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June 23, 2016, 07:13:51 PM
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Hi I have received two units of S9 and both have one board hashing around 2.7

They are batch 2, is it a normal? Any tips?

Thanks!


it is less then ideal.  I fixed your link it is below. 

what is your psu?

try freq 593
try freq 587
try freq 575


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June 23, 2016, 07:48:21 PM
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my secondary account.  I am philipma1957

gear came .  fees for 2 units = 89 usd

could be worse.  I think I won't ask many questions for the time being.

This is a secondary account .
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June 23, 2016, 08:08:46 PM
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Thank You philipma1957 / Judypug1956,

I can now make a rough calculation what kind of bill to expect when new miners arrive (USA, Midwest).

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June 23, 2016, 08:47:56 PM
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my secondary account.  I am philipma1957

gear came .  fees for 2 units = 89 usd

could be worse.  I think I won't ask many questions for the time being.

That's crazy. My understanding is the state determines the tax.
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June 23, 2016, 08:52:32 PM
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my secondary account.  I am philipma1957

gear came .  fees for 2 units = 89 usd

could be worse.  I think I won't ask many questions for the time being.

That's crazy. My understanding is the state determines the tax.

The state as in "New Jersey"? I doubt it. They would want to collect sales tax obviously but they're not there yet. And that would be more than $89 anyway. There is probably some bullshit "convenience fee" in that amount.

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June 23, 2016, 09:27:15 PM
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Hi I have received two units of S9 and both have one board hashing around 2.7

They are batch 2, is it a normal? Any tips?

Thanks!


it is less then ideal.  I fixed your link it is below. 

what is your psu?

try freq 593
try freq 587
try freq 575



after i "upped" the voltage on my PSU the miner behaves slightly better. it's a B3.

I have to do a system reboot if i made any changes such as fan speed or freq, a save & apply don't work.

Also try to power everything off for like 30 secs & power it again.

The 3 methods worked for me, ***HINT*** higher freq does not always means better.

I noticed that 2 are good boards & 1 is a little "cuckoo" & it will not go up to certain speed or might drop but setting lower freq improves it & much less HW errors but for the other 2 remaining "normal" boards are working as it should. In my case it's chain #1.

PSU is DPS2000BB. Hope this helps.
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June 23, 2016, 09:45:13 PM
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Hi I have received two units of S9 and both have one board hashing around 2.7

They are batch 2, is it a normal? Any tips?

Thanks!



As others have said try lowering the freq.  I have one board which underperforms as well.  If I do a 'save and apply' without changing anything, sometimes it will come up good (higher hash) and sometimes it will come up bad (lower hash).  But lower freq usually means better odds of it coming up good when I restart cgminer.  I can tell within a minute if it got a good start because it will either come up past 3000 or it wont by that time.
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June 23, 2016, 09:51:32 PM
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So confused....

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June 23, 2016, 09:52:48 PM
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my secondary account.  I am philipma1957

gear came .  fees for 2 units = 89 usd

could be worse.  I think I won't ask many questions for the time being.

That's crazy. My understanding is the state determines the tax.

The state as in "New Jersey"? I doubt it. They would want to collect sales tax obviously but they're not there yet. And that would be more than $89 anyway. There is probably some bullshit "convenience fee" in that amount.

yes broker fee is around 60 and the import tax is about 29.

I did a lot of research after the fact  and will no longer order an s-9 until it drops to 1600 usd plus shipping  as over 2000 is kind of subject and over 2500 is subject to tax.

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June 23, 2016, 09:54:12 PM
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my secondary account.  I am philipma1957

gear came .  fees for 2 units = 89 usd

could be worse.  I think I won't ask many questions for the time being.
That is on par with what I paid today to clear my single B3 miner. I asked the UPS agent for a breakdoen and it was a total of $46.86  mostly Customs duty and something like $3-4 for the UPS brokerage fee to process the Customs duty and import clearance.

Either the import thresholds have changed or the miner is mis-marked for shipping code.

I'd have to look up the exact code but is supposed to be for:
    Electronic equipment, computer, no terminal or display
or something like that.

It also took an odd hop in Japan -- usual route is Shenzhen > Osaka > Anchorage > etc.
This time it arrived in Narita first but then left from Osaka. Er? A bit of a trek there.

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June 23, 2016, 10:00:22 PM
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my secondary account.  I am philipma1957

gear came .  fees for 2 units = 89 usd

could be worse.  I think I won't ask many questions for the time being.

That's crazy. My understanding is the state determines the tax.

The state as in "New Jersey"? I doubt it. They would want to collect sales tax obviously but they're not there yet. And that would be more than $89 anyway. There is probably some bullshit "convenience fee" in that amount.

yes broker fee is around 60 and the import tax is about 29.

I did a lot of research after the fact  and will no longer order an s-9 until it drops to 1600 usd plus shipping  as over 2000 is kind of subject and over 2500 is subject to tax.

Is this a recent change or is it specific to China and not Europe or EU (goods origin)?
About two years ago Spondoolies cost more than $2500 with no fee.
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June 23, 2016, 10:37:04 PM
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my secondary account.  I am philipma1957

gear came .  fees for 2 units = 89 usd

could be worse.  I think I won't ask many questions for the time being.

That's crazy. My understanding is the state determines the tax.

The state as in "New Jersey"? I doubt it. They would want to collect sales tax obviously but they're not there yet. And that would be more than $89 anyway. There is probably some bullshit "convenience fee" in that amount.

yes broker fee is around 60 and the import tax is about 29.

I did a lot of research after the fact  and will no longer order an s-9 until it drops to 1600 usd plus shipping  as over 2000 is kind of subject and over 2500 is subject to tax.

Yep, learned that lesson on an S7 buy where the total for two miners was $2,100. Broker fees seem to vary depending on the company UPS uses. When this happened to me, my broker fees were much lower but it took much longer (5-7 days) to clear with the company and was somewhat of a nightmare. Seems to have gone smoothly/quickly in your case.
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June 24, 2016, 12:56:28 AM
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my secondary account.  I am philipma1957

gear came .  fees for 2 units = 89 usd

could be worse.  I think I won't ask many questions for the time being.

That's crazy. My understanding is the state determines the tax.

The state as in "New Jersey"? I doubt it. They would want to collect sales tax obviously but they're not there yet. And that would be more than $89 anyway. There is probably some bullshit "convenience fee" in that amount.

yes broker fee is around 60 and the import tax is about 29.

I did a lot of research after the fact  and will no longer order an s-9 until it drops to 1600 usd plus shipping  as over 2000 is kind of subject and over 2500 is subject to tax.

Yep, learned that lesson on an S7 buy where the total for two miners was $2,100. Broker fees seem to vary depending on the company UPS uses. When this happened to me, my broker fees were much lower but it took much longer (5-7 days) to clear with the company and was somewhat of a nightmare. Seems to have gone smoothly/quickly in your case.

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June 24, 2016, 01:12:14 AM
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According to coinwarz.com calculations
My weekly profit after July 09/2016(Bitcoin Halving) is:
56.32 usd x 52 weeks= 2928 Usd ( If I go with weekly calculations,bitcoin difficulty, and bitcoin price  stay same.)

Yet 2928 Usd does not include hardware cost.Therefore I will be break even after a year. If bitcoin price stay same, bitcoin difficulty stay same as well.
Can you check the numbers and let me know if I'm missing anything.

If I have a Antminer s9
Hash Rate is : 12900 ghs
Power watts: 1275+%7= 1365 watts
power cost:10 cents
pool fee: 2%
Bitcoin difficulty: 209453158595.38100
Block REward:12.5 After July 09/ 2016
Bitcoin Usd:638 june 22/2016
Cost of hardware:2100 usd+ power supply+ shipping=Around 3000Usd

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http://www.coinwarz.com/calculators/bitcoin-mining-calculator/?h=12900.00&p=1365&pc=0.05&pf=2.00&d=209453158595.38100000&r=12.50000000&er=638.00000000&hc=0.00
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June 24, 2016, 01:41:20 AM
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According to coinwarz.com calculations
My weekly profit after July 09/2016(Bitcoin Halving) is:
56.32 usd x 52 weeks= 2928 Usd ( If I go with weekly calculations,bitcoin difficulty, and bitcoin price  stay same.)

Yet 2928 Usd does not include hardware cost.Therefore I will be break even after a year. If bitcoin price stay same, bitcoin difficulty stay same as well.
Can you check the numbers and let me know if I'm missing anything.

If I have a Antminer s9
Hash Rate is : 12900 ghs
Power watts: 1275+%7= 1365 watts
power cost:10 cents
pool fee: 2%
Bitcoin difficulty: 209453158595.38100
Block REward:12.5 After July 09/ 2016
Bitcoin Usd:638 june 22/2016
Cost of hardware:2100 usd+ power supply+ shipping=Around 3000Usd

Link is Below
http://www.coinwarz.com/calculators/bitcoin-mining-calculator/?h=12900.00&p=1365&pc=0.05&pf=2.00&d=209453158595.38100000&r=12.50000000&er=638.00000000&hc=0.00

Here's your problem:
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power cost:10 cents

This variable will almost certainly go up over time:
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Bitcoin Usd:638
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June 24, 2016, 01:53:12 AM
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Has anyone else seen UPS wackiness such as this? My package was originally planning to be here (the U.S.) today, but delayed a day due to customs stuff... now it seems like it's taking a boat trip around asia.... WTH  Huh And UPS is still projecting a delivery of tomorrow on the east coast. LOL

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June 24, 2016, 02:06:29 AM
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yep. Only dif is that I checked yesterday and saw I had to pay US Customs/broker fee of $46.85 to clear for delivery. Then I checked earlier this evening and saw mine went to Korea before heading here. WTF? I've never seen UPS use this route before...

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yep. Only dif is that I checked yesterday and saw I had to pay US Customs/broker fee of $46.85 to clear for delivery. Then I checked earlier this evening and saw mine went to Korea before heading here. WTF? I've never seen UPS use this route before...
I've seen packages take the long way around, they do it when there is congestion at the ports or a large volume of packages going on the same route.
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June 24, 2016, 03:16:03 AM
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my secondary account.  I am philipma1957

gear came .  fees for 2 units = 89 usd

could be worse.  I think I won't ask many questions for the time being.
That is on par with what I paid today to clear my single B3 miner. I asked the UPS agent for a breakdoen and it was a total of $46.86  mostly Customs duty and something like $3-4 for the UPS brokerage fee to process the Customs duty and import clearance.

Either the import thresholds have changed or the miner is mis-marked for shipping code.

I'd have to look up the exact code but is supposed to be for:
    Electronic equipment, computer, no terminal or display
or something like that.

It also took an odd hop in Japan -- usual route is Shenzhen > Osaka > Anchorage > etc.
This time it arrived in Narita first but then left from Osaka. Er? A bit of a trek there.

FYI, I wrote to Bitmain about this and they claim that they haven't changed the shipping codes. The implication is that it's the dollar figure triggering the difference, or UPS has gotten gready.

The fact that every S9 was in excess of $2k while every S7 was under ($1.8k I think) leads me to think that we're in that gray area that Phil indicated where anything north of $2k might be interpreted as commercial and hence subject to duty.

I'm going to take this up with UPS, but I doubt it will change anything.

Bitmain needs to understand that the $2k threshold has an impact on the US market. They should return to pricing that's more sane.

They've been especially greedy this time. They probably would have made much more money if they had priced the S9 lower, assuming that they could fill the unit demand.

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June 24, 2016, 03:28:59 AM
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well I got the four running.

2 are running on the 4k 2x dps-2000 psu's

1 is running on an evga  1600 p2

1 is running on optimizer's newer designed  breakout board for the dps-1600, dps-2000 , dps-2500  psu's

so far all four are doing well with bigger gable fan.

Some thoughts you need  need  good air circulation if the area is warm.  the fans are on 90%   and we have the big 1600cfm gable fan.  I will bring a kill a watt meter for the gable fan.

we are running 60-65 pcb and 90-95 chip  on all boards.

the batch 1's are at freq 575
the batch 2's are at freq 600

ambient temps were 85f today in the barn

I am going back to setup that older s-7 batch one  and will add more fans as push behind the  intakes.

I still think these need a little more pop then the s-7s' in a psu.
I also hope to get really good fall numbers with these units.


And I will not buy another until they drop under 1800 shipped

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