Bitcoin Forum
May 06, 2024, 05:16:53 AM *
News: Latest Bitcoin Core release: 27.0 [Torrent]
 
   Home   Help Search Login Register More  
Pages: [1]
  Print  
Author Topic: Bitcoin business refunds  (Read 1070 times)
starsoccer9 (OP)
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1630
Merit: 1000



View Profile
March 10, 2013, 10:47:38 PM
 #1

I have been reading alot of thread about people who buy something in bitcoins and then when they want a refund get shorted bitcoins. I understand that this is because the price rose or lowered or w.e. but if you ever expect bitcoin to become the currency used you have to stop treating bitcoin as gold and its value is stuck to fait currency. As long as this is done bitcoin can and will never gain use as a normal currency simply as a middleman or currency exchaning currency, sorta like gold.
1714972613
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1714972613

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1714972613
Reply with quote  #2

1714972613
Report to moderator
1714972613
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1714972613

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1714972613
Reply with quote  #2

1714972613
Report to moderator
1714972613
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1714972613

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1714972613
Reply with quote  #2

1714972613
Report to moderator
"Bitcoin: mining our own business since 2009" -- Pieter Wuille
Advertised sites are not endorsed by the Bitcoin Forum. They may be unsafe, untrustworthy, or illegal in your jurisdiction.
1714972613
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1714972613

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1714972613
Reply with quote  #2

1714972613
Report to moderator
bullioner
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Activity: 166
Merit: 101


View Profile
March 10, 2013, 11:00:18 PM
 #2

I have been reading alot of thread about people who buy something in bitcoins and then when they want a refund get shorted bitcoins. I understand that this is because the price rose or lowered or w.e. but if you ever expect bitcoin to become the currency used you have to stop treating bitcoin as gold and its value is stuck to fait currency. As long as this is done bitcoin can and will never gain use as a normal currency simply as a middleman or currency exchaning currency, sorta like gold.

Not viable for anything with volatile value.  Bitcoin will always have a volatile value because of the supply characteristics, which is fine, but you have to treat it appropriately.  If contracts need to have stable value -- and refund offers do -- then they will need to be priced in something less risky.  This might be a commodity index on top of Bitcoin, or it might be a fiat currency with a history of low enough inflation for it to make sense.  Otherwise the customer with the refund option is effectively getting a free call option on coins, and the retailer is issuing free call options.  If people don't accept that contracts where stable value is important can't be made directly in Bitcoins, this is going to prevent its acceptance as payment where there is any possibility of refund.
benjamindees
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1330
Merit: 1000


View Profile
March 11, 2013, 09:41:30 AM
 #3

Most electronics sellers charge a restocking fee.  That seems like a good solution.

Civil Liberty Through Complex Mathematics
BitcoinAshley
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 448
Merit: 250



View Profile
March 11, 2013, 01:50:02 PM
 #4

Eh, no, you've got it backwards. Bitcoin must become far more stable before it becomes viable for sellers to stop pegging their prices to USD.

It's like, which came first, the bitcoin becoming less volatile (chicken) or merchants discontinuing the practice of pegging prices to the USD (egg)?

Actually, both are likely to gradually happen at the same time. As we see volatility decrease (might be a while!) we will see seller's adoption of BTC prices increase.

MagicBit15
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 294
Merit: 250


Let's Start a Cryptolution!!


View Profile
March 12, 2013, 01:08:17 PM
 #5

I Imagine it depends on the value, because bitcoins is just a representation of that. You get different refunds in different currencies depending on the conversion rate, I imagine it would be the same.

Tips for Tips: 1Jy8ZycPNjnwNLevNwoRRqPAKkZ8Fqnukc
I won the poetry contest!! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=219714.40 Thank You, Sir Lambert!!
+5 Rep: Successful Forum Transactions: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=176117.0  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=209024.0 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=233052 Check My Rep!!
kjj
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1302
Merit: 1024



View Profile
March 12, 2013, 04:58:29 PM
 #6

What it will come down to in the end is that no court in the world will order reimbursement in bitcoin.  I could be wrong about that, but I'm not aware of any country that doesn't have legal tender laws.

Some day, that may change.

17Np17BSrpnHCZ2pgtiMNnhjnsWJ2TMqq8
I routinely ignore posters with paid advertising in their sigs.  You should too.
phlogistonq
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Activity: 159
Merit: 100


View Profile
March 17, 2013, 12:43:40 AM
 #7

This happens with fiat too, but the difference is too small to be noticable on the timescale of days/weeks between purchase and refund.

If you were to buy some item and return it 50 years later for the going price, inflation will ensure you get fewer dollars in return.

With the rapid increase in BTC value, a noticable difference occurs in days, heck even in hours when you pay/refund in BTC.

Pages: [1]
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.19 | SMF © 2006-2009, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!