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June 04, 2018, 11:30:16 PM
 #821

What has changed since +-20 hours?

Certainly not the fact that you don't reply to questions embarrassing yourself.

Questions

1) if you offer your service for free to people who register on those sites, does it not influence them to register?
2) If you post information about their ongoing promotions does that not inform people about that service?
3) does giving a complete guide on how to register (including this message : "1. Press the register now button") not inform people on how to register for the service, and influence them to do so? Because it literally says "Fill out the registration form at Ignition website." and that could be looked at as influencing people to register for that service.
4) Does the message "At Ignition poker casino, you'll get your adrenaline pumping as you dive right into the thrill of competition? it's high-intensity at its finest." not influence people to register for that service?

You know that shill bumping is not allowed, right ?
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June 04, 2018, 11:36:14 PM
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Besides, you had them on your affiliate list = advertising.
Definition advertising: Advertising is a means of communication with the users of a product or service. Advertisements are messages paid for by those who send them and are intended to inform or influence people who receive them, as defined by the Advertising Association of the UK.

Where and who does Game Protect pay to advertise Crypto-Games and Ignition?

Where and how does Game Protect intend to influence people to register and play at Crypto-Games and Ignition?

That is not as defined by the Advertising Association of the UK.
You changed a couple of things.
Blatant lie in the name of FortuneShit that I changed things!

https://imgur.com/a/IGsSH1I

 

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June 04, 2018, 11:38:09 PM
Last edit: June 05, 2018, 01:00:50 AM by Lutpin
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3) Can you tell me how will you protect players if unlicensed casino Ignition steal money from them?
Another blatant lie in the name of FortuneJack
Please quote where Game Protect states that we protect players if a casino steals their money?
Ehrm, it's your name? GameProtect.
If you cannot offer any protection, your name is misleading.

He says he studied google laws. Now, where is game-protect with that ?
You can study something but never graduate. He doesn't say he has a diploma.
I'm almost certain he tried to say he studied law via google.
You can "study" something without going to a college or enrolling in any classes.
He just opened google and searched for "online casino laws for dummies new 2018".
Bam, instant expert.


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June 04, 2018, 11:46:06 PM
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3) Can you tell me how will you protect players if unlicensed casino Ignition steal money from them?
Another blatant lie in the name of FortuneJack
Please quote where Game Protect states that we protect players if a casino steals their money?

Ehrm, it's your name? GameProtect.
If you cannot offer any protection, your name is misleading.
First of all the name is Game Protect and not Player Protect.

Secondly, we protect players if they read the Warnings list.

Thirdly, what Game Protect offers is clearly stated on the website:

- Dispute resolution between you and the operators for your Game Protect qualified gaming accounts
    
- Lawyer and civil court proceeding, in case you have a valid claim and we can not reach a resolution
    
- Private investigations if operators commit offenses like embezzlement, scam and money laundering

As you can see, not one word about we protect players after a casino stole their money!

Marlboroza claims things not anyhow related to Game Protect, even though he certainly read countless hours there.

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June 04, 2018, 11:53:37 PM
Last edit: June 05, 2018, 12:06:04 AM by Lutpin
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First of all the name is Game (No-)Protect and not Player (No-)Protect.
So you would not object if I said that you have no intention to protect players in any possible way?
You wouldn't object either if I said that you are in no way acting in the interest of the players registering on websites through your affiliate links?

Secondly, we (no-)protect players if they read the Warnings list.
Sorry, I'm confused. Do you protect players now, or don't you? The line before, you said it's NOT player protection.
However, your thread title and personal text say "consumer protection", aren't the consumers the players in this case?

Anyway, since Ignition is not on this "warning" list, they are part of your "protection"™, correct?

Thirdly, what Game (No-)Protect offers is clearly stated on the website:
- Dispute resolution between you and the operators for your Game (No-)Protect qualified gaming accounts
- (snip irrelevant and impossible)
- Private investigations if operators commit offenses like embezzlement, scam and money laundering
As you can see, not one word about we protect players after a casino stole their money!
I would say a theft is both a dispute and an offense/scam, thus there are two words/points about casinos stealing money.
Unless you want to state for the record that you can not and will not attempt to protect players who have been scammed.


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June 05, 2018, 12:05:50 AM
Last edit: June 05, 2018, 12:21:27 AM by micromen
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First of all the name is Game Protect and not Player Protect.

On your website you offer a "online gambling consumer protection service"..
Isn't a gambling consumer a player? Or are you going to quote a fake defenition again?


Besides, you had them on your affiliate list = advertising.
Definition advertising: Advertising is a means of communication with the users of a product or service. Advertisements are messages paid for by those who send them and are intended to inform or influence people who receive them, as defined by the Advertising Association of the UK.

Where and who does Game Protect pay to advertise Crypto-Games and Ignition?

Where and how does Game Protect intend to influence people to register and play at Crypto-Games and Ignition?



That is not as defined by the Advertising Association of the UK.
You changed a couple of things.
This is the original defenition of the Advertising Association of the UK

"Advertising is any communication, usually paid-for, specifically intended to inform and/or influence one or more people. #AdBigQs"
Link : https://www.adassoc.org.uk/advertisings-big-questions/what-is-advertising/

By saying they qualify for free for your online gambling consumer protection service by registering on those sites you influence them to register and play on those sites.
Telling people on your site what the promotions are informs players about the site and is therefore also falls under the defenition of advertising by the Advertising Association of the UK that you listed as a source for the defenition of advertising.



This printscreen was made +-20 hours before this post, it has now since changed.


Questions

1) if you offer your service for free to people who register on those sites, does it not influence them to register?
2) If you post information about their ongoing promotions does that not inform people about that service?
3) does giving a complete guide on how to register (including this message : "1. Press the register now button") not inform people on how to register for the service, and influence them to do so? Because it literally says "Fill out the registration form at Ignition website." and that could be looked at as influencing people to register for that service.
4) Does the message "At Ignition poker casino, you'll get your adrenaline pumping as you dive right into the thrill of competition? it's high-intensity at its finest." not influence people to register for that service?

Answer those questions please, or are you saying that the sentance "At Ignition poker casino, you'll get your adrenaline pumping as you dive right into the thrill of competition! it's high-intensity at its finest." is not influencing people to register there?


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June 05, 2018, 12:30:44 AM
Last edit: June 05, 2018, 12:45:20 AM by game-protect
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First of all the name is Game (No-)Protect and not Player (No-)Protect.

So you would not object if I said that you have no intention to protect players in any possible way?
It is not possible to protect players in any possible way! For example, Game Protect informs since 1,5 years about Cloudbet scam has no license! and since then every day new people deposit there and have problems.


You wouldn't object either if I said that you are in no way acting in the interest of the players registering on websites through your affiliate links?
If players sign up with any Qualify free operator, then we offer the following

- Dispute resolution between you and the operators for your Game Protect qualified gaming accounts
    
- Lawyer and civil court proceeding, in case you have a valid claim and we can not reach a resolution
    
- Private investigations if operators commit offenses like embezzlement, scam and money laundering

So if you would say this is not acting in the interest of the players, I would say it is.


Secondly, we (no-)protect players if they read the Warnings list.

Sorry, I'm confused. Do you protect players now, or don't you?
Whenever they read the Warnings list

The line before, you said it's NOT player protection.
The line before was about the name and I said the name is Game Protect and not Player Protect.


Anyway, since Ignition is not on this "warning" list, they are part of your "protection"™, correct?
If players sign up at Ignition with Game Protect, then it is part of my

- Dispute resolution between you and the operators for your Game Protect qualified gaming accounts
    
- Lawyer and civil court proceeding, in case you have a valid claim and we can not reach a resolution
    
- Private investigations if operators commit offenses like embezzlement, scam and money laundering

But casinos not on the Warnings list are not automatically part of the above mentioned.


Thirdly, what Game (No-)Protect offers is clearly stated on the website:
- Dispute resolution between you and the operators for your Game Protect qualified gaming accounts
- Private investigations if operators commit offenses like embezzlement, scam and money laundering
As you can see, not one word about we protect players after a casino stole their money!

I would say a theft is both a dispute and an offense/scam, thus there are two words/points about casinos stealing money.
A theft is a criminal offense / scam.

A dispute is typically a disagreement between player and casino, but in case of theft = criminal offense it is clear what happened.


Unless you want to state for the record that you can not and will not attempt to protect players who have been scammed.
I can not follow your wording here?

Because usually trying to protect someone is trying to prevent someone from having a damage. But if a player is already scammed, how can you protect him from being scammed?

After a damage happened, protection obviously failed and the only thing you can do is trying to get the damage compensated. And yes, Game Protect tries to get the damage compensated for qualified account issues.

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June 05, 2018, 12:47:25 AM
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If players sign up with any  operator, then we offer the following
- (snip wishy washy)
- Lawyer and civil court proceeding, in case you have a valid claim and we can not reach a resolution
- Private investigations if operators commit offenses like embezzlement, scam and money laundering
How many legal actions have you initiated?
How many of those actions resulted in court cases? How many of those cases did you win?
And how often did you not manage to achieve anything by using the way of the court?


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June 05, 2018, 12:52:22 AM
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It is not possible to protect players in any possible way!

So the "Game protect online gaming consumer protection service" is not able to protect players in any possible way?

Well that's a confusing title...
You could almost say it's....
False advertising?



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If players sign up with any  operator, then we offer the following
- (snip wishy washy)
- Lawyer and civil court proceeding, in case you have a valid claim and we can not reach a resolution
- Private investigations if operators commit offenses like embezzlement, scam and money laundering
How many legal actions have you initiated?
Several.


How many of those actions resulted in court cases?
One.

How many of those cases did you win?
One.


And how often did you not manage to achieve anything by using the way of the court?
See above.

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June 05, 2018, 01:05:27 AM
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You still haven't answered any questions, could you please do so in a structured way? Thank you


Besides, you had them on your affiliate list = advertising.
Definition advertising: Advertising is a means of communication with the users of a product or service. Advertisements are messages paid for by those who send them and are intended to inform or influence people who receive them, as defined by the Advertising Association of the UK.

Where and who does Game Protect pay to advertise Crypto-Games and Ignition?

Where and how does Game Protect intend to influence people to register and play at Crypto-Games and Ignition?



That is not as defined by the Advertising Association of the UK.
You changed a couple of things.
This is the original defenition of the Advertising Association of the UK

"Advertising is any communication, usually paid-for, specifically intended to inform and/or influence one or more people. #AdBigQs"
Link : https://www.adassoc.org.uk/advertisings-big-questions/what-is-advertising/

By saying they qualify for free for your online gambling consumer protection service by registering on those sites you influence them to register and play on those sites.
Telling people on your site what the promotions are informs players about the site and is therefore also falls under the defenition of advertising by the Advertising Association of the UK that you listed as a source for the defenition of advertising.



This printscreen was made +-20 hours before this post, it has now since changed.


Questions

1) if you offer your service for free to people who register on those sites, does it not influence them to register?
2) If you post information about their ongoing promotions does that not inform people about that service?
3) does giving a complete guide on how to register (including this message : "1. Press the register now button") not inform people on how to register for the service, and influence them to do so? Because it literally says "Fill out the registration form at Ignition website." and that could be looked at as influencing people to register for that service.
4) Does the message "At Ignition poker casino, you'll get your adrenaline pumping as you dive right into the thrill of competition? it's high-intensity at its finest." not influence people to register for that service?

Answer those questions please, or are you saying that the sentance "At Ignition poker casino, you'll get your adrenaline pumping as you dive right into the thrill of competition! it's high-intensity at its finest." is not influencing people to register there?



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How many of those actions resulted in court cases?
One.
How many of those cases did you win?
One.
Would you be able to show us records of your actions in front of a court of law?


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June 05, 2018, 01:11:33 AM
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How many legal actions have you initiated?
Several.
How many of those actions resulted in court cases?
One.
How many of those cases did you win?
One.
And how often did you not manage to achieve anything by using the way of the court?
See above.

So only one customer has been compensated for his loss in a judicial way.
How many reports did you receive ?
You claim that lots of operators are scammers. If so, why their victims didn't contact you and recover their money thanks to your service ?

What about the 2 BTC "donation" you require in advance to help a scam victim to recover 6 BTC that were scammed ? (So 4 BTC really, since your service requires a donation of 2 BTC).
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Last edit: June 05, 2018, 01:46:55 AM by game-protect
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How many of those actions resulted in court cases?
One.
How many of those cases did you win?
One.
Would you be able to show us records of your actions in front of a court of law?
Some people have put a lot of effort into something that lead to success and we will not publicise it, so that other people who did not contribute anything can use it for free.

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June 05, 2018, 01:42:26 AM
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How many reports did you receive ?
Hundreds!

No wait,
Face the reality. No one is continuously reporting anything at your site and no one is asking your help. People are not stupid to use your shady service.


You claim that lots of operators are scammers. If so, why their victims didn't contact you and recover their money thanks to your service ?
Hundreds of victims contacted Game Protect, but those were all Game Protect not qualified account issues and approximately 99% of the victims are not willing to contribute anything to enforce their claim!


What about the 2 BTC "donation" you require in advance to help a scam victim to recover 6 BTC that were scammed ? (So 4 BTC really, since your service requires a donation of 2 BTC).
Where?

Game Protect usually asks for a donation in the height of 5% of the claim and not 33% as you are blatant lying again in the name of FortuneShit!

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How many reports did you receive ?
Hundreds!

No wait,
Face the reality. No one is continuously reporting anything at your site and no one is asking your help. People are not stupid to use your shady service.
It is you saying hundreds.. What is your word worth ? Under google law, I'd say 1/googol.



You claim that lots of operators are scammers. If so, why their victims didn't contact you and recover their money thanks to your service ?
Hundreds of victims contacted Game Protect, but those were all Game Protect not qualified account issues and approximately 99% of the victims are not willing to contribute anything to enforce their claim!
Not qualified since they didn't sign up through your referral links ?



What about the 2 BTC "donation" you require in advance to help a scam victim to recover 6 BTC that were scammed ? (So 4 BTC really, since your service requires a donation of 2 BTC).
Where?

There :

i can offer you 2 BTC if you bring me the 6 BTC
The debtor is known, but you have to send in advance, because you are a liar.



Game Protect usually asks for a donation in the height of 5% of the claim and not 33% as you are blatant lying again in the name of FortuneShit!
Why didn't you say. "I'll help you for 5% of 6BTC" ? (Which makes it a 0.15BTC scam attempt instead of a 2BTC one).
I can give a donation to a church. I don't expect nothing in return.
If you require a donation to do something for someone, this is a payment and an implicit contract is established between you and the victim.
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Game Protect usually asks for a donation in the height of 5% of the claim and not 33% as you are blatant lying again in the name of FortuneShit!

You ask for a donation in advance for a service that you cannot prove you have ever provided?

Do you even have a license for selling these services online? Grin


If you love to drive cars without insurance or use Game Protect, we wish you good luck!


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June 05, 2018, 02:13:02 AM
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You claim that lots of operators are scammers. If so, why their victims didn't contact you and recover their money thanks to your service ?
Hundreds of victims contacted Game Protect, but those were all Game Protect not qualified account issues and approximately 99% of the victims are not willing to contribute anything to enforce their claim!

Not qualified since they didn't sign up through your referral links ?
Correct.


What about the 2 BTC "donation" you require in advance to help a scam victim to recover 6 BTC that were scammed ? (So 4 BTC really, since your service requires a donation of 2 BTC).
Where?

There :

i can offer you 2 BTC if you bring me the 6 BTC
The debtor is known, but you have to send in advance, because you are a liar.
Sorry, I probably need to take some LSD like you do, but at the moment I am not able to see the letters 2 BTC in my statement?

The debtor is known, but you have to send in advance, because you are a liar.

Also, you missed the part that he offered to give 2 BTC after he received his 6 BTC. But Game Protect takes only donations in advance, logically.


Game Protect usually asks for a donation in the height of 5% of the claim and not 33% as you are blatant lying again in the name of FortuneShit!
Why didn't you say. "I'll help you for 5% of 6BTC" ? (Which makes it a 0.15BTC scam attempt instead of a 2BTC one).
He is already informed about this circumstance Powerbet scam 75:25 litigation in process, join + claim your money!


If you require a donation to do something for someone, this is a payment and an implicit contract is established between you and the victim.
As I already informed you several times, Game Protect does not make contracts, neither implicit nor whatever you would like to call it! Cheesy

Blatant lies in the name of FortuneShit does not become the truth only because you repeat them!

However, if you are able to quote the applicable laws declaring donations as a payment I will adjust my statement. Wink

Hence, never! Cheesy

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i can offer you 2 BTC if you bring me the 6 BTC
The debtor is known, but you have to send in advance, because you are a liar.
Sorry, I probably need to take some LSD like you do, but at the moment I am not able to see the letters 2 BTC in my statement?

It's in your post. You are referring to it since you have quoted it.
How can you possibly be meaning something else ? If you were meaning something else, why quoting these numbers ?
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June 05, 2018, 02:53:39 AM
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i can offer you 2 BTC if you bring me the 6 BTC
The debtor is known, but you have to send in advance, because you are a liar.
Sorry, I probably need to take some LSD like you do, but at the moment I am not able to see the letters 2 BTC in my statement?

It's in your post. You are referring to it since you have quoted it.
How can you possibly be meaning something else ?
But there is a huge different between the 2 BTC is in my post and you think I meant he has to give me 2 BTC in advance, right?

So I suggest to not declare what you think I meant as a fact!

If I mean he has to give me 2 BTC in advance, then I post he has to give me 2 BTC in advance, simple.


If you were meaning something else, why quoting these numbers ?
Did I only quote these numbers or did I quote his whole post?

I tell you why I quoted his post. He made this post in the MegaDice thread and I quoted his post to the powerbet thread to have the conversation in the proper thread, that's all.

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