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March 13, 2013, 08:56:55 AM
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From what I've seen of Josh Blue LukeJr on stage, I don't think he should be in procession of sharp objects.

Link to video please ?

Sure! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0pdmqdb5Uc

At 1:52, LukeJr hi-five's a fellow dev.

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March 13, 2013, 09:21:38 AM
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Luke has a point.

As much as I'm a libertarian, it's also true that social rules make life a lot easier.

You don't have to be a libertarian to use Bitcoin.

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March 13, 2013, 10:04:30 AM
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Luke has a point.

As much as I'm a libertarian, it's also true that social rules make life a lot easier.

AFAIK libertarians believe that social rules are n3ecessary, but there should be a minimal government.

You don't have to be a libertarian to use Bitcoin.

No, but you cannot be against libertarianism either, you have to accept that there are libertarians (and even anarchists & crypto-anarchists) using the currency and live with it.
Otherwise sooner or later you will start to fight what you don't like, which makes you an enemy of Bitcoin - that is what I am talking about.

Its exactly the same with cash - because of people who are against cash, governments of the world are actively fighting cash, and forcing every bigger money transaction to be bank-to-bank transaction.

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March 13, 2013, 10:09:31 AM
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You don't have to be a libertarian to use Bitcoin.
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March 13, 2013, 10:57:07 AM
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Luke has a point.

As much as I'm a libertarian, it's also true that social rules make life a lot easier.

AFAIK libertarians believe that social rules are n3ecessary, but there should be a minimal government.

You don't have to be a libertarian to use Bitcoin.

No, but you cannot be against libertarianism either, you have to accept that there are libertarians (and even anarchists & crypto-anarchists) using the currency and live with it.
Otherwise sooner or later you will start to fight what you don't like, which makes you an enemy of Bitcoin - that is what I am talking about.

Its exactly the same with cash - because of people who are against cash, governments of the world are actively fighting cash, and forcing every bigger money transaction to be bank-to-bank transaction.

Yes, bitcoin is fully agnostic about any human beliefs.
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March 13, 2013, 10:58:09 AM
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From what I've seen of Josh Blue LukeJr on stage, I don't think he should be in procession of sharp objects.
Wielding the pen sharply, are we?
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March 13, 2013, 11:03:00 AM
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Yes, bitcoin is fully agnostic about any human beliefs.


The concept of a brainwallet is incompatible though with Marx's "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs".

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March 13, 2013, 01:43:34 PM
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Wrong on all counts. There are two realities. The
People are always the weakest chain and that is the reason Bitcoin exists: to route around human imperfections.
No. This is your delusion. Even if other nuts share it, it isn't reality.

Reality is populated by humans, who created machines. Your delusion is true so long as you believe it.

And when someone shuts off the computer for you, you will return to reality.
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March 13, 2013, 02:04:15 PM
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Wrong on all counts. There are two realities. The
People are always the weakest chain and that is the reason Bitcoin exists: to route around human imperfections.
No. This is your delusion. Even if other nuts share it, it isn't reality.

Reality is populated by humans, who created machines. Your delusion is true so long as you believe it.

And when someone shuts off the computer for you, you will return to reality.

Reality is ONLY VERY VERY SCARCELY populated by humans so humans are basically irrelevant in any discussion about reality...
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March 13, 2013, 05:25:33 PM
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From what I've seen of Josh Blue LukeJr on stage, I don't think he should be in procession of sharp objects.
Wielding the pen sharply, are we?


Only pokin' a little fun at LukeJr's expense. I ain't got no horsey in this here race, but I do admire the work LJ does, albeit I don't understand it, let alone able to do it.

I made the mistake another time of calling out the looks of some other user's avatar, of which he changed shortly thereafter. I learnt later that he's not a bad looking fellow. As far as myself goes, I may look halfway decent, but when I smile one can see I'm missin' a few teeth. Probably the only feature about myself I would change, and will with extractions and dentures. At least my brain's still sharp as a box of crayons.
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March 13, 2013, 07:18:20 PM
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At least my brain's still sharp as a box of crayons.

U mean half of ur brain? LOL
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March 13, 2013, 07:32:29 PM
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At least my brain's still sharp as a box of crayons.

U mean half of ur brain? LOL

he already ironed that out!
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March 13, 2013, 07:49:35 PM
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At least my brain's still sharp as a box of crayons.

U mean half of ur brain? LOL

he already ironed that out!

I see, sorry for my little English  Grin
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March 14, 2013, 12:01:35 AM
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At least my brain's still sharp as a box of crayons.

U mean half of ur brain? LOL

he already ironed that out!

I see, sorry for my little English  Grin

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March 14, 2013, 12:26:45 AM
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Luke has a point.

As much as I'm a libertarian, it's also true that social rules make life a lot easier.

AFAIK libertarians believe that social rules are n3ecessary, but there should be a minimal government.

Over in the Politics forum, there's a constant argument between the libertarians and others. I can't stand libertarianism myself. Just my opinion, but libertarianism is a terrible idea, and there are sound arguments as why it is.

Oh, and besides, Bitcoin is impotent against taxes. How deluded do you have to be to think Bitcoin could ever allow one to evade taxes except when it's a hobby currency?

Think. If Bitcoin becomes useful, then taxes will be implemented differently. For example, taxes will be based on the height of your fence, or how many shingles are on your roof, or how big your waist is.

Don't be a moron.
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March 14, 2013, 01:55:49 AM
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FirstAscent, I want you to know that I've decided to fence off all of my property.  In honor of your posting here.

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March 14, 2013, 08:15:11 AM
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Luke has a point.

As much as I'm a libertarian, it's also true that social rules make life a lot easier.

AFAIK libertarians believe that social rules are n3ecessary, but there should be a minimal government.

Over in the Politics forum, there's a constant argument between the libertarians and others. I can't stand libertarianism myself. Just my opinion, but libertarianism is a terrible idea,

Then you will make a great slave.
But don't count me in.

Think. If Bitcoin becomes useful, then taxes will be implemented differently. For example, taxes will be based on the height of your fence, or how many shingles are on your roof, or how big your waist is.

They can take your car and your house, but they will still be unable to take your Bitcoins. You can sell the house and car for Bitcoins, and they cannot take anything from you anymore.

So taxing people having Bitcoins is not as easy as it might seem at first. This will probably lead to lowering taxes to an acceptable (for almost everybody) level.

I myself think that the TOTAL amount of taxation (including all hidden fees and taxes) should not exceed 10%. 10% is a fair amount of taxation which i could bear.

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March 14, 2013, 03:12:25 PM
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Luke has a point.

As much as I'm a libertarian, it's also true that social rules make life a lot easier.

AFAIK libertarians believe that social rules are n3ecessary, but there should be a minimal government.

Over in the Politics forum, there's a constant argument between the libertarians and others. I can't stand libertarianism myself. Just my opinion, but libertarianism is a terrible idea,

Then you will make a great slave.
But don't count me in.

Think. If Bitcoin becomes useful, then taxes will be implemented differently. For example, taxes will be based on the height of your fence, or how many shingles are on your roof, or how big your waist is.

They can take your car and your house, but they will still be unable to take your Bitcoins. You can sell the house and car for Bitcoins, and they cannot take anything from you anymore.

So taxing people having Bitcoins is not as easy as it might seem at first. This will probably lead to lowering taxes to an acceptable (for almost everybody) level.

I myself think that the TOTAL amount of taxation (including all hidden fees and taxes) should not exceed 10%. 10% is a fair amount of taxation which i could bear.

Are you going to live in your flashdrive full of bitcoins? No. You're then going to have to rent from someone who owns a house and pays taxes, and he'll pass the expense on to you. You're a bonehead.
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March 14, 2013, 03:58:23 PM
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This will probably lead to lowering taxes to an acceptable (for almost everybody) level.

Why do you think that? They would increase the taxes instead.

Actually, I'll tell you what happens when masses don't want to pay taxes... The people that pay taxes get rich, and the rest begin working for them. Sounds counter-intuitive, doesn't it?

First, they increase barriers of entry to do anything substantial. Sure, you can sell trinkets online or baby sit, but that will be the limit of your business reach. Business that conform dominate every market and pass the expenses to the customers. Customers rush to gray markets, but they also get overwhelmed by big businesses in time.

Moral of the story: You need to have a very good plan if you are going to challenge the State's power.

Now, back to the topic, you are still saying this:

You don't have to be a libertarian to use Bitcoin.

No, but you cannot be against libertarianism either, you have to accept that there are libertarians (and even anarchists & crypto-anarchists) using the currency and live with it.
Otherwise sooner or later you will start to fight what you don't like, which makes you an enemy of Bitcoin - that is what I am talking about.

This is speculation on your part. What if I don't think it will ever come to that because libertarians are impotent? I can perfectly support Bitcoin because of some features I like, and I might think that the potential use by libertarians will never be a problem in a scale greater than the benefit Bitcoin brings.

You could say that they might become damaging to your plans of using Bitcoin to libertarian ends, but that's what being an enemy of libertarianism means anyway.
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March 15, 2013, 03:23:29 PM
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Actually, I'll tell you what happens when masses don't want to pay taxes... The people that pay taxes get rich, and the rest begin working for them. Sounds counter-intuitive, doesn't it?

First, they increase barriers of entry to do anything substantial. Sure, you can sell trinkets online or baby sit, but that will be the limit of your business reach. Business that conform dominate every market and pass the expenses to the customers. Customers rush to gray markets, but they also get overwhelmed by big businesses in time.

Moral of the story: You need to have a very good plan if you are going to challenge the State's power.

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Can't disagree!

It's also a good idea to think twice about the true nature of the "State's power".
Who owns it, for example...
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