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March 13, 2013, 06:17:56 PM
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It is more likely to give you a bad hangover.
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March 14, 2013, 05:29:28 AM
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It seems these are the only two players in the ASIC market at the moment... That being said, which one do you think will ship new orders first?

I'm considering getting one of these, but not sure which might actually get here in a sane ammount of time.. BFL says new orders will ship in June, but with them missing so many self-imposed dealines already, I'm considering going with avalon...

Comments? Thoughts? Open to all input...

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Avalon has already shipped. They have working units in the field at customer's homes right now. BFL is still in the paperwork phase I think and no one will see anything until winter holidays. At least 6 months.


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March 14, 2013, 06:10:50 AM
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By the way, my armchair for 15 years has looked over a Ph.D. in Engineering, and that chair is situated at Intel's packaging and assembly development division.

Just because I make wine, doesn't mean I'm an expert on Whiskey.  Especially whiskey that's still in it's bottle

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Let me see if I have your logic down here:

If I were to say to you 'Dude it looks like that whiskey bottle has a bunch of rat turds in it'

You'd respond: "What do you know about whiskey bottles, you've only been bottling wine for the best winemaker in the world for that last 15 years."

A more accurate analogy would be:

Entropy:  Your bottling looks like shit and there's a dead rat inside the bottle.  I know these things because I've been bottling for years and get paid $1000 a bottle.
Response: That's a rat printed on the label man... it's not a real rat, and it's not inside the bottle... Do you really get paid for bottling things when you can't even tell the difference between a printed rat on a label and a dead rat inside a bottle?





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March 14, 2013, 06:13:34 AM
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LOL

The irony of Josh posting stories about rats. Tongue

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March 14, 2013, 08:04:52 AM
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One to market...

Seems like only one choice.

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March 14, 2013, 08:36:23 AM
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Nice... yeah, Josh does seem kind of a dick...  Guess I'll be waiting for batch 3....

It's quite simple: A shady company like BFL needs a shady COO like Josh/Inaba.

Lying and insulting others is OK for BFL/Josh - as long as it generates sales.

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March 14, 2013, 05:12:02 PM
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I want BFL, less power but,..

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They just got the test board up and running properly tonight... they will start actual testing in the morning.
https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bfl-forum-miscellaneous/1300-when-bulk-first-75-wafers-will-delivered-bfl.html#post18275

..come on you tested it 2 days ago, give us some news on how it went, please!  Shocked

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March 14, 2013, 05:28:06 PM
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Just noticed BFL's term of sale just became "All sales are final" (legal speak for no refunds!)

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March 15, 2013, 11:00:09 PM
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Probs with BFLs homepage, forum still works, maybe ddos?

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March 16, 2013, 05:03:05 AM
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Probs with BFLs homepage, forum still works, maybe ddos?

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March 16, 2013, 04:14:08 PM
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I can't reconcile the short term, because I'm a long term thinker, and on that basis I can only suggest BFL is the more sustainable choice.

Money where my mouth is, I bought two 60gh/s units in the past week.

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March 17, 2013, 06:08:31 PM
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I can't reconcile the short term, because I'm a long term thinker, and on that basis I can only suggest BFL is the more sustainable choice.

Money where my mouth is, I bought two 60gh/s units in the past week.

Just this past week? I guess if you don't mind you may get back that $2666 or whatever it was in 12+months then you are good to go. I'm just guessing it will take one year to get your money back. I hope I'm wrong for you and it takes less.

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June 11, 2013, 04:59:48 AM
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Avalon.

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June 11, 2013, 05:05:38 AM
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Hi teach, whats up?
Doing your usual BFL troll round?
You've missed one.
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June 11, 2013, 05:12:45 AM
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Bicknellski's desperation is so delicious, it's like ice cream.  He knows the bucks he dropped on Avalon are about to go *poof* in a puff of difficulty and is pathetically trying to stave off the inevitable.  He's pretty funny to watch, actually.  I mean, even going so far as to necro a 3 month old thread.



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June 11, 2013, 05:30:42 AM
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Bicknellski's desperation is so delicious, it's like ice cream.  He knows the bucks he dropped on Avalon are about to go *poof* in a puff of difficulty and is pathetically trying to stave off the inevitable.  He's pretty funny to watch, actually.  I mean, even going so far as to necro a 3 month old thread.

 Does this not also mean that all the bucks everyone has dropped on BFL ASIC orders are about to go *poof* as well due to difficulty, if we are to follow your logic ?
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June 11, 2013, 05:35:42 AM
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Well Bicknellski ist right - the right choice would have been to get a BFL refund and order an Avalon. I have no chance that my Single will ever break even. I paid nearly 200 BTC for one single SC. Delivery will be in 2 weeks (read 2-N months). There is no chance that this machine will ever earn those 200 BTC. Not with the difficulty rising that fast. My choice to not order an Avalon from the first batch was wrong and I was to slow to order a second/third batch Avalon.

With my order at BFL I have now the choice to loose everything (chapter 11 before they are able to develop a single SC product) or only part of my bitcoins (when they manage to build more than a prototype). What a great choice. No chance that I order something from BFL ever again!
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June 11, 2013, 05:41:53 AM
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I think there is no point in " OR ".
@ the moment I'm going to do Avalon chips assembly.
Later when/if BFL will provide reference docs I'll probably go for BFL chips assembly service.
Anyway BFL is an year late. Avalon is a few months late.
BFL have some kind of customer service. Avalon have none.
@ the end I would say " BOTH "

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June 11, 2013, 05:45:39 AM
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Looking at the difficulty chart my answer at the current point in time is NONE.
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June 11, 2013, 06:11:30 AM
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I think there is no point in " OR ".
@ the moment I'm going to do Avalon chips assembly.
Later when/if BFL will provide reference docs I'll probably go for BFL chips assembly service.
Anyway BFL is an year late. Avalon is a few months late.
BFL have some kind of customer service. Avalon have none.
@ the end I would say " BOTH "

Time for you to be Avalon / BFL and to fill in the white spaces... I hope we can do that. As long the chips keep coming.

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