Bitmain's Released Antminer S9, World's First 16nm Miner Ready to Order

[Sackl]

Just got an E-mail from Bitmain.
New Coupons for every March Batch :

Dear customer,
 
Thank you very much for your purchase of our products. 
This email is to inform you that we will issue coupons for the follow batches
 
•   Customers who have purchased and fully paid the following two batches of S9 miner on our website (https://shop.bitmain.com/) will tentatively receive a 250USD coupon for each miner purchased.
1.   Previous batch with retail price 1915USD  Antminer S9
2.   Previous batch with retail price 2000USD  Antminer S9 with PSU
•   Customers who have purchased and fully paid the following five batches of T9+ miner on our website (https://shop.bitmain.com/) before will tentatively receive a 400USD coupon for each miner purchased.
1.   Previous batch with retail price 2095USD  Antminer T9 +
2.   Previous batch with retail price 2008USD  Antminer T9 +
3.   Previous batch with retail price 1958USD  Antminer T9 +
4.   Previous batch with retail price 1235USD  Antminer T9 +
5.   Previous batch with retail price 1320USD  Antminer T9 + with PSU
•   Customers who have purchased and fully paid the following batch of L3+ miner on our website (https://shop.bitmain.com/) before will tentatively receive a 100USD coupon for each miner purchased.
1.   Previous batch with retail price 1396USD Antminer L3+
 
Please note that,
1.   The coupons will be released starting from 1 April. It will take 3-5 business days and can be applied to new purchases of S9, L3+, T9+, V9, D3, A3 and X3.
2.   The Coupons will not be issued in cash and cannot be exchanged for cash. It can only be used to deduct the payment amount when you purchase our miners through https://shop.bitmain.com/
3.   More than one Coupon cannot be used for the purchase of one miner.
4.   During the purchase process, once the Coupon has been selected and the order has been submitted, the Coupon is deemed to have been used and cannot be used again, even if such an order is not fully paid.
5.   Coupons can be transferred to other users’ accounts on www.bitmain.com.
6.   The amount deducted by the use of a Coupon or Coupons cannot be invoiced.
 
Thank you for your continuous support and we look forward to receiving your orders soon.
 
Best regards,
The Bitmain Team

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[Sackl]

Good question seems like final sell out of these units.

[Sackl]

Well price is dropping and waves of coupons.
But it's only my humble opinion 

[rifleman74]

In my opinion, there is nothing that gives any indication that a new SHA-256 miner, better than the S9, is anywhere near release date.

Correct on release date.  But it's definitely mining right now.

[rifleman74]

In my opinion, there is nothing that gives any indication that a new SHA-256 miner, better than the S9, is anywhere near release date.

Correct on release date.  But it's definitely mining right now.

Evidence please?

Evidence?  Do you know how business works?  I'm quite sure Bitmain isn't following your example by not testing future equipment.

Rung along kiddo, the grown-ups are talking now.




PS, research AsicBoost, pools would only implement it if........yes.......wait for it.....compliant miners were mining at their pools.

[rifleman74]

In my opinion, there is nothing that gives any indication that a new SHA-256 miner, better than the S9, is anywhere near release date.

Correct on release date.  But it's definitely mining right now.

Evidence please?

Evidence?  Do you know how business works?  I'm quite sure Bitmain isn't following your example by not testing future equipment.

Rung along kiddo, the grown-ups are talking now.




PS, research AsicBoost, pools would only implement it if........yes.......wait for it.....compliant miners were mining at their pools.

1) Didn't answer question
2) Resorted to insults.

I rest my case your honour.

N.B. At no point did I state that Bitmain does not test future products.

Actually, the question was answered, you just didn't get the answer you wanted.   You can't have your way all of the time.   

And yes you did inherently state that Bitmain does not test future products, again read up on Asicboost, even though that's not part of the answer you're wanting to know.

[rifleman74]

Are you just looking for an argument, no matter what the subject?

I asked for actual evidence of a new, improved top tier SHA-256 miner.  All I see is waffle and conjecture.

You sir, have provided none.  I asked the question, therefore I can be as specific as I like.

Some of us can see things and can make 2+2 = 4 without being given the answer...you unfortunately do not possess that capability.

Enjoy your waffles and french toast.

[lossol]

Wow, so many S9s for sale everywhere! So many miners for sale from the handful of manufacturers too. If you bought a month or a week ago, you got screwed as they are all starting to drop their prices back down to where they were 6 months ago. Bitmain been dropping theirs every few weeks now. And they have so many miners available at different price points too.

[rifleman74]

I'll ask you one more time, for the sake of charity.

What evidence is there that there is a SHA-256 top tier miner being released, to rival the S9?

I won't be making any more posts in response to your good self in this topic anymore.

Hypothetical situation, or is it?


"Hi I'm a pool operator for a mining pool who has been asked by MORE THAN ONE ASIC PRODUCER, to specifically add code for a new, unreleased miner."   Now why on earth would anyone do that BEFORE a new miner is produced/released?  


THINGS THAT MAKE YOU GO HMMMMMMMMMMM.


Houston, we have a problem.

[xuy]

I sent a few miners to Bitmain in LA for repair last December. I paid BTC per request. Then they asked me to pay BCH after 2 weeks and they said they would refund BTC. Ok I paid BCH. After 3 months they still have not sent the miners back as they promised the miners would be send out within 7 working days. I wonder whether it's only me having this issue or it's typical for repair.

Obviously Bitmain is dumping all the miners and they don't care about the service any more. Dealing with these Chinese companies is really painful. No wonder people would rather pay more on eBay for miners, instead of dealing with Bitmain directly.

[The Demon Slick]

I sent a few miners to Bitmain in LA for repair last December. I paid BTC per request. Then they asked me to pay BCH after 2 weeks and they said they would refund BTC. Ok I paid BCH. After 3 months they still have not sent the miners back as they promised the miners would be send out within 7 working days. I wonder whether it's only me having this issue or it's typical for repair.

Obviously Bitmain is dumping all the miners and they don't care about the service any more. Dealing with these Chinese companies is really painful. No wonder people would rather pay more on eBay for miners, instead of dealing with Bitmain directly.

1850 USD w/psu, it's actually cheaper right now to buy on ebag from a US shipper if you're in the US, no customs.

And Phillipma if you're around, the changes are making the s9 more profitable than my gpus for the moment, although that will probably change again.

[CryptoSuperPanda]

Guys, I am confused 

Antminer S9 14 TH/s batch is already sold out...like in 1 day.

What I don't get is why the demand is so high 

Look:

1) BTC is currently trading $8500
2) Antminer S9 14 TH/s price with APW3++ is $1864. With delivery costs and taxes that's about $2000
3) Antminer S9 currently produces about 0.001 BTC per day. That's 0,03 BTC per month. Taking into account difficulty growth Antminer S9 will produce during its life 0,03 BTC * (1 + Monthly difficulty growth) / Monthly difficulty growth (since its infinitely decreasing geometric progression)
4) Average monthly difficulty growth
- in 2017 was 17%
- in 1Q 2018 is 23%
5) So with let's say 18% monthly difficulty growth Antminer S9 will produce 0,03 BTC * (1 + 18%) / 18% = 0,197 BTC during its life
6) But now for the cost of equipment ($2000) you can buy $2000 / $8500 = 0,235 BTC

So you can get 0,235 BTC now or buy ASIC and get 0,197 BTC in like 2-3 years.

Whats the point? Why are people buying Mining equipment now?

Maybe I am wrong somewhere?

I don't account for transactions conformation fee. Is it large? How much in fees you get for one Antminer S9?

[kobo_eth]

Guys, I am confused  

Antminer S9 14 TH/s batch is already sold out...like in 1 day.

What I don't get is why the demand is so high  

Look:

1) BTC is currently trading $8500
2) Antminer S9 14 TH/s price with APW3++ is $1864. With delivery costs and taxes that's about $2000
3) Antminer S9 currently produces about 0.001 BTC per day. That's 0,03 BTC per month. Taking into account difficulty growth Antminer S9 will produce during its life 0,03 BTC * (1 + Monthly difficulty growth) / Monthly difficulty growth (since its infinitely decreasing geometric progression)
4) Average monthly difficulty growth
- in 2017 was 17%
- in 1Q 2018 is 23%
5) So with let's say 18% monthly difficulty growth Antminer S9 will produce 0,03 BTC * (1 + 18%) / 18% = 0,197 BTC during its life
6) But now for the cost of equipment ($2000) you can buy $2000 / $8500 = 0,235 BTC

So you can get 0,235 BTC now or buy ASIC and get 0,197 BTC in like 2-3 years.

Whats the point? Why are people buying Mining equipment now?

Maybe I am wrong somewhere?

I don't account for transactions conformation fee. Is it large? How much in fees you get for one Antminer S9?

Per     Pool Fee           Est. Rewards   Rev. BTC   Rev. $   Cost            Profit


Month 0.000000   0.031014           0.031014   $259.15   $98.64    $160.51
Year     0.000000   0.377333           0.377333   $3,153.00   $1,200.12    $1,952.88

With 2k USD today you can buy 0.23770460 BTC and sell is when it raises with 1,952.88 usd so that you can be happy you got more than miners will ever do for an year

[CrypotoCreanis]

Guys, I am confused  

Antminer S9 14 TH/s batch is already sold out...like in 1 day.

What I don't get is why the demand is so high  

Look:

1) BTC is currently trading $8500
2) Antminer S9 14 TH/s price with APW3++ is $1864. With delivery costs and taxes that's about $2000
3) Antminer S9 currently produces about 0.001 BTC per day. That's 0,03 BTC per month. Taking into account difficulty growth Antminer S9 will produce during its life 0,03 BTC * (1 + Monthly difficulty growth) / Monthly difficulty growth (since its infinitely decreasing geometric progression)
4) Average monthly difficulty growth
- in 2017 was 17%
- in 1Q 2018 is 23%
5) So with let's say 18% monthly difficulty growth Antminer S9 will produce 0,03 BTC * (1 + 18%) / 18% = 0,197 BTC during its life
6) But now for the cost of equipment ($2000) you can buy $2000 / $8500 = 0,235 BTC

So you can get 0,235 BTC now or buy ASIC and get 0,197 BTC in like 2-3 years.

Whats the point? Why are people buying Mining equipment now?

Maybe I am wrong somewhere?

I don't account for transactions conformation fee. Is it large? How much in fees you get for one Antminer S9?

Per     Pool Fee           Est. Rewards   Rev. BTC   Rev. $   Cost            Profit


Month 0.000000   0.031014           0.031014   $259.15   $98.64    $160.51
Year     0.000000   0.377333           0.377333   $3,153.00   $1,200.12    $1,952.88

With 2k USD today you can buy 0.23770460 BTC and sell is when it raises with 1,952.88 usd so that you can be happy you got more than miners will ever do for an year

Because you are not taking into account the resale value of the miner. While it is going down a little every day, IT IS NOT 0.

[Mousem40]

So has anyone adjusted their Bmminer to activate AsicBoost on AntPool?

[rifleman74]

Its funny reading the posts in this forum, where people state there is an upper tier SHA-256 miner, better than the S9 already mining, prior to being sold.

They never provide any proof.  Sometimes they make claims that pool operators are being asked to alter code.  Once again NOT PROOF!

Sniff, sniff.  I smell FUD.

http://news.8btc.com/bitmain-order-manufactured-by-tsmc-nanjing-fab-volume-production-in-may

Why don't you fly to China to check it out for yourself?  Oh that's right, you want everything spoon fed to you.   

[cryptoaddiction]

I too bought 10 units a few weeks ago for 2500 shipped each after all said, and done. Then they sold 14th models for 1800+ with PSU! I am really pissed off, and I can't even sell my unit to break even, and it will take 13-14 months just to cover the cost of the miner even with my per KW rate is .06 cents and no rent.

I feel like the only option now is to run them..don't really want to sell for a loss, when they are brand new, and just arrived.

[mustangy]

Question: Looking for S9/841 boards without heat sinks and main control boards.  Don't need anything else.  Does anyone have a resource that you could point me to for this?
Thanks in advance,

would you please be more clear never heard of without heat sinks

[latoxine34]

I too bought 10 units a few weeks ago for 2500 shipped each after all said, and done. Then they sold 14th models for 1800+ with PSU! I am really pissed off, and I can't even sell my unit to break even, and it will take 13-14 months just to cover the cost of the miner even with my per KW rate is .06 cents and no rent.

I feel like the only option now is to run them..don't really want to sell for a loss, when they are brand new, and just arrived.

yes, I agree, it's really annoying. let's hope new model is not coming soon.

[FUTUR4]

Hi everybody! What do you think about the mining in 2018?

Manufacturers of popular cards raise prices very much.
Maybe this will be the impetus for new video card manufacturers to enter the market?