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November 20, 2016, 04:11:29 PM
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And if you happen to use Openledger, please make sure to save the backup on atleast 2-3 devices / drives and write down the password on a piece of paper.

I've just lost the access to ALL of my heat due to a cache clean on chrome.
I feel horrible.
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how many we talking?

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November 20, 2016, 10:41:43 PM
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And if you happen to use Openledger, please make sure to save the backup on atleast 2-3 devices / drives and write down the password on a piece of paper.

I've just lost the access to ALL of my heat due to a cache clean on chrome.
I feel horrible.
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Man that sucks, but hey I know exactly how you feel!!! I too invested in heat bigtime and after reading the whitepaper I realized that I just flushed my money down the toilet and deep down in the sewer there is some greedy ooze eating dick that was just waiting for me to pull the flusher so that my money would be sent right into his pockets. But of course this was not enough... No it got worse... Then I saw the interview on the utubez where these 2 snobs were basically describing what could be called an upgrade to their poorly performing fimk coin client nobody ever heard of. Why make a new coin when you can just upgrade your old one?! But yeah I knew the answer already and it all felt like a Brock-Lesnar-kick straight to the nutz. Oh dat pain... But I got totally roasted when I made fun of the so called whitepaper on bitcointalk and the developer told me that next time I should write the whitepaper. That was it! Fatality! I realized what a fool I was and how it was all my fault. Shame... shame... shame.....

But maybe you can get your one dollar fitty back (which was once a few thousand bucks) by trying to open a second account and claim your heat again, maybe that works. If not try to contact support and ask if you can do that... I know I know... nobody will answer until you complain on bitcointalk that they are not answering your requests... but you know what to do, right? exactly! Do as I do and keep on trolling!
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November 21, 2016, 03:49:58 AM
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Another gambling platform is not really a valuable niche to fill, so many are doing it. Heat strength lies in having direct connection to clients of other crypto. If they can make a true decentralized exchange on top of it that works and looks as good as openledger/polo and not require gateway by moving other crypto directly, it will change crypto forever and there really isn't a limit to its growth potential. So far no one has been able to do it, or even come close. no silly tokens as IOU's, literally hyperledger of all ledgers, one ledger to control any of them. I truly hope the focus will be on this big picture stuff and not which exchanges its added on. Where we're going, it shouldn't need other exchanges, it will literally replace them and improve far past them since it's trustless and open source.

The first one that gets liquidity to a decentralized crypto exchange will be the hero. OMNI tries it with futures. I hope heat will NOT be like openledger, so illiquid.

Would you say its iliquid because there are not enough people trading there? Why arent people using it?

Definitely not enough people there, also you either need to buy bitshares to use it but that shits volatile, the other option is their open.btc but what is that, some token pegged to btc, i dont know, hard to deposit btc there aswell... didnt work for me... I bought heat from there and it was really hard... First i bought bitshares on polo then i transfered them to bitshares openledger, then bought open.btc there and used that to buy HEAT if i remember correctly..



Yes I see. I agree that open ledger is certainly not user friendly. And the charts are confusing. But to think about though.. people seem to be actually opting for the centralized exchange over the Decentralized one. How are people aupposed to believe blockchain is better when even we wont use it

Woof woof!!
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November 21, 2016, 04:07:45 AM
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Are HEAT and openledger affiliated?

Woof woof!!
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November 21, 2016, 04:39:06 AM
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Can heat include SNARK Parameters Securely?

or apply the core of the Zcash security anonymity protocols?

This would be the icing on the cake..

Or with the close relationship of the Heat team with Supernet can it piggyback on Komodo which offers SNARK and also Dpow.

So tags onto the BTC blockchain.

Heat promotes itself as a speed demon so with these added features as long as it does not effect speed would be nice as plugin or set up on the first child chain.


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November 21, 2016, 04:40:50 AM
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Are HEAT and openledger affiliated?

Yeah, maybe so, but that is a small exchange, and heat's vision is to kill centralized exchanges.
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November 21, 2016, 04:43:23 AM
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Are HEAT and openledger affiliated?

Yeah, maybe so, but that is a small exchange, and heat's vision is to kill centralized exchanges.

OpenLedger is decentralized from BTS

But it is not easy to understand and not user friendly.

Of course these exchanges decentralized can look complicated as anyone can make a coin or an asset.

So the page itself needs to have nice explanations and instructions. help notes etc.

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November 21, 2016, 05:42:20 AM
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Yes exactly. The number one reason people arent getting into crypto is cause it seems difficult.

Woof woof!!
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So current price of 0.0013 is 400% ICO price for most of people, right? Almost half of them invested in FIMK. How are those people supposed to cash out at once?

If they're up 400% and want to get-rid-quick there will be exchanges where they can just dump it and gtfo. Liqui for example is very quick to add new coins but lacks volume a little bit. Also Heat can be traded on C-Cex and Alcurex. So if they want to dump they can and others will gladly pick up their coins.  Wink
The problem with cashing out at once by a lot of people is that it destroys the price temporarily but that's something everybody has to decide for himself. Whether the pure greed or the patience out of greed is stronger.  Grin
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November 21, 2016, 10:39:42 AM
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So current price of 0.0013 is 400% ICO price for most of people, right? Almost half of them invested in FIMK. How are those people supposed to cash out at once?

If they're up 400% and want to get-rid-quick there will be exchanges where they can just dump it and gtfo. Liqui for example is very quick to add new coins but lacks volume a little bit. Also Heat can be traded on C-Cex and Alcurex. So if they want to dump they can and others will gladly pick up their coins.  Wink
The problem with cashing out at once by a lot of people is that it destroys the price temporarily but that's something everybody has to decide for himself. Whether the pure greed or the patience out of greed is stronger.  Grin

400% is fine profit by my standards but the liquidity is just too low. If someone would try to sell now the price would go to zero, even below the ICO price. Where are the buyers? This is quite scary for a project that was delayed for such a long time.

Who is up 400%? At what price did folks buy in at, to be at +400% right now?

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November 21, 2016, 10:52:49 AM
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So current price of 0.0013 is 400% ICO price for most of people, right? Almost half of them invested in FIMK. How are those people supposed to cash out at once?

If they're up 400% and want to get-rid-quick there will be exchanges where they can just dump it and gtfo. Liqui for example is very quick to add new coins but lacks volume a little bit. Also Heat can be traded on C-Cex and Alcurex. So if they want to dump they can and others will gladly pick up their coins.  Wink
The problem with cashing out at once by a lot of people is that it destroys the price temporarily but that's something everybody has to decide for himself. Whether the pure greed or the patience out of greed is stronger.  Grin

400% is fine profit by my standards but the liquidity is just too low. If someone would try to sell now the price would go to zero, even below the ICO price. Where are the buyers? This is quite scary for a project that was delayed for such a long time.

Who is up 400%? At what price did folks buy in at, to be at +400% right now?

Anyone who got in Phase 1 in FIMK got in very cheap, including JL77, both Devs and a few other 15,000,000 FIM holders will have huge potential profits on an exchange opening at the current price.

Maybe thats why they do not want to be on a major exchange in the start.

Never good to have your graph in a major exchange just crash on opening.

Now with the delays and minimal communication c-cex may also go through complete crashes to zero. As we have seen twice already.

But remember on Genisis they have a plan to have about three new companies ready to crowd-source or do an ICO on the HEAT platform.

So i hope there is a lot happening behind the scene.


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November 21, 2016, 10:57:23 AM
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So current price of 0.0013 is 400% ICO price for most of people, right? Almost half of them invested in FIMK. How are those people supposed to cash out at once?

If they're up 400% and want to get-rid-quick there will be exchanges where they can just dump it and gtfo. Liqui for example is very quick to add new coins but lacks volume a little bit. Also Heat can be traded on C-Cex and Alcurex. So if they want to dump they can and others will gladly pick up their coins.  Wink
The problem with cashing out at once by a lot of people is that it destroys the price temporarily but that's something everybody has to decide for himself. Whether the pure greed or the patience out of greed is stronger.  Grin

400% is fine profit by my standards but the liquidity is just too low. If someone would try to sell now the price would go to zero, even below the ICO price. Where are the buyers? This is quite scary for a project that was delayed for such a long time.

Who is up 400%? At what price did folks buy in at, to be at +400% right now?
He is just assuming that most people bought with FIMK at the lowest possible price. And then you would have to add the increased price of BTC and then some people might get close to 400%.

But the HEAT bought with FIMK are still locked and cant be sold.

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November 21, 2016, 11:01:08 AM
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So current price of 0.0013 is 400% ICO price for most of people, right? Almost half of them invested in FIMK. How are those people supposed to cash out at once?

If they're up 400% and want to get-rid-quick there will be exchanges where they can just dump it and gtfo. Liqui for example is very quick to add new coins but lacks volume a little bit. Also Heat can be traded on C-Cex and Alcurex. So if they want to dump they can and others will gladly pick up their coins.  Wink
The problem with cashing out at once by a lot of people is that it destroys the price temporarily but that's something everybody has to decide for himself. Whether the pure greed or the patience out of greed is stronger.  Grin

400% is fine profit by my standards but the liquidity is just too low. If someone would try to sell now the price would go to zero, even below the ICO price. Where are the buyers? This is quite scary for a project that was delayed for such a long time.

Who is up 400%? At what price did folks buy in at, to be at +400% right now?

About 50% coins will be distributed to those who bought with FIMK. Those people are in huge profits now. The rest have only tiny profit and those who bought at the end are even on a loss. But for most people those are huge profits that's why they are desperately looking for a launch to dump, which is not good.

ok that make sense. This project is so slow - it's painful. Folks are being patient but clearly development is hampered by a lack of resource.

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November 21, 2016, 03:41:01 PM
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Are HEAT and openledger affiliated?
CCEDK (Openledger) co-operated with us for escrow & marketing for the ICO. Thus, it's one of the exchanges you can already trade the HEAT stake IOUs when the real tokens aren't out.

About 50% coins will be distributed to those who bought with FIMK. Those people are in huge profits now. The rest have only tiny profit and those who bought at the end are even on a loss. But for most people those are huge profits that's why they are desperately looking for a launch to dump, which is not good.
About 40%. HEAT is a long term project - I wouldn't pay much attention to exchange rate at launch which often can be arbitrary with wild swings.

So i hope there is a lot happening behind the scene.
There is (which of course is partially subjecting us to the delays).



         
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About 50% coins will be distributed to those who bought with FIMK. Those people are in huge profits now. The rest have only tiny profit and those who bought at the end are even on a loss. But for most people those are huge profits that's why they are desperately looking for a launch to dump, which is not good.
About 40%. HEAT is a long term project - I wouldn't pay much attention to exchange rate at launch which often can be arbitrary with wild swings.

Finger crosesed for 3300 BTC/HEAT Grin

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November 21, 2016, 05:18:37 PM
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About 50% coins will be distributed to those who bought with FIMK. Those people are in huge profits now. The rest have only tiny profit and those who bought at the end are even on a loss. But for most people those are huge profits that's why they are desperately looking for a launch to dump, which is not good.
About 40%. HEAT is a long term project - I wouldn't pay much attention to exchange rate at launch which often can be arbitrary with wild swings.

Finger crosesed for 3300 BTC/HEAT Grin

Let's get to 0.001 btc/HEAT first Wink
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November 21, 2016, 05:26:16 PM
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Another gambling platform is not really a valuable niche to fill, so many are doing it. Heat strength lies in having direct connection to clients of other crypto. If they can make a true decentralized exchange on top of it that works and looks as good as openledger/polo and not require gateway by moving other crypto directly, it will change crypto forever and there really isn't a limit to its growth potential. So far no one has been able to do it, or even come close. no silly tokens as IOU's, literally hyperledger of all ledgers, one ledger to control any of them. I truly hope the focus will be on this big picture stuff and not which exchanges its added on. Where we're going, it shouldn't need other exchanges, it will literally replace them and improve far past them since it's trustless and open source.

The first one that gets liquidity to a decentralized crypto exchange will be the hero. OMNI tries it with futures. I hope heat will NOT be like openledger, so illiquid.

Would you say its iliquid because there are not enough people trading there? Why arent people using it?

Definitely not enough people there, also you either need to buy bitshares to use it but that shits volatile, the other option is their open.btc but what is that, some token pegged to btc, i dont know, hard to deposit btc there aswell... didnt work for me... I bought heat from there and it was really hard... First i bought bitshares on polo then i transfered them to bitshares openledger, then bought open.btc there and used that to buy HEAT if i remember correctly..

Pegged to bitUSd, it should get higher tuneover, in theory. On a side note, playing aces in hope another decentralized garbage brings u more adoption than existing centralized exchangers is a zero sum game against bigger platforms like polo that have been around for years, and established influence on game participants accordingly. Another openledger clone? Gud lawk with that. On this scale, if a bag with libertarians bubbles and everyone goes nuts and translates all their property to openledge, it will crack apart like american democracy.
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November 21, 2016, 05:31:13 PM
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So i hope there is a lot happening behind the scene.
There is (which of course is partially subjecting us to the delays).

So I guess the genesis block is not close after all?
Take all the time you need. Just make it good Wink.
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Pegged to bitUSd, it should get higher tuneover, in theory. On a side note, playing aces in hope another decentralized garbage brings u more adoption than existing centralized exchangers is a zero sum game against bigger platforms like polo that have been around for years, and established influence on game participants accordingly. Another openledger clone? Gud lawk with that. On this scale, if a bag with libertarians bubbles and everyone goes nuts and translates all their property to openledge, it will crack apart like american democracy.

There is no true decentralized ledger right now. Openledger idea is nice but it has several issues. One is centralized and limited gateways for taking things out of open.btc or open.*, and there are tons of coins there without direct gateway or bridge to get it out. Problem with bitUSD is explained by waves faq:

"The second difference is the feasibility of the “market peg” approach. This is of course open to discussion, but one may objectively evaluate the success of that approach by looking at the history of their most praised market pegged crypto-asset, namely, BitUSD. I doubt if any big corporation in the future will ever decide to rely on the idea “if everyone thinks something is worth 1 USD, then that thing is forced to be worth 1 USD.”"

Not that waves is any better.

It has to be direct blockchain to blockchain connections. Forget fiat, even crypto to crypto decentralized exchange isn't done yet. Bitsquare, for example, relies on every altcoin transaction being checked by users which takes up to 24 hours for me. That is not attractive for liquidity at all.

If you can have polo without the uncertainty of which coins they will add, withdrawing more than 2k usd per day, worrying about keeping coins on an exchange and given an IOU like polo.BTC instead of your own wallets, it's easy to see a real working decentralized exchange taking off. Hell, I could provide liquidity for my favorite pairs myself.
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Pegged to bitUSd, it should get higher tuneover, in theory. On a side note, playing aces in hope another decentralized garbage brings u more adoption than existing centralized exchangers is a zero sum game against bigger platforms like polo that have been around for years, and established influence on game participants accordingly. Another openledger clone? Gud lawk with that. On this scale, if a bag with libertarians bubbles and everyone goes nuts and translates all their property to openledge, it will crack apart like american democracy.

There is no true decentralized ledger right now. Openledger idea is nice but it has several issues. One is centralized and limited gateways for taking things out of open.btc or open.*, and there are tons of coins there without direct gateway or bridge to get it out. Problem with bitUSD is explained by waves faq:

"The second difference is the feasibility of the “market peg” approach. This is of course open to discussion, but one may objectively evaluate the success of that approach by looking at the history of their most praised market pegged crypto-asset, namely, BitUSD. I doubt if any big corporation in the future will ever decide to rely on the idea “if everyone thinks something is worth 1 USD, then that thing is forced to be worth 1 USD.”"

Not that waves is any better.

It has to be direct blockchain to blockchain connections. Forget fiat, even crypto to crypto decentralized exchange isn't done yet. Bitsquare, for example, relies on every altcoin transaction being checked by users which takes up to 24 hours for me. That is not attractive for liquidity at all.

If you can have polo without the uncertainty of which coins they will add, withdrawing more than 2k usd per day, worrying about keeping coins on an exchange and given an IOU like polo.BTC instead of your own wallets, it's easy to see a real working decentralized exchange taking off. Hell, I could provide liquidity for my favorite pairs myself.

This will blow you away...

Look up PAX from komodo. Decentralized pegging to 32 currencies based on ECB information and other data points. It will have atomic swaps as well and instantdex liquidity providers that will act as gateways to exchanges.





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