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June 22, 2016, 04:04:04 AM
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Yours for only $29.99

Check out gamblingsitefinder.com for a decent list/rankings of crypto casinos. Note: I have no affiliation or interest in it, and don't even agree with all the rankings ... but it's the only uncorrupted review site I'm aware of.
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June 22, 2016, 07:23:19 AM
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I read about the dividends, when are those paid?
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June 22, 2016, 12:15:11 PM
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Indeed, how are the dividends structured?
Like, when are they paid?
In bits, or in BTC's?
When all tokens sold, do tokens have an expiry date or are dividends lifetime of the site?


Also, 3.000 BTC is quite an amount to raise in only 14 days. My best guess that's related due to the upcoming halving, but perhaps extending the period might be something to re-think.

Also, if the main point is to raise funds, I do not see the benefit of hiding the remaining amount of tokens to be hidden due to sniping.

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June 22, 2016, 12:17:21 PM
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Perhaps you might also want to post this in the "Long Term Offers" board.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=88.0

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June 22, 2016, 02:37:12 PM
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I read about the dividends, when are those paid?

No fixed time, just when ever the site wants to distribute its money or feels like it has too much money in idle assets

That is pretty vague since you are the site, And what will be seen as too much money like what would be the minimum bankroll?
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June 23, 2016, 06:28:33 AM
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Indeed, how are the dividends structured?
Like, when are they paid?
In bits, or in BTC's?
When all tokens sold, do tokens have an expiry date or are dividends lifetime of the site?


Also, 3.000 BTC is quite an amount to raise in only 14 days. My best guess that's related due to the upcoming halving, but perhaps extending the period might be something to re-think.

Also, if the main point is to raise funds, I do not see the benefit of hiding the remaining amount of tokens to be hidden due to sniping.

I agree, give us more time to analyze think about investing. 3k bitcoins in 14 days is a lot of money
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June 23, 2016, 10:37:28 AM
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Why are not u doing it in Just-Dice/bitdice.me style?

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June 23, 2016, 11:09:46 PM
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Hi - i intermittently invest in the bankroll at moneypot, and play a bit as well. *Love that site, and thanks for your original work there.

I haven't really followed the saga behind your sale to the current owners. Is there some bad blood or ill will? Why wouldn't you simply hook back up with MP and effectively free up your funds from the bankroll?

Your thread caught my attention because I like to invest in casino bankroll, and would love to get a piece of the house as well. I bump into two issues with your offer though. First is that I'm illiquid for the time being so I don't have much to invest. Second is that you are not simply offering a bankroll stake, but an equity stake of sorts, so I would have to do a rough valuation to make sure I'm getting fair value. How did you arrive at the value of the 'tokens' that are on offer?

*If you don't explicitly provide a valuation, I think many people won't take the trouble to look carefully themselves, and your crowdsale will flounder.

**My real assumption  is that you are a smart cookie, and the tokens are significantly overvalued. But you are taking a free shot at potentially profiting from some of the alt-coin/investment frenzy we've been seeing of late.

As it stands, if the tokens launch, I'll try to follow performance and maybe buy in if the prospective returns justify it.
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June 24, 2016, 03:12:18 AM
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Hi - i intermittently invest in the bankroll at moneypot, and play a bit as well. *Love that site, and thanks for your original work there.

I haven't really followed the saga behind your sale to the current owners. Is there some bad blood or ill will? Why wouldn't you simply hook back up with MP and effectively free up your funds from the bankroll?

Your thread caught my attention because I like to invest in casino bankroll, and would love to get a piece of the house as well. I bump into two issues with your offer though. First is that I'm illiquid for the time being so I don't have much to invest. Second is that you are not simply offering a bankroll stake, but an equity stake of sorts, so I would have to do a rough valuation to make sure I'm getting fair value. How did you arrive at the value of the 'tokens' that are on offer?

*If you don't explicitly provide a valuation, I think many people won't take the trouble to look carefully themselves, and your crowdsale will flounder.

**My real assumption  is that you are a smart cookie, and the tokens are significantly overvalued. But you are taking a free shot at potentially profiting from some of the alt-coin/investment frenzy we've been seeing of late.

As it stands, if the tokens launch, I'll try to follow performance and maybe buy in if the prospective returns justify it.

Hey man, I've actually done a DCF on BaB, and I can assure you it's 'tokens' are worth at minimum .001 btc per token even assuming no growth over the next 5 years.
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June 24, 2016, 10:53:40 PM
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Hey man, I've actually done a DCF on BaB, and I can assure you it's 'tokens' are worth at minimum .001 btc per token even assuming no growth over the next 5 years.


Hey man, I do DCF for a living, but haven't bothered here for a couple of important reasons. First, OP has arbitrary control over 'expenses' and a whimsical dividend policy. Reality is that for these 'securities' the 'dividends' are going to be whatever OP pulls out of his ass that week, or that month. Speaking of, he's also likely to arbitrarily buy back the 'tokens' at a price of his own choosing. Wherefore your terminal value then?!? He doesn't get them listed, or sees that they only trade on Bustabit, and then buys them back at a price of his own choosing. Sound like fun? Run that through a DCF and see what it gets you.

And his argument for not tapping moneypot's bankroll just doesn't sound right. He could tap MP's roll, while still also investing in his own action I would think. In fact he could have a very flexible exposure to his action, or the action across entire MP app universe.

Anyway, CAGR of MP's bankroll' returns has been well over triple digits for months. It would take something pretty compelling to make me look elsewhere. If Bustabit had an investable bankroll I'd definitely be looking closely.

**Sorry if I came off indignant wormat22. This deal doesn't look reasonable to me. And your post (quoted above) sounds like something Kramer would say on some cheesy Saturday morning show.

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June 25, 2016, 05:01:12 PM
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There's been very little token purchases after the first day, with all the investors I knew to be buying tokens have already done so and only a ~1/3rd sold. So instead of wasting everyones time, I've issued a full refund on your bustabit account  (+0.01 BTC as a thanks).

All larger withdrawals I will likely be processing manually and I'll try contact investors via email to confirm with them the instructions are correct. So please be patient, and give me 12+ hours to process the withdrawal.

Thanks everyone, and I'll try release something more appealing in the near future =)

It wasn't a bad idea, I just think trying to raise $2 million through crowdfunding was implausible to start with....a smaller amount would have worked better I think
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