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July 03, 2016, 02:42:53 AM
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ShogDite is running an ICO scam that has collected 460+ btc

ShogDite claims do not match up.  He is supposed to be a blockchain expert and lead developer but has never offered his services before and has only created graphics for low amounts of pay/work

He has also made this post which contradicts the very thing he has made



The presale has raised 780 BTC+ so far, and it has just started. At least the hype is there



A fool and his bitcoin are easily parted Wink

I wont be investing a single satoshi,  every ICO is a scam until proven otherwise.

ShogDite is probably vervolioman (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=93211)

ShogDite owns 16qJ793mcS8rzpZRBuQqoSJk8L1DVz2UjW (shogdite 16qJ793mcS8rzpZRBuQqoSJk8L1DVz2UjW 28 posts) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=739269.msg8668260#msg8668260

From this address, he is linked to 1KwJKkN8aWS7yCLscgLCyqFhtXahsW5ip2 and 1LwZY6yeGs9Mrvugwaq3C6KkEHdJAMRYQ8 which pays Quickseller 0.7 btc (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1093658.msg11744463#msg11744463) as vervolioman
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July 03, 2016, 03:45:13 AM
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http://archive.is/vzH00
^^above is the archive of the post that shogdite posted.

I think it is fairly obvious that ShogDite is a purchased account, and I think the original owner of vervoilman sold his account some time ago. Although it is possible that vervoilman purchased the ShogDite account.

The Phoenix1969 guy is likely the original owner of his account, although I think he is trying to make it look like he sold his account.

Either way I believe that ICO is a scam and that the numbers are being inflated in one way or another.

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July 03, 2016, 03:58:36 AM
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http://archive.is/vzH00
^^above is the archive of the post that shogdite posted.

I think it is fairly obvious that ShogDite is a purchased account, and I think the original owner of vervoilman sold his account some time ago. Although it is possible that vervoilman purchased the ShogDite account.

The Phoenix1969 guy is likely the original owner of his account, although I think he is trying to make it look like he sold his account.

Either way I believe that ICO is a scam and that the numbers are being inflated in one way or another.

I don't know about the other guy but Phoenix1969 is a well trusted guy his real identity is known in the lisk community, no way he'd risk his name and delegate spot to be apart of a scam.
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July 03, 2016, 04:10:20 AM
Last edit: July 03, 2016, 07:45:13 AM by Quickseller
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http://archive.is/vzH00
^^above is the archive of the post that shogdite posted.

I think it is fairly obvious that ShogDite is a purchased account, and I think the original owner of vervoilman sold his account some time ago. Although it is possible that vervoilman purchased the ShogDite account.

The Phoenix1969 guy is likely the original owner of his account, although I think he is trying to make it look like he sold his account.

Either way I believe that ICO is a scam and that the numbers are being inflated in one way or another.
I don't know about the other guy but Phoenix1969 is a well trusted guy his real identity is known in the lisk community, no way he'd risk his name and delegate spot to be apart of a scam.

You don't think he would risk all that for 200-400BTC?

IIRC, he is on disability so he isn't exactly racking in the big bucks and has well above the $2,000 threshold to collect disability worth of assets considering that he clearly has in excess of 150BTC of personal funds.

Even if it were not for the above warning signs pointed out in the OP, and the issues that I pointed out in their thread, the amount of money being claimed to be holding on the behalf of other is well above amounts that are above what is sensible to trust him with.

I don't know about the other guy but Phoenix1969 is a well trusted guy his real identity is known in the lisk community, no way he'd risk his name and delegate spot to be apart of a scam.


edit: fixed broken quote

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July 03, 2016, 04:18:53 AM
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also why didn't you just make this thread with your regular account. why a sock puppet account? lol
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July 03, 2016, 07:32:35 AM
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Why there is no negative trust on ShogDite's profile? Because he is conducting an IPO? Roll Eyes
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July 03, 2016, 03:14:20 PM
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http://archive.is/vzH00
^^above is the archive of the post that shogdite posted.

I think it is fairly obvious that ShogDite is a purchased account, and I think the original owner of vervoilman sold his account some time ago. Although it is possible that vervoilman purchased the ShogDite account.

The Phoenix1969 guy is likely the original owner of his account, although I think he is trying to make it look like he sold his account.

Either way I believe that ICO is a scam and that the numbers are being inflated in one way or another.

I don't know about the other guy but Phoenix1969 is a well trusted guy his real identity is known in the lisk community, no way he'd risk his name and delegate spot to be apart of a scam.

The other guy deleted his post but it said something like shogdite has a wallet and a explorer so it proves hes not scamming

Whats happened is that hes paid for a block explorer just yesterday to be made.  if hes a blockchain expert and great dev why wouldnt he have been working on it before.  he also paid for the wallet. 

Im pretty sure that hes going to try and keep up the ruse and may have tricked pheonix into thinking this project is legit to get more credibility and then one day is just going to vanish.

people need to stop blindly throwing money at promises to strangers on the internet in a community known for scams
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August 09, 2016, 12:34:46 AM
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Confirmed. total SCUM SCAM

The person on their site stole my BCT account to make this site/coin.
I am the ORIGINAL phoenix1969 as seen in kncminer thread, and now on lisk testnet.
I have notified Yobit and emailed the mods here.
Refusal to act is direct support to the scam.
Notice given.

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August 09, 2016, 10:40:44 AM
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I'll chip in as well seeing as this has caught my eye today and a further investigation clearly shows that this 'LIR' 'Let It Ride' project has been put together through fraud and theft.

yo searing wassuup !

letting everyone know my account Phoenix1969 was hacked.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1511021.msg15860143#msg15860143

It was not hacked you sold it. Just admit it already.

Sorry if my view has any weight it was NOT sold. I've known him for 3 years and was just on the phone with him. He is pissed off.



Phoenix1969, your Trust history shows you gave Searing a positive rating in April of last year, which was just before the Bitcointalk hack.

Now Searing is saying you are not the same person and that his friend who actually does own the Phoenix1969 account has lost control of it.

So the really big issue in all of this is what this means for a project which collected hundreds of bitcoin in a 'crowdsale' when the people behind the project are using stolen forum accounts.




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August 09, 2016, 12:30:35 PM
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I started on BitcoinTalk over a year ago, and when I first started here I asked a friend to use an account because there was an inherent difference between using a newbie account and a more well established account. A friend of mine at the time provided me with one for free and I started joining signature campaigns and using it prominently on the forums.

So now he admits it isn't his account, after having simply signed a bitcoin address from January when asked to, which implied he was claiming to be its original owner.

Trouble is this awfully convenient excuse that a 'friend' gave him the Phoenix1969 account. Because that is what trustworthy people do, isn't it? Take a high-ranking forum account to use for the latest shutupandtakemymoney ICO without considering the deception they are perpetrating by doing so.

I have no knowledge of the history of the account other than of when I started using it. I've not claimed to steal anyone's identity; Where have I claimed to be Eric Hansen?

I am Phoenix1969, an anonymous internet persona and what more would you expect from someone going into a a grey-area gambling project? Would you go in plastering your name all over the internet? Probably not.

No but then I wouldn't use somebody else's account and history to pretend that I was a legitimate long-term member of standing in order to conspire with others to launch the latest shutupandtakemymoney ICO. It is this which makes you untrustworthy

Here are the facts, I've done nothing other then help deliver for the LIR project since I've been here. The history of this account is irrelevant as to whether LIR is a scam or not. If it was, as many people have stated we would've taken the 450 BTC and left. Instead, we have stuck here building our product, reworking our site for a more professional look and the results are paying off. Just yesterday, we had almost 100 new users unique by IP address sign up and test the site out.
It is absolutely relevant to 'LIR' whether those behind it are deceiving people as to their forum standing and history in order to launch the latest shutupandtakemymoney ICO.

I don't get it, we've gone through two new designs, we've implemented various bug fixes and patches to our site, ran a tournament for which everyone was paid for, started running a second tournament, started marketing with a Twitter advertising firm, we've ran a signature campaign for which everyone who was suppose to get paid got paid and now Shogdite and Jigar are working on developing a plethora of new content - Where's the scam in all of this?

I ask that the red trust is removed immediately because it's completely uncalled for. You call this a scam for which you have absolutely no basis other then the origins of my account. On the contrary had you looked at our project you would see we've delivered and are continuing to develop a working product. It's a blatant misuse of a power.

Anyways, feel free to think whatever you want of me, but LIR is here to stay and so am I.

How is marking somebody as being demonstrably untrustworthy because of the proven nature of their deception a 'blatant misuse of power'?





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Will read this tomorrow since it is too late here, but from what I see there are only 2 posts after 3 July. This was obvious scam from the start and I'm not sure why you are bringing this thread to life right after the downtrend?

EDIT: Read it. A guy nicknamed bitseedmike left a negative feedback (though a bit late) with a statement: "Acknowledges using an account with reputation and history he did not create to solicit investment. This is a deceptive marketing practice.".

This is enough for me.

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August 11, 2016, 07:30:26 AM
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Just want to collate some relevant info in this scam accusation thread for victims to be able to see outside of the active burying of posts the shills are prone to do in the LIR thread.

I hadn't realised the 'devs' had already been challenged on the status of their accounts and denied they were bought accounts. That explains the weak excuse from Phoenix1969 a couple of days ago that it was given to him by 'a friend', just so he could try claiming that he hadn't lied about it being a bought account.

The thread is moderated and I'm happy to report that not one single post has been deleted since its conception.
This is not a self-moderated thread lol.

I also noticed that you did not address my allegations of you being a sold account, of the OP being a sold account, of your entire team actually being "one person", of the use of multiple sockpuppets in this, and other threads, of recycling BTC to make it appear as though you have raised more money then you actually have. Do you plan on addressing any of these allegations?

We'd appreciate if you leave your allegations at the door.

Neither my account nor Shogdite are bought accounts and if you did even the slightest bit of research you would see I am active in other communities as well. If you think one person could do all of this you must be insane. There's far too much work to be done for it to have all been done by one person so that idea goes completely out the window.


Yes, we have been moving around BTC. We offer perks and rewards some of which will require us to secure fiat. We're not here to gamble on the price of BTC. Had we not been liquidating, we would've been hit even harder with the downward swing from the high 700's to what is now the mid 600's so I'm sure our investors our glad we took this approach.

In the next day or two, we will gladly make a post containing the majority of the BTC raised so far with a signed message. I assume this will be satisfactory?

That was during the ICO.

And now he sais his friend donated him the account for free... sure...

I WANT THE TRUTH,... NOW!!!
YOU FUCKING SCAMMER! I LOST MONEY BECAUSE OF YOU!

Well the highlighted part certainly shows his intention to try and claim the work being done by Eric over at Lisk as his own in order to further bolster their supposed credibility. As has already been said as well, once they chose to run there would have been hell to pay for the poor guy over whether it had been him or not.


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August 11, 2016, 01:11:05 PM
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Reading Phoenix1969's recent post history is quite... ummmm.... telling. To put it mildly. Signature campains, currency exchange, other penny deals. Then looking for a casino script. Then - of course - an ICO. Real crypto entrepreneur.

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August 11, 2016, 01:39:35 PM
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F*ck, currently I can't pay even $10 for our block explorer (don't want to take even a penny from other members of the team), yet such obvious scams are gathering 100s of BTC. A lot of guys are contributing for free, but such scammers are making things harder and harder.

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August 13, 2016, 01:30:52 PM
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All ICOs are a scam until proven otherwise.

Invest at your own risk.

Never invest more than you're willing to lose.

I invest early for bonuses and I invest in projects I like. I happened to like LIR specifically because of a problem with Primedice. I invested just because I wanted to invest in a competitor for Primedice. I considered investing in Liskdice too but their ANN looked like a complete copy of LIR so I just bought more LIR instead. Maybe I'll still buy some Liskdice, idk. Seems like every ICO goes below ICO price at some point. Probably better to wait until after ICO ends.

I don't know if it's a scam or not. it's disappointing that they were pretending to be someone else to gain trust, but, considering how common bought accounts are here. I know I considered that possibility at the time. Since my time is more valuable than the money I planned to invest, I decided to invest rather then truly look the person over. Surely, if I was investing 30 BTC in a project, I would be doing a lot more research. That said, I would rather invest 1 BTC in 30 projects than 30 BTC in 1 project. Or even .01 - .05 in just about every project, which is closer to what I actually do.

Anyways, that's my perspective and story. I'm not leaving them negative feedback until they don't fulfill promises. My position has switched, though. I'm not buying any more right now.
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August 13, 2016, 08:27:05 PM
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For a minute there I thought I was reading an old thread. Crypto never changes. Your greed makes this possible.  Angry

Forgive my petulance and oft-times, I fear, ill-founded criticisms, and forgive me that I have, by this time, made your eyes and head ache with my long letter. But I cannot forgo hastily the pleasure and pride of thus conversing with you.
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August 17, 2016, 12:26:50 PM
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Updating thread with new post of mine in LIR thread proving the dice site to be nothing more than a cheap script costing less than a third of a bitcoin:

rather than delivering a bespoke quality platform simply glued on a new skin to a bog-standard cheap web-script
Big quote you have there. Can you possibly point me into the right direction where you have found it to be a I quote "bog standard cheap script" that would imply the dev doesn't know how to code when I have seen a fix in real time after emailing him. So where is your proof it being a cheap script please and where would I find such a script?

Ok, first things first, let's take a look at the initial incarnation for LIR:

Here's a preview of how it's looking so far, please note as we've said so far, this is indeed one of the "toned down" versions we plan on offering:


Now let's compare it to a dice script you can pick up for 0.3BTC 0.207BTC from https://bitify.com/auctions/download-software/dicescript-3-4-start-your-own-dice-site-today-instant-361715/
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Do you need me to point out all the places which match between the two? Bar some minor edits on the labels to try and pretend like they're giving you a bespoke platform it is pretty clear they are one and the same.

In fact, given just how absurdly easy it is to see this fact it probably explains why Dogshite then discarded that particular layout shortly afterwards.

[edit] updated with even more recent listing and image for this cheap dice script.



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Is verlioman a famous scammer? Or the new guy bought his account is a scammer behind him?
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For a minute there I thought I was reading an old thread. Crypto never changes. Your greed makes this possible.  Angry
Everyone's greed, investors and scammers alike.  But you are so right, nothing changes in crypto and people need to stop being suckers.  I don't even know what went on with LIR, but I'm glad I didn't gamble on this one.  I looked at it when it started trading on yobit and it wasn't acting right.

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also why didn't you just make this thread with your regular account. why a sock puppet account? lol

Funny because this is a bought account too  Cheesy
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