  Now hashing at 13.444Thz  -- Ambient temp is below 20deg C


(picture above)


Oh  and numnutz2009  your name is Fitting -- Just replace the first  n with a D

Your HW errors are still really low though.   So the even with the 1 with more I don't see it as a amount that causes alarm.   You have a decent test run with over a day.   As far as hardware errors looks fine to me.


On another note Biodom can you add a PSU spot on your spreadsheet?   Would be interested to have that on there.  On one I am testing with you can put down the Bitmain AP3.
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June 17, 2016, 04:17:59 PM
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Blade 4 seems to have 10x the HW errors   -  Now hashing at 13.444Thz  -- Ambient temp is below 20deg C


(picture above)


Oh  and numnutz2009  your name is Fitting -- Just replace the first  n with a D

Your HW errors are still really low though.   So the even with the 1 with more I don't see it as a amount that causes alarm.   You have a decent test run with over a day.   As far as hardware errors looks fine to me.


On another note Biodom can you add a PSU spot on your spreadsheet?   Would be interested to have that on there.  On one I am testing with you can put down the Bitmain AP3.

I don't mind adding PSU, of course, but most people provide only fractional info.
I will add it for you a bit later.
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Almost at 2 hours now, web page indicateds 13,544.19 GH/S(RT) and 13,6954.32(avg) - just added the "Lowes sound mod" and noticing the temps go up a few degrees - now at 65-67C.

Of interest, Slushpool is crediting my S9 with 14.53TH/s over the past hour:

My units are in a basement "machine room", so thinking of removing the grills to see if that helps.  On my S7s, I found partially blocking the intake worked, but raised temps.  Using a block of 2x3 lumber BEHIND the unit brought the sound under control.  May play a bit more before disabling the safety grills.

Buddy, Slush's has the BEST dashboard, but CKPool has the BEST profits.  

I use Slush because I can have an active dashboard on every single electronic device I own.  I notice within minutes when one of my miners is offline or hashing at unusually low rates.  The increased % of uptime is worth more to me than the higher % of blocks found.

My units are in a remote location on a TWC business class connection and I still live in fear that they will burn up on an internet outage.  I've had several that I noticed immediately and by the time I arrived it still smelled a bit toasty and the metal racks were almost searing hot.  No other pool offers the kind of access to the dashboard (from my experience) that allows me to respond almost immediately.

I get notices of down or under-performing miners by text messages (and emails) on Kano.is so I don't have to watch the dashboard constantly.  I used to be on Slush until I realized that I made a lot more on Kano.  Now...I just can't wait to get my S9 batch 3 online!  Cheesy



 

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June 17, 2016, 04:31:19 PM
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Love to try CKPool, but unable to connect for some reason.  Any suggestions?

name wrong ! chk properly.

back to topic, b3 scheduled to arrive on 20th too.

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waiting for batch 2 be shipped ......
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Buddy, Slush's has the BEST dashboard, but CKPool has the BEST profits. 

Can we have a non-emotional, fact based, discussion about that?  I am open to switching.

Slush is running around 62PH, it has a 2% fee and using a scoring system that seems fair (rewards consistent participation).  Transaction fees are shared.

CKPool is running around 36PH, has a 0.9% fee and uses PPLNSG payouts.  Transaction fees are also shared.

Seems to me, for someone that is running for months, PPLNSG and Slushes scoring system are similar in effect, both avoid block hoppers (are those still a problem?).

Variance based on pool size is not a big deal for either:  both are large enough that a daily payout is reasonable (my personal threshold).

Seems Slush wouldn't make for a very good backup pool, since short term access results in a lower score.  Seems to me that CKPool may be ok for that, although the payouts would be delayed by a day or so.

Bottom line, the fees are the major difference?

BTW - I have CKPool as one of my backup pools as of last night, but all three of my miners are showing the pool as dead.  I'm using a named account.  The doc indicates the worker name will be auto-generated upon first contact, yet I'll never have a first contact if the pool doesn't show up as alive...

Slush is bad if you have a blackout  you lose your work.  I would not use them for this one reason. Forget any other reason then this one.

also along the same lines if you do a big rental  on nicehash and the rental drops off you lose your work.

I don't mine anywhere that loses my work  in under 12 hours.  To me the 5n feature of kano is a big reason I mine with them.

I can understand wanting credit for every second participating in the pool, however, the Slush method isn't necessarily unfair.

It's true that you lose all your work on power down for the next block found.  But on the flip side of that coin you get full credit for the next block found on power up.  Granted, you lose work faster than you gain it, but not so much so that these two attributes of the scoring system don't nearly cancel each other out.

To boot, if you get back online before the next block is solved (in the pool) there is 0 impact to the credit towards that block.  So Slush favors power ons as well as intermittent power downs between blocks to balance out for losing credit on power downs where a block is solved.

I see nothing *bad* about that.  It's just different.

Thank you  I see something in your info that I can use.

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Love to try CKPool, but unable to connect for some reason.  Any suggestions?

name wrong ! chk properly.


There was that whole thing where Kano had talked to someone who had an S9 before they were technically released and it was sending an extraneous command at connection that was causing it not to work on the Kano pool.  I don't know if you could see it in the logs at startup or not.  But it seems within the realm of possibility that if this one did not have the firmware updated before being shipped it may be configured to use that extraneous command at connection which would prevent it from working on Kano CKpool.  In that case then theoretically speaking, a firmware update should fix it.  However based on the intermittent bricking reports from S7 firmware updates I think I would be certain that was the issue before going down that road.  
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There was that whole thing where Kano had talked to someone who had an S9 before they were technically released and it was sending an extraneous command at connection that was causing it not to work on the Kano pool.  I don't know if you could see it in the logs at startup or not.  But it seems within the realm of possibility that if this one did not have the firmware updated before being shipped it may be configured to use that extraneous command at connection which would prevent it from working on Kano CKpool.  In that case then theoretically speaking, a firmware update should fix it.  However based on the intermittent bricking reports from S7 firmware updates I think I would be certain that was the issue before going down that road.  

Thanks.  Alas my S9 unit was shipped with the June 8th firmware, and I'm seeing the same issue on my S7s.  I've asked for help on the #ckpool IRC channel, but so far, no response.

To the previous responder:  I actually do know how to spell my username, and the image shows that as being consistent with my usage on Slush.  As mentioned, the website accepts that spelling as me.

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Love to try CKPool, but unable to connect for some reason.  Any suggestions?

Have you tried any of the other ports?  Which country are you in?  There are some nodes for other countries as well...

stratum+tcp://stratum.kano.is:3333
stratum+tcp://stratum80.kano.is:80
stratum+tcp://stratum81.kano.is:81
stratum+tcp://stratum443.kano.is:443
stratum+tcp://stratum8080.kano.is:8080

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