Odalv
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March 13, 2013, 10:10:42 PM |
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This rally is far from being over  You do realize that leverage can be used to speculate against bitcoin too, right? tl:dr; The shorts are coming! That is fine, it will keep price more stable. You cannot short when trend is bullish because you lose money. But you can short when there is a bubble, you make money not allowing bubble to grow. |
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Mushoz
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March 13, 2013, 10:11:30 PM |
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This rally is far from being over You do realize that leverage can be used to speculate against bitcoin too, right? tl:dr; The shorts are coming! Every short that opens has to be closed sooner or later. Repeat after me: For every BTC sold through shorting, a BTC will have to be bought to close the position. Shorting's net effect will be exactly zero. All this will do this stabilize the price, as shorting can temporarily suppress the price if it rises too fast in the eyes of the bears, which is a good thing. |
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SaintFlow
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The first is by definition not flawed.
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March 13, 2013, 10:13:56 PM |
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repeat after me:
how do we know they cover every coin they trade on their platform?
Papergold - fine
Paperbitcoin - better be a offline wallet!!!!
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don't let me make you question your assumptions
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labestiol (OP)
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March 13, 2013, 10:30:12 PM |
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This rally is far from being over You do realize that leverage can be used to speculate against bitcoin too, right? tl:dr; The shorts are coming! I do. And I'll be happy to take the other side of the trade. |
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March 13, 2013, 10:36:59 PM |
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This rally is far from being over You do realize that leverage can be used to speculate against bitcoin too, right? tl:dr; The shorts are coming! Every short that opens has to be closed sooner or later. Repeat after me: For every BTC sold through shorting, a BTC will have to be bought to close the position. Shorting's net effect will be exactly zero. All this will do this stabilize the price, as shorting can temporarily suppress the price if it rises too fast in the eyes of the bears, which is a good thing. And even more imporantly, it provides liquidity in the event of a crash as the shorts cover their positions. Thus making it easier to find the floor. This is why banning short selling during the 2008 crash in the financial markets were so stupid. The shorts were basically the only buyers during the crash. When it was banned there were only sellers left, which increased the volatility. |
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BTC Books
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March 13, 2013, 10:46:34 PM |
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quote from site "The funds shares are distributed exclusively through the EXANTE Hedge Fund Marketplace platform"
I see where EXANTE is listed on the HYIP Monitor site: http://www.hyips-monitor.com/?search=EXANTEMaybe Pirate's got a piece of this action... |
Dankedan: price seems low, time to sell I think...
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Nick
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March 14, 2013, 02:12:25 AM |
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quote from site "The funds shares are distributed exclusively through the EXANTE Hedge Fund Marketplace platform"
I see where EXANTE is listed on the HYIP Monitor site: http://www.hyips-monitor.com/?search=EXANTEMaybe Pirate's got a piece of this action... I think that's just a scam with a similar name. Try https://exante.eu/. |
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BTC Books
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March 14, 2013, 02:55:54 AM |
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Dankedan: price seems low, time to sell I think...
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dacoinminster
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March 14, 2013, 02:21:07 PM |
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CEO of etoro is funding bitcoinx.org (they are working on colored coins, aka ripple on the bitcoin block-chain). I talk to Yoni all the time, trying to convince him to do colored coins my way, and that if he does I'll make him the richest man in the world. Haven't convinced him of that yet, but he is definitely into bitcoins big-time.
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siulynot
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March 14, 2013, 03:13:45 PM |
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This rally is far from being over You do realize that leverage can be used to speculate against bitcoin too, right? tl:dr; The shorts are coming! Every short that opens has to be closed sooner or later. Repeat after me: For every BTC sold through shorting, a BTC will have to be bought to close the position. Shorting's net effect will be exactly zero. All this will do this stabilize the price, as shorting can temporarily suppress the price if it rises too fast in the eyes of the bears, which is a good thing. are you joking?... yeah, you gotta buy back what you shorted, at a lower price!!!! 40btc at $50 are not the same as 40btc at ten.... |
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myself
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chaos is fun...…damental :)
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March 14, 2013, 03:32:27 PM |
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This rally is far from being over You do realize that leverage can be used to speculate against bitcoin too, right? tl:dr; The shorts are coming!  |
Los desesperados publican que lo inventó el rey que rabió, porque todo son en el rabias y mas rabias, disgustos y mas disgustos, pezares y mas pezares; si el que compra algunas partidas vé que baxan, rabia de haver comprado; si suben, rabia de que no compró mas; si compra, suben, vende, gana y buelan aun á mas alto precio del que ha vendido; rabia de que vendió por menor precio: si no compra ni vende y ván subiendo, rabia de que haviendo tenido impulsos de comprar, no llegó á lograr los impulsos; si van baxando, rabia de que, haviendo tenido amagos de vender, no se resolvió á gozar los amagos; si le dan algun consejo y acierta, rabia de que no se lo dieron antes; si yerra, rabia de que se lo dieron; con que todo son inquietudes, todo arrepentimientos, tododelirios, luchando siempre lo insufrible con lo feliz, lo indomito con lo tranquilo y lo rabioso con lo deleytable.
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lebing
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March 14, 2013, 03:59:41 PM |
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This rally is far from being over You do realize that leverage can be used to speculate against bitcoin too, right? tl:dr; The shorts are coming! I can hear the cries already from the margin calls |
Bro, do you even blockchain?
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March 14, 2013, 04:07:44 PM |
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i hope they are aware that they cannot apply the usual CFD logic with bitcoin. unlike gold or big securities even modest amount of money can swing the price. someone should tell them before they get burned
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sunnankar
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March 14, 2013, 04:12:35 PM |
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i hope they are aware that they cannot apply the usual CFD logic with bitcoin. unlike gold or big securities even modest amount of money can swing the price. someone should tell them before they get burned
Why tell them? Better to skin them and put the pelt up on the wall. |
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myself
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chaos is fun...…damental :)
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March 14, 2013, 04:13:32 PM |
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This rally is far from being over You do realize that leverage can be used to speculate against bitcoin too, right? tl:dr; The shorts are coming! I can hear the cries already from the margin calls short magin calls or long margin calls ? |
Los desesperados publican que lo inventó el rey que rabió, porque todo son en el rabias y mas rabias, disgustos y mas disgustos, pezares y mas pezares; si el que compra algunas partidas vé que baxan, rabia de haver comprado; si suben, rabia de que no compró mas; si compra, suben, vende, gana y buelan aun á mas alto precio del que ha vendido; rabia de que vendió por menor precio: si no compra ni vende y ván subiendo, rabia de que haviendo tenido impulsos de comprar, no llegó á lograr los impulsos; si van baxando, rabia de que, haviendo tenido amagos de vender, no se resolvió á gozar los amagos; si le dan algun consejo y acierta, rabia de que no se lo dieron antes; si yerra, rabia de que se lo dieron; con que todo son inquietudes, todo arrepentimientos, tododelirios, luchando siempre lo insufrible con lo feliz, lo indomito con lo tranquilo y lo rabioso con lo deleytable.
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Piper67
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March 14, 2013, 04:25:06 PM |
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This rally is far from being over You do realize that leverage can be used to speculate against bitcoin too, right? tl:dr; The shorts are coming! I can hear the cries already from the margin calls short magin calls or long margin calls ? Doesn't really matter. They'll both be crying soon... gambling is still gambling, and only the house wins  |
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lebing
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March 14, 2013, 08:00:09 PM |
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This rally is far from being over You do realize that leverage can be used to speculate against bitcoin too, right? tl:dr; The shorts are coming! I can hear the cries already from the margin calls short magin calls or long margin calls ? Well I think we are a long way away from anyone having a chance with a long term short. Maybe if we get up past 300 this year it will be possible... otherwise, they are just asking for pain. |
Bro, do you even blockchain?
-E Voorhees
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myself
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chaos is fun...…damental :)
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March 14, 2013, 08:15:57 PM |
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Well I think we are a long way away from anyone having a chance with a long term short. Maybe if we get up past 300 this year it will be possible... otherwise, they are just asking for pain.
data> guess FORCED EXECUTED @ 47.7499(-6.87): was FORCED PARTIALLY FILLED @ 47.7499(-0.02)
FORCED EXECUTED @ 47.581(-12.49): was FORCED PARTIALLY FILLED @ 47.6801(-0.76),PARTIALLY FILLED @ 47.6801(-0.01),PARTIALLY FILLED @ 47.6801(-0.01),PARTIALLY FILLED @ 47.6801(-0.01),PARTIALLY FILLED @ 47.68(-0.01),PARTIALLY FILLED @ 47.68(-0.01),PARTIALLY
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Los desesperados publican que lo inventó el rey que rabió, porque todo son en el rabias y mas rabias, disgustos y mas disgustos, pezares y mas pezares; si el que compra algunas partidas vé que baxan, rabia de haver comprado; si suben, rabia de que no compró mas; si compra, suben, vende, gana y buelan aun á mas alto precio del que ha vendido; rabia de que vendió por menor precio: si no compra ni vende y ván subiendo, rabia de que haviendo tenido impulsos de comprar, no llegó á lograr los impulsos; si van baxando, rabia de que, haviendo tenido amagos de vender, no se resolvió á gozar los amagos; si le dan algun consejo y acierta, rabia de que no se lo dieron antes; si yerra, rabia de que se lo dieron; con que todo son inquietudes, todo arrepentimientos, tododelirios, luchando siempre lo insufrible con lo feliz, lo indomito con lo tranquilo y lo rabioso con lo deleytable.
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