Is Gulden a good investment?

[AndreasK]

I wanted to ask the developers how this privacy is different from anonymous coins, but ann is locked

3. Accounts and Privacy

Gulden for Desktop now uses accounts which you can add to serve different purposes. We have 2 different account creation types.

* Normal Accounts
* Mobile Accounts – which enables the link feature between your desktop and mobile device.

The additional privacy comes in for both deposits and withdrawals.

* Gulden deposits:
Gulden for desktop wallets will use a different Gulden address each time you receive Gulden, this way the depositors will have no way of knowing who else is sending you Gulden to your wallet.
Note: A depositor can continue to use the address you gave them for multiple deposits.

* Gulden withdrawals:
With accounts you can separate your payments depending on it’s intended use without the recipients of your Gulden knowing what other transactions your doing from within your wallet.
eg. You can have 1 account for family transactions and another for business transactions.

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[MaNI]

I wanted to ask the developers how this privacy is different from anonymous coins, but ann is locked

3. Accounts and Privacy

Gulden for Desktop now uses accounts which you can add to serve different purposes. We have 2 different account creation types.

* Normal Accounts
* Mobile Accounts – which enables the link feature between your desktop and mobile device.

The additional privacy comes in for both deposits and withdrawals.

* Gulden deposits:
Gulden for desktop wallets will use a different Gulden address each time you receive Gulden, this way the depositors will have no way of knowing who else is sending you Gulden to your wallet.
Note: A depositor can continue to use the address you gave them for multiple deposits.

* Gulden withdrawals:
With accounts you can separate your payments depending on it’s intended use without the recipients of your Gulden knowing what other transactions your doing from within your wallet.
eg. You can have 1 account for family transactions and another for business transactions.

Hi, what is being talked about here is just that the accounts are 'physically' separated from one another, and don't ever exchange funds without you willingly choosing to do so.

This is not the whole anonymous thing that the anonymous coins are trying to do, which is more about transactions on the block chain being 100% untraceable under any circumstance.
While I find some of that 'interesting' from an academic perspective - I don't personally believe it is something that the average person wants or needs, and think it is probably a hindrance to mainstream adoption in various ways. Gulden's goal remains on the mainstream so this is not something that is anywhere in our current plans.

If I have two accounts "Private" and "Work" and use the one only to deal with my work customers and the other to only deal with my private contacts then my work contacts can't snoop on what payments I've been doing using my private wallet - as there are no (or little) block chain links between them.
i.e. basic privacy expectations that regular day people might have, but up until now haven't had with a standard wallet. (Unless they use multiple wallets - or coin control but nobody is actually disciplined enough to do that right)

Hope the above makes sense to you.

[AndreasK]

I wanted to ask the developers how this privacy is different from anonymous coins, but ann is locked

3. Accounts and Privacy

Gulden for Desktop now uses accounts which you can add to serve different purposes. We have 2 different account creation types.

* Normal Accounts
* Mobile Accounts – which enables the link feature between your desktop and mobile device.

The additional privacy comes in for both deposits and withdrawals.

* Gulden deposits:
Gulden for desktop wallets will use a different Gulden address each time you receive Gulden, this way the depositors will have no way of knowing who else is sending you Gulden to your wallet.
Note: A depositor can continue to use the address you gave them for multiple deposits.

* Gulden withdrawals:
With accounts you can separate your payments depending on it’s intended use without the recipients of your Gulden knowing what other transactions your doing from within your wallet.
eg. You can have 1 account for family transactions and another for business transactions.

Hi, what is being talked about here is just that the accounts are 'physically' separated from one another, and don't ever exchange funds without you willingly choosing to do so.

This is not the whole anonymous thing that the anonymous coins are trying to do, which is more about transactions on the block chain being 100% untraceable under any circumstance.
While I find some of that 'interesting' from an academic perspective - I don't personally believe it is something that the average person wants or needs, and think it is probably a hindrance to mainstream adoption in various ways. Gulden's goal remains on the mainstream so this is not something that is anywhere in our current plans.

If I have two accounts "Private" and "Work" and use the one only to deal with my work customers and the other to only deal with my private contacts then my work contacts can't snoop on what payments I've been doing using my private wallet - as there are no (or little) block chain links between them.
i.e. basic privacy expectations that regular day people might have, but up until now haven't had with a standard wallet. (Unless they use multiple wallets - or coin control but nobody is actually disciplined enough to do that right)

Hope the above makes sense to you.

Thanks for taking the time to answer. This is perfect solution for me, any reason why main ann locked?

[gamersea]

I believe the official topic is only open during certain times (when the mod is awake) to avoid the annoying trolling that is going on on Bitcointalk.  Keeping it clean and civil is the purpose.

[RodgerRabbit]

Lol you're such a pleasant guy, crypto_beast, I think I'll keep replying just to keep our conversation going. Maybe between insulting me and discussing my butt related health issues you can find the time to provide a link or description of how this feature actually works.

The update was too good for exchanges like Poloniex to add the coin. They butthurt because no media attention given to this update. lol

Yes it's exchange listings that make a coin great or not, some people are not playing with a full deck of cards.

[Dashltc]

Lol you're such a pleasant guy, crypto_beast, I think I'll keep replying just to keep our conversation going. Maybe between insulting me and discussing my butt related health issues you can find the time to provide a link or description of how this feature actually works.

The update was too good for exchanges like Poloniex to add the coin. They butthurt because no media attention given to this update. lol

Yes it's exchange listings that make a coin great or not, some people are not playing with a full deck of cards.

The powers that be are doing their best not to show any attention to Gulden for now.

[bram_vnl]

Most User-Friendly Crypto? Gulden User Experience Streamlined in Major Update
https://cointelegraph.com/news/most-user-friendly-crypto-gulden-user-experience-streamlined-in-major-update

[blackhawk101]

Lol you're such a pleasant guy, crypto_beast, I think I'll keep replying just to keep our conversation going. Maybe between insulting me and discussing my butt related health issues you can find the time to provide a link or description of how this feature actually works.

The update was too good for exchanges like Poloniex to add the coin. They butthurt because no media attention given to this update. lol

Yes it's exchange listings that make a coin great or not, some people are not playing with a full deck of cards.

The powers that be are doing their best not to show any attention to Gulden for now.

Who would the powers be?

[Danslip]

Most User-Friendly Crypto? Gulden User Experience Streamlined in Major Update
https://cointelegraph.com/news/most-user-friendly-crypto-gulden-user-experience-streamlined-in-major-update

40 000 users and 165 btc in buy support. Rich community.

[Myraidcoins]

Lol you're such a pleasant guy, crypto_beast, I think I'll keep replying just to keep our conversation going. Maybe between insulting me and discussing my butt related health issues you can find the time to provide a link or description of how this feature actually works.

Why would I do that? It is far more amusing to see you continue to pull incorrect guesses out of your rear end.
Maybe next you will tell us about how it is implemented using carrier pigeons?

@crypto_beast are you able to confirm the work done on Gulden source code like you did for digibyte(Well the work digibyte claimed they did but didn't) . I want to make sure the devs are being honest.

[SuperOrca]

40 000 users and 165 btc in buy support. Rich community.

Users not traders, not the sharpest tool in the shed are you mate?

Traders are not going to put all the btc they have into the buy orders. We want to get the lowest prices possible, there is a forced push down of the price on bittrex which will bottom out at about 2000 sat because at 2000 sat I will buy a lot up to dump on the next price rise. Users don't trade and can't influence the price, traders hold all the keys to price and if the devs keep producing traders will make sure to pump the price before each project.

[Dutchyyy]

40 000 users and 165 btc in buy support. Rich community.

Users not traders, not the sharpest tool in the shed are you mate?

Traders are not going to put all the btc they have into the buy orders. We want to get the lowest prices possible, there is a forced push down of the price on bittrex which will bottom out at about 2500 sat because at 2500 sat I will buy a lot up to dump on the next price rise. Users don't trade and can't influence the price, traders hold all the keys to price and if the devs keep producing traders will make sure to pump the price before each project.

Yes!! This is the price I want to buy in again. I was about to give up and walkaway but now the dump is finally here!!

[Svener]

I wanted to ask the developers how this privacy is different from anonymous coins, but ann is locked

3. Accounts and Privacy

Gulden for Desktop now uses accounts which you can add to serve different purposes. We have 2 different account creation types.

* Normal Accounts
* Mobile Accounts – which enables the link feature between your desktop and mobile device.

The additional privacy comes in for both deposits and withdrawals.

* Gulden deposits:
Gulden for desktop wallets will use a different Gulden address each time you receive Gulden, this way the depositors will have no way of knowing who else is sending you Gulden to your wallet.
Note: A depositor can continue to use the address you gave them for multiple deposits.

* Gulden withdrawals:
With accounts you can separate your payments depending on it’s intended use without the recipients of your Gulden knowing what other transactions your doing from within your wallet.
eg. You can have 1 account for family transactions and another for business transactions.

Hi, what is being talked about here is just that the accounts are 'physically' separated from one another, and don't ever exchange funds without you willingly choosing to do so.

This is not the whole anonymous thing that the anonymous coins are trying to do, which is more about transactions on the block chain being 100% untraceable under any circumstance.
While I find some of that 'interesting' from an academic perspective - I don't personally believe it is something that the average person wants or needs, and think it is probably a hindrance to mainstream adoption in various ways. Gulden's goal remains on the mainstream so this is not something that is anywhere in our current plans.

If I have two accounts "Private" and "Work" and use the one only to deal with my work customers and the other to only deal with my private contacts then my work contacts can't snoop on what payments I've been doing using my private wallet - as there are no (or little) block chain links between them.
i.e. basic privacy expectations that regular day people might have, but up until now haven't had with a standard wallet. (Unless they use multiple wallets - or coin control but nobody is actually disciplined enough to do that right)

Hope the above makes sense to you.

MaNI I want to say massive respect to you and your team, I almost couldn't believe I was opening up a crypto wallet when opening up 1.6.0 for the first time. I like the freedom accounts give you and the link feature from Android to desktop is revolutionary. Thank YOU!!

For the bad news the traders are behaving the way I expected and disrespecting your teams development, if you could let the traders take over the coin and let them fuck around with it and start a new Gulden and only have users swap. There is no denying your teams development skills and it's unfair a handful of whales are stamping all over your work.

Wow, the absolute trash in this thread is just disgusting, and then people wonder why we want nothing to do with bitcointalk, what an absolute pit of filth.

I'm going to comment here, just this once, to clear up some things, don't bother replying as I'm putting this thread on ignore when I'm done - I don't need BS distractions like this.

@Svener and everybody else suggesting ridiculous things - we are not going to do any of the things you are suggesting, so please stop disrespecting us with these crappy fake rumours.
We are quite happy with where we are with the coin that we are currently working really hard on building, we are NOT going to do some dodgy hair brained scheme just because you have suddenly dreamed it up and we are certainly not going to go and join some other coin either. What the hell is wrong with you people.

@The various 'criptoe' members - the only people 'dragging' you into this is yourselves, please just -piss off- and go deal with your own coins, you've done more than enough damage now. If it has Gulden in it -just don't read it- there you go simple, done. (But thats not what you want is it - you've actually been aching for an excuse to stir shit)
We don't stalk you around constantly causing trouble, so what exactly is your problem? Maybe focus some of your energy into actually working on your own coin(s) that seem in desperate need of it...

@The various sock puppets from digibyte and other fake coins, that keep suggesting that 1.6.0 is fake - sorry to disappoint, but this is one if not the only real projects in Crypto and you are going to be bawling your eyes out when 1.6.0 comes out shortly. Just because everything -you- are involved with is a scam does not mean that we work in the same way.

@The few legitimate people reading this thread, please just ignore all the pathetic FUD orchestrated by this tiny group of people.

MaNI, I am saying your team deserves better. How you going to feel when these guys push the price under 2000 to spite your team and prove their psycho point they have the power to control the market. I don't expect you to reply and I won't say anything further until after 1.6.0 and we see what they do.

[Dutchyyy]

24kilo was right about the price. Love you 24kilo! I am back into Gulden!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now that I have coins I am going to test new wallet.

[Reallist]

I want to tell the developers the price drop is no reflection of the great update you have made. Traders are cruel at times and this might be a reason why developers give up and go full scam. I think greed from traders is what turns potential good developers away from crypto and I encourage Gulden devs not to give up after this.

[MaNI]

MaNI I want to say massive respect to you and your team, I almost couldn't believe I was opening up a crypto wallet when opening up 1.6.0 for the first time. I like the freedom accounts give you and the link feature from Android to desktop is revolutionary. Thank YOU!!

Thanks.

For the bad news the traders are behaving the way I expected and disrespecting your teams development, if you could let the traders take over the coin and let them fuck around with it and start a new Gulden and only have users swap. There is no denying your teams development skills and it's unfair a handful of whales are stamping all over your work.

I'm not sure where you ever got the impression that anything in life is fair. It isn't, life is a constant struggle, anything of worth that anyone ever accomplished was done through blood sweat and tears.

There are no easy solutions, these 'cheap' ideas like coin swaps or new coins solve nothing, all doing such a thing would show is that the team has no backbone and will happily ditch something when things don't go our way, is it this sort of thinking (your sort of thinking) that is exactly what is wrong with the crypto scene - nobody is prepared to stand for anything any more.

That traders have 'won' this round is sad, I am sorry it has happened (mostly for the people who will have lost money as a result), though not surprised, people should be in less of a rush to push the price up. they should place buy support instead of buying at high prices, they should think long term, until this mentality becomes more normal traders will continue to win. But focusing on this is silly and only half the picture, thinking about price is small minded and way too short term.

We end the year with a better product, with more users than we have ever had before, with a large real community of real nice people who aren't price obsessed and aren't part of the normal toxic crypto crowd, with enough funding to continue our good development into the new year. The low price will make it easier to attract new users, and we have the product to do it. These are the things that matter, this is what the dev team cares about, the current price today, that is not significant to us.

So no, we will not behave like a bunch of spineless cowards like you suggest and perform some silly 'coin swap' or other nonsense, we will carry on doing exactly what we already are, we will stand for something and stand behind our product. We will continue to build something one bloody step at a time, the way things are always done in the real world, nothing worthwhile ever comes easily.
You should snap out of this toxic mindset and come join us on slack where we are building something real.

Eventually we will have so many users that the price will rise legitimately to a point that these current traders will become irrelevant, a long forgotten memory, other than the fact that they will be here, whinging that they sold out too soon, this is what happens to all short sighted people in the end.

[Digithusiast]

It is extremely sad to see different coin-supporters fighting eachother,
and to have traders manipulating the market to make a quick buck,
at the same time wrecking the chances of worldwide mainstream growth in crypto.

The goal of crypto was to get out of the manipulative and corrupt financial system based on fiat currency.
Currently a small group within the crypto community is acting like the manipulative and corrupt financial system itself.

Gulden is a great coin backed by a great team.
And there are many other great coins like Gulden, moving forward with positive intentions.
Coins should be welcoming new features, innovations and progress presented by fellow coins.
It is totally stupid to damage the image of other coins and their marketvalue,
trying to protect an imaginary market position of another coin.
In the long run no single crypto coin will benefit from this.
It only damages the name of crypto as a whole.

A few weeks ago many citizens in The Netherlands read about Gulden in the media.
Many of them liked it and joined; new eager crypto users spending their fiat money and buying coins for the first time.
Shortly after that Gulden was a dump-target by traders and/or other coin-supporters.

Quickly the media jumped on it, emphasizing the risk and volatility of crypto.
The new Gulden users and those who were thinking about buying, have been effectivily scared and burned their hands.
But the main effect is these people and those reading the negative media coverage, will not invest in nor buy any crypto coin in future.
And this effect is solely caused by people from within the crypto world, attacking one of their own crypto coins.
You are only scaring new users away, while crypto should focus on growth in usernumbers.

Gulden will not be stopped by bringing its value down.
In only 6 months time the small Gulden community funded 508 BTC for development ( https://shares.gulden.com/ ),
so development will continue for a long time, regardless of market value manipulation.

If the disruptive forces within the crypto world would just stop the sabotage,
crypto could become a really great thing.

[Reallist]

MaNI I want to say massive respect to you and your team, I almost couldn't believe I was opening up a crypto wallet when opening up 1.6.0 for the first time. I like the freedom accounts give you and the link feature from Android to desktop is revolutionary. Thank YOU!!

Thanks.

For the bad news the traders are behaving the way I expected and disrespecting your teams development, if you could let the traders take over the coin and let them fuck around with it and start a new Gulden and only have users swap. There is no denying your teams development skills and it's unfair a handful of whales are stamping all over your work.

I'm not sure where you ever got the impression that anything in life is fair. It isn't, life is a constant struggle, anything of worth that anyone ever accomplished was done through blood sweat and tears.

There are no easy solutions, these 'cheap' ideas like coin swaps or new coins solve nothing, all doing such a thing would show is that the team has no backbone and will happily ditch something when things don't go our way, is it this sort of thinking (your sort of thinking) that is exactly what is wrong with the crypto scene - nobody is prepared to stand for anything any more.

That traders have 'won' this round is sad, I am sorry it has happened (mostly for the people who will have lost money as a result), though not surprised, people should be in less of a rush to push the price up. they should place buy support instead of buying at high prices, they should think long term, until this mentality becomes more normal traders will continue to win. But focusing on this is silly and only half the picture, thinking about price is small minded and way too short term.

We end the year with a better product, with more users than we have ever had before, with a large real community of real nice people who aren't price obsessed and aren't part of the normal toxic crypto crowd, with enough funding to continue our good development into the new year. The low price will make it easier to attract new users, and we have the product to do it. These are the things that matter, this is what the dev team cares about, the current price today, that is not significant to us.

So no, we will not behave like a bunch of spineless cowards like you suggest and perform some silly 'coin swap' or other nonsense, we will carry on doing exactly what we already are, we will stand for something and stand behind our product. We will continue to build something one bloody step at a time, the way things are always done in the real world, nothing worthwhile ever comes easily.
You should snap out of this toxic mindset and come join us on slack where we are building something real.

Eventually we will have so many users that the price will rise legitimately to a point that these current traders will become irrelevant, a long forgotten memory, other than the fact that they will be here, whinging that they sold out too soon, this is what happens to all short sighted people in the end.

 

This feedback will give a lot of long term investors confidence, I look forward to another good year for Gulden!

[Dashltc]

It is extremely sad to see different coin-supporters fighting eachother,
and to have traders manipulating the market to make a quick buck,
at the same time wrecking the chances of worldwide mainstream growth in crypto.

The goal of crypto was to get out of the manipulative and corrupt financial system based on fiat currency.
Currently a small group within the crypto community is acting like the manipulative and corrupt financial system itself.

Gulden is a great coin backed by a great team.
And there are many other great coins like Gulden, moving forward with positive intentions.
Coins should be welcoming new features, innovations and progress presented by fellow coins.
It is totally stupid to damage the image of other coins and their marketvalue,
trying to protect an imaginary market position of another coin.
In the long run no single crypto coin will benefit from this.
It only damages the name of crypto as a whole.

A few weeks ago many citizens in The Netherlands read about Gulden in the media.
Many of them liked it and joined; new eager crypto users spending their fiat money and buying coins for the first time.
Shortly after that Gulden was a dump-target by traders and/or other coin-supporters.

Quickly the media jumped on it, emphasizing the risk and volatility of crypto.
The new Gulden users and those who were thinking about buying, have been effectivily scared and burned their hands.
But the main effect is these people and those reading the negative media coverage, will not invest in nor buy any crypto coin in future.
And this effect is solely caused by people from within the crypto world, attacking one of their own crypto coins.
You are only scaring new users away, while crypto should focus on growth in usernumbers.

Gulden will not be stopped by bringing its value down.
In only 6 months time the small Gulden community funded 508 BTC for development ( https://shares.gulden.com/ ),
so development will continue for a long time, regardless of market value manipulation.

If the disruptive forces within the crypto world would just stop the sabotage,
crypto could become a really great thing.

It wouldn't surprise me if it's XMR backers pushing the price down, they mess with Dash all the time but Dash is fortunate enough to have investors like the guys from Dollar Vigilante that can soak any attempts by XMR to smash the price permanently. Gulden hasn't got this kind of investment fire power "yet" but it will come, only a matter of time.

Your post is exactly why crypto "could" fail because banks will have more confidence from people then traders killing off a project due to jealousy, greed and other reasons.

[blackhawk101]

MaNI I want to say massive respect to you and your team, I almost couldn't believe I was opening up a crypto wallet when opening up 1.6.0 for the first time. I like the freedom accounts give you and the link feature from Android to desktop is revolutionary. Thank YOU!!

Thanks.

For the bad news the traders are behaving the way I expected and disrespecting your teams development, if you could let the traders take over the coin and let them fuck around with it and start a new Gulden and only have users swap. There is no denying your teams development skills and it's unfair a handful of whales are stamping all over your work.

I'm not sure where you ever got the impression that anything in life is fair. It isn't, life is a constant struggle, anything of worth that anyone ever accomplished was done through blood sweat and tears.

There are no easy solutions, these 'cheap' ideas like coin swaps or new coins solve nothing, all doing such a thing would show is that the team has no backbone and will happily ditch something when things don't go our way, is it this sort of thinking (your sort of thinking) that is exactly what is wrong with the crypto scene - nobody is prepared to stand for anything any more.

That traders have 'won' this round is sad, I am sorry it has happened (mostly for the people who will have lost money as a result), though not surprised, people should be in less of a rush to push the price up. they should place buy support instead of buying at high prices, they should think long term, until this mentality becomes more normal traders will continue to win. But focusing on this is silly and only half the picture, thinking about price is small minded and way too short term.

We end the year with a better product, with more users than we have ever had before, with a large real community of real nice people who aren't price obsessed and aren't part of the normal toxic crypto crowd, with enough funding to continue our good development into the new year. The low price will make it easier to attract new users, and we have the product to do it. These are the things that matter, this is what the dev team cares about, the current price today, that is not significant to us.

So no, we will not behave like a bunch of spineless cowards like you suggest and perform some silly 'coin swap' or other nonsense, we will carry on doing exactly what we already are, we will stand for something and stand behind our product. We will continue to build something one bloody step at a time, the way things are always done in the real world, nothing worthwhile ever comes easily.
You should snap out of this toxic mindset and come join us on slack where we are building something real.

Eventually we will have so many users that the price will rise legitimately to a point that these current traders will become irrelevant, a long forgotten memory, other than the fact that they will be here, whinging that they sold out too soon, this is what happens to all short sighted people in the end.

 

This feedback will give a lot of long term investors confidence, I look forward to another good year for Gulden!

MOOOOON !!!!