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December 27, 2016, 04:42:14 PM
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I am curious why he needs to be "in the mood" to give an update?
Because otherwise he won't give one of course. He's a coder and genius at that, but not very adept in handling public relations. Just like me, but even worse Tongue
I doubt that genius part very much, if he would be the great genius you are emphazing on everytime you talk about him, then we maybe would have had a finished product already and maybe he would upload stuff on github. Github is there to upload your code yo know?


Yes i too would like to know what is happening.
What's happening is development, mixed with family handling and holiday season to put it frankly.
You couldn't be more of a condescending cunt to answer this question in your high nosed dickhead manner instead of focusing on other important questions.

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Is Dennis working or is he sick?
FWIK he's been working part time during the Christmas days, taking care of family where possible, the exact same that I've been doing myself. If you have a family to take care of, you'd know there are quite a few modes of existence between being sick and working 24/7 month after month Wink
You condescending cunt. Okay so you have been working part times? Well what exactly have YOU done, yes YOU and not Dennis? Dennis is coding something in the basement and is not able to show any of his "genius code", okay, this sucks but I get that. But what exactly have YOU done, the one next besides Dennis?? Because from you I have seen nothing so far, absolutely no work! There is more work involved in any of my posts on this thread than in all of your nonsense bullshit posts you stupid twat!

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What is with the no progress in GitHub?
The code is on company premises where development happens, and needs to be cleaned before being deployed to Github. Also the server code needs to be edited or mostly removed from the public release because we're not going open source at launch time because of the obvious hazards of losing IPR and competitive advantage just like that. Client and some important parts will be open sourced, however there hasn't been reason to do that yet as HEAT core development is ongoing.
You gotta be fucking kidding me?! The coin will not be opensource? This is ridiculous! I will not even start your fucking client if it is not opensource and I can't compile it on my own! We are talking about a decentralized coin here and you think it is a good idea to make it closed source?! Why, because of competition and the price would go down? If the sourcecode is not open, nobody will EVER buy this crap, because nobody knows what they are buying because they can not verify it! And don't think anybody with half a brain trust in what you morons tell people what this is, because until now you couldn't care less about your investors than you showed you did!

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Are they serious about this project
Of course we are. It needs to be reminded HEAT is a fintech business project, involving a lot of aspects that most crypto-only coins aren't bothered with in the slightest. Thus the execution of our business is also different from what you're used to - causing the delays in the first place as everything needs to be coordinated from technical features, applications and extending to the readiness to support partnership setups.
Oh yeah your project is so ambitious that it needs a lot more work and everything and that is why we have to wait and delays are normal... You knew that from the beginning! And still you only have one developer and one guy who nobody knows what he is doing!

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now six months later we have nothing and no communication...
Six months - it's of little use to exaggerate, more like 4 and half months. No communication - I don't get that part but note taken
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WOW!! just WOW!! You condescending cunt! This is an absolute shitshow! Is there anything that you want to do about is? Or are you just noticing that you don't give a shit about your investors. Wait you say note taken, which means that you don't necessarily agree about it. I am speechless!

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Whats the deal guys tell us frankly what is happening
I hope I answered that to your satisfaction. Normal life and development, so nothing spectacular there to grow FUD on.
No you did not! And you should answer to my questions! And don't be such a condescending cunt and weazel your way out of this by saying something like: No I will not answer your questions because you use foul language!
I dare you!
I will wait until the end of february. Then I am going to look for the responsible people personally.
We're here and we're responsible whenever you'd like to have a chat f2f about which part of the company's crypto funding round you might have misunderstood, or any other similar issue there may be.
I really don't think a nice f2f chat is what he meant!


ALSO I DEMAND A PROOF WHERE YOU SHOW THAT YOU ARE STILL IN POSESSION OF THE INVESTORS FUNDS! YES CRYPTOGRAPHIC PROOF AND NO I WILL NOT TAKE YOUR WORD FOR IT!




PS: I was also thinking they would release everything right after the ICO. unfortunately I can not remember where I read this. If anybody knows the source of this, please tell me!
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December 27, 2016, 05:08:30 PM
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I am curious why he needs to be "in the mood" to give an update?
Because otherwise he won't give one of course. He's a coder and genius at that, but not very adept in handling public relations. Just like me, but even worse Tongue
I doubt that genius part very much, if he would be the great genius you are emphazing on everytime you talk about him, then we maybe would have had a finished product already and maybe he would upload stuff on github. Github is there to upload your code yo know?


Yes i too would like to know what is happening.
What's happening is development, mixed with family handling and holiday season to put it frankly.
You couldn't be more of a condescending cunt to answer this question in your high nosed dickhead manner instead of focusing on other important questions.

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Is Dennis working or is he sick?
FWIK he's been working part time during the Christmas days, taking care of family where possible, the exact same that I've been doing myself. If you have a family to take care of, you'd know there are quite a few modes of existence between being sick and working 24/7 month after month Wink
You condescending cunt. Okay so you have been working part times? Well what exactly have YOU done, yes YOU and not Dennis? Dennis is coding something in the basement and is not able to show any of his "genius code", okay, this sucks but I get that. But what exactly have YOU done, the one next besides Dennis?? Because from you I have seen nothing so far, absolutely no work! There is more work involved in any of my posts on this thread than in all of your nonsense bullshit posts you stupid twat!

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What is with the no progress in GitHub?
The code is on company premises where development happens, and needs to be cleaned before being deployed to Github. Also the server code needs to be edited or mostly removed from the public release because we're not going open source at launch time because of the obvious hazards of losing IPR and competitive advantage just like that. Client and some important parts will be open sourced, however there hasn't been reason to do that yet as HEAT core development is ongoing.
You gotta be fucking kidding me?! The coin will not be opensource? This is ridiculous! I will not even start your fucking client if it is not opensource and I can't compile it on my own! We are talking about a decentralized coin here and you think it is a good idea to make it closed source?! Why, because of competition and the price would go down? If the sourcecode is not open, nobody will EVER buy this crap, because nobody knows what they are buying because they can not verify it! And don't think anybody with half a brain trust in what you morons tell people what this is, because until now you couldn't care less about your investors than you showed you did!

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Are they serious about this project
Of course we are. It needs to be reminded HEAT is a fintech business project, involving a lot of aspects that most crypto-only coins aren't bothered with in the slightest. Thus the execution of our business is also different from what you're used to - causing the delays in the first place as everything needs to be coordinated from technical features, applications and extending to the readiness to support partnership setups.
Oh yeah your project is so ambitious that it needs a lot more work and everything and that is why we have to wait and delays are normal... You knew that from the beginning! And still you only have one developer and one guy who nobody knows what he is doing!

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now six months later we have nothing and no communication...
Six months - it's of little use to exaggerate, more like 4 and half months. No communication - I don't get that part but note taken
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WOW!! just WOW!! You condescending cunt! This is an absolute shitshow! Is there anything that you want to do about is? Or are you just noticing that you don't give a shit about your investors. Wait you say note taken, which means that you don't necessarily agree about it. I am speechless!

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Whats the deal guys tell us frankly what is happening
I hope I answered that to your satisfaction. Normal life and development, so nothing spectacular there to grow FUD on.
No you did not! And you should answer to my questions! And don't be such a condescending cunt and weazel your way out of this by saying something like: No I will not answer your questions because you use foul language!
I dare you!
I will wait until the end of february. Then I am going to look for the responsible people personally.
We're here and we're responsible whenever you'd like to have a chat f2f about which part of the company's crypto funding round you might have misunderstood, or any other similar issue there may be.
I really don't think a nice f2f chat is what he meant!


ALSO I DEMAND A PROOF WHERE YOU SHOW THAT YOU ARE STILL IN OSESSION OF THE INVESTORS FUNDS! YES CRYPTOGRAPHIC PROOF AND NO I WILL NOT TAKE YOUR WORD FOR IT!




PS: I was also thinking they would release everything right after the ICO. unfortunately I can not remember where I read this. If anybody knows the source of this, please tell me!


Where ever you saw it, it was stated tokens will be distributed from genesis before anyway (even if not right after ICO):  http://heatledger.com/ico/      ("...into which the HEAT tokens are distributed from genesis block in November 2016.")
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December 27, 2016, 05:13:27 PM
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@coinzy Thanks, this is a start, but this is not what I meant, I am pretty sure I read somewhere that also the code is already kind of finished and everything is ready to launch right after the ICO. Any lawyer here? They say the tokens are getting distributed by November, but what they distributed are not the actual tokens, but the testnet tokens, which are basically a promise that you will receive the real tokens in some point in time. And that point in time was not November, hell it is not even December and maybe it will not even be in 2017.
Hmmm maybe I also just implied that they would have a finished product when the coins get distributed. Maybe I had too much trust in the cryptoworld that there were honest people around here and not scumbags that just want to make a quick buck by doing marketing that makes you think they have something good when in reality they have nothing and they never will have,



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December 27, 2016, 05:14:05 PM
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PS: I was also thinking they would release everything right after the ICO. unfortunately I can not remember where I read this. If anybody knows the source of this, please tell me!
It was in the OP itself, saying the release will be on 5th of September  Undecided

why not fork some coin and release a temporary chain/wallet so that people can trade until the HEAT core is developed ? If people want to sell/buy then they should be able to. Waves did a similar thing but i wouldn't advice a centralized chain anyway.

IOU seems like a feasible idea except the prices would be non-realistic for several reasons one of them being that surrogate shittoken is not reflective of the real value carried by the native currency of the platform. IOU is a surrogate whose purpose is to be tradable several weeks away from the official release of a HEAT token. That being said, if u surf through whitepaper and take a decision to buy in on IOU, and then something goes wrong with the fundamentals, or even worse, the release date is delayed, IOU prices might tumble thereby u might exchange IOU for HEAT coins at lesser ratio than what u bought them at.
Not exactly IOU. They could just fork any clone coin and replace it when ever they r ready. Because of many reasons and BTC rally if people want to sell/buy then they should be able to. This assuming the DEVs are really coding Roll Eyes

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December 27, 2016, 05:34:48 PM
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PS: I was also thinking they would release everything right after the ICO. unfortunately I can not remember where I read this. If anybody knows the source of this, please tell me!
It was in the OP itself, saying the release will be on 5th of September  Undecided

why not fork some coin and release a temporary chain/wallet so that people can trade until the HEAT core is developed ? If people want to sell/buy then they should be able to. Waves did a similar thing but i wouldn't advice a centralized chain anyway.

IOU seems like a feasible idea except the prices would be non-realistic for several reasons one of them being that surrogate shittoken is not reflective of the real value carried by the native currency of the platform. IOU is a surrogate whose purpose is to be tradable several weeks away from the official release of a HEAT token. That being said, if u surf through whitepaper and take a decision to buy in on IOU, and then something goes wrong with the fundamentals, or even worse, the release date is delayed, IOU prices might tumble thereby u might exchange IOU for HEAT coins at lesser ratio than what u bought them at.
Not exactly IOU. They could just fork any clone coin and replace it when ever they r ready. Because of many reasons and BTC rally if people want to sell/buy then they should be able to. This assuming the DEVs are really coding Roll Eyes
Thanks! And Yes I agree with your second remark, it is a shame what they are doing. Everybody thought they could trade their coins at least in november, but these morons lied to us! One could also call it scamed us!
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December 27, 2016, 06:43:44 PM
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http://heatledger.ghost.io/

I quote:"HEAT Weekly crypto roundup"

Last Entry: Crypto Roundup 15 - 11 December 2016

Entry before that: Crypto Roundup 14 - 27 November 2016

It is so ridiculous, you just can't make this shit up!

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December 27, 2016, 07:28:02 PM
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http://heatledger.ghost.io/

I quote:"HEAT Weekly crypto roundup"

Last Entry: Crypto Roundup 15 - 11 December 2016

Entry before that: Crypto Roundup 14 - 27 November 2016

It is so ridiculous, you just can't make this shit up!

You are a sad person.
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December 27, 2016, 07:33:05 PM
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http://heatledger.ghost.io/

I quote:"HEAT Weekly crypto roundup"

Last Entry: Crypto Roundup 15 - 11 December 2016

Entry before that: Crypto Roundup 14 - 27 November 2016

It is so ridiculous, you just can't make this shit up!

You are a sad person.
Yeah this HEAT crap makes me very sad, I invested quiete a lot of money in this bs and now it feels I have been scammed and the devs are pretty much laughing at their investors. How much did you invest? You got a good laugh too for your 20bucks? Or did you invest with your worthless FIMK coins and are happy that you will finally make a buck or two? I am waiting dickhead!

Oh I almost forgot...
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December 27, 2016, 08:06:05 PM
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I hope heat can look over all the positive suggestions in this thread.

Make a clear plan to place the better suggestions into a plan of action.

Make a business plan of action recruit some help.

Use the membership in a positive way and offer regular clear information updates.

This thread is a disaster for future Heat Ledger investors.

This thread will probably be the highest in ranking in any google search.

As positive progress happens and we the customers of heat become part of the team, lets go back and delete negative comments.

So lets do a deal clean up the thread as we clean up the communication and progress.

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This is getting rediculous!
We want to know how LONG until mainnet is released..
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December 27, 2016, 08:17:46 PM
Last edit: December 27, 2016, 08:30:11 PM by StewieG
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As positive progress happens and we the customers of heat become part of the team, lets go back and delete negative comments.

So lets do a deal clean up the thread as we clean up the communication and progress.


I absolutely  will not participate in luring more investors into this scam!

In my opinion they add an option for all the BTC and ETH investors to get their money back, sorry FIMK users but we got lured into this and scammed while FIMK had no other option than turn FIMK into HEAT.

Releasing a second coin until HEAT is out is an option, but I obviously favor my first suggestion.


Oops I almost forgot again...
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December 27, 2016, 08:34:52 PM
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nom nom nom

Eager to eat up all this cheap HEAT
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December 27, 2016, 10:22:41 PM
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BTC: 608.45 (stage 2)
ETH: 16,124.99 (stage 2)
FIMK: 255,621,021 (stage 4)
NXT: 6,220,425 (stage 2)
ETC 16,124
ARDR 6,220,425

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BTC 608 x 935 = $568,480

ETH 16,124 x $7 = $112,868

NXT 6,220,425 x .006c = $37,322

ETC 16,124 x $1 = $16,124
 
ARDR 6,220,425 x .012c = $74,645

total $809,439 USD received in the ICO

Now you know you have twice the money you thought you had can you hire some developers and marketing communications people?
PS IT WAS VERY CLOSE TO 1 MILLION DOLLARS.


"The amount definitely was nowhere near $1 million dollars worth of crypto. The amount is difficult to calculate because of high volatility and oftentimes lacking liquidity as in the case of FIMK. Using current, realized rates the amount raised in the first funding round of Heat Ledger Ltd lands somewhere between $300k and $400k"

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December 27, 2016, 11:03:53 PM
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I think they had to pay a lot of taxes. Since they are a real company, they have to abide by the tax law. Dunno how much you pay in Finland, though.
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December 27, 2016, 11:10:53 PM
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I think they had to pay a lot of taxes. Since they are a real company, they have to abide by the tax law. Dunno how much you pay in Finland, though.

Taxes on seed capital? Are you joking?
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lol, you misspelled scumbagging

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December 27, 2016, 11:32:52 PM
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lol, you misspelled scumbagging

Haha, fail.
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December 28, 2016, 12:05:52 AM
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BTC: 608.45 (stage 2)
ETH: 16,124.99 (stage 2)
FIMK: 255,621,021 (stage 4)
NXT: 6,220,425 (stage 2)
ETC 16,124
ARDR 6,220,425

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BTC 608 x 935 = $568,480

ETH 16,124 x $7 = $112,868

NXT 6,220,425 x .006c = $37,322

ETC 16,124 x $1 = $16,124
 
ARDR 6,220,425 x .012c = $74,645

total $809,439 USD received in the ICO

Now you know you have twice the money you thought you had can you hire some developers and marketing communications people?
PS IT WAS VERY CLOSE TO 1 MILLION DOLLARS.


"The amount definitely was nowhere near $1 million dollars worth of crypto. The amount is difficult to calculate because of high volatility and oftentimes lacking liquidity as in the case of FIMK. Using current, realized rates the amount raised in the first funding round of Heat Ledger Ltd lands somewhere between $300k and $400k"

This is so genius, they don't even know how much money they have! xD
Guys consider your money gone!!

And here is the fix for all the guys that had nothing to say but "Hey look he mispelled something" instead of giving a little bit more significant input to the whole situation(yeah consider your money gone too), here you go...
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December 28, 2016, 09:29:55 AM
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IT WAS VERY CLOSE TO 1 MILLION DOLLARS.
"It" was? Which was, theoretical value at the time of ICO closing?

Very close to 1 million. Do you mean the $600k - $700 theoretical value excluding illiquid FIMK at ICO close, or the then future $800k theoretical rate of your calculation from yesterday, or something else? Very close is vague indeed, but never <80%

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Thanks for the updated calculation, however did you consider the following -

How come do you calculate "Received in the ICO" in August at today's rate?

Did you account for the funds we've had to burn before the ICO, during the ICO and after ICO to run the business?

Did you consider Bitcoin's value during August - October when we liquidated a large part for EUR on our bank account?

Did you notice the ~140 BTC locked in Alcurex and C-CEX until genesis?

Did you account for the fact we have to spread our liquidation of the full amounts to a minimum of 6-12 months rather than any single point in time?

Did you take note of the taxes we have to pay for every $ increase in Bitcoin's value as compared to the time we received the BTC?

I guess not. If you had, you'd see there is no constant valuation that could be calculated at any particular point in time until retrospectively. You'd also know that for every cent of crypto we take out to the realm of fiat - at value that's fuzzy until that point - there's a combined bureaucracy cost of +50% to +100% on top of the amount usable at hand.

Taxes on seed capital? Are you joking?
Crowdfunding is taxed in Finland. Seed investment isn't directly until you use it - then it is through the capital gains from crypto and realization of EUR value when you use the money. We've put high effort in optimizing the seed funding accounting tax consequences, however the results can't be certain until taxes for 2016 are concluded in approx. 1 year from now.

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can you hire some developers and marketing communications people?

In progress since November. Hiring qualified staff doesn't happen like a snap in this country and for this tech!

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Those guys are done in crypto
Your warnings to future investors in bold red are no doubt with good intentions, but you'll be in for a surprise. It's astounding how little attention infantile trolling on past pages of a crypto geek playground receives from the fintech business circles, which is Heat Ledger's main audience. Which is indeed the vehicle to the long term appreciation of the HEAT token's value instead of the standard ~300-500 speculators pump and dump games on Poloniex.

         
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December 28, 2016, 10:25:06 AM
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No of course i did not factor any of the things you mentioned.

Becasue i have no information about that.

I made the calculations made from todays date becasue again, that is the only information i have to work with.

But that is all the community is asking for... Information to work with.

You seem defensive but at the same time wondering why you have to be?

It is becasue past promises were not met.

But crypto is an understanding crowd.. I think you find some people loosing it on this end becasue it is a combination of things.

Late release and no soothing information as to why and what we can expect.

Your answers are harsh and challenging and while perhaps full of your considered facts.

The question is still out there.

Where are we now in terms of a decent release?

Is it real that Jan is a possibility?

What has to be done to get there?

Is it more likely Feb or March?

It is just broad goals and timelines we need to know.

 


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