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March 18, 2013, 04:41:27 PM
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MTGOX is Bitcoin's central bank.  when someone dumps of coins through MTGOX.  MTGOX sells them at an inflated price because they know they have a monopoly on the entire exchange system. They are making money both on exchange fees and by controlling what the masses think Bitcoin is actually worth. Mark my words.


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March 18, 2013, 04:55:14 PM
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They do have a large influence in the bitcoin economy because of their huge size. But it is not an enforceable monopoly. It is what the market has decided via the choices of users.
Any day a competitor could arrive and change everything.

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but why would the competitor sell Bitcoins for less than they can get for them?


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March 18, 2013, 05:10:35 PM
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but why would the competitor sell Bitcoins for less than they can get for them?

Theres ways to profit when selling at a loss

btc-e probably have a ton a coins in circulation (much more then mtgox) which gives them better leverage on the price. Its like I have 4000 BTC here selling at $46.7 but then 13000 btc on another exchange selling them at $44.2. The later would profit a considerable amount more because of the volume...

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March 18, 2013, 05:18:02 PM
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MTGOX is Bitcoin's central bank.  when someone dumps of coins through MTGOX.  MTGOX sells them at an inflated price because they know they have a monopoly on the entire exchange system. They are making money both on exchange fees and by controlling what the masses think Bitcoin is actually worth. Mark my words.

The problem with your paranoid supposition is the fact that MtGox is not actually buying or selling anything. They just act as a platform for other people to trade bitcoins, and take a slice of each trade as a fee.

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March 18, 2013, 05:26:36 PM
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MTGOX is Bitcoin's central bank.  when someone dumps of coins through MTGOX.  MTGOX sells them at an inflated price because they know they have a monopoly on the entire exchange system. They are making money both on exchange fees and by controlling what the masses think Bitcoin is actually worth. Mark my words.

The problem with your paranoid supposition is the fact that MtGox is not actually buying or selling anything. They just act as a platform for other people to trade bitcoins, and take a slice of each trade as a fee.

Eeh, don't they put those 'filler' trades in there to mask the spread?
And how is that not a form of participating?
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March 18, 2013, 06:12:20 PM
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Mark my words.

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March 18, 2013, 06:19:05 PM
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MTGOX is Bitcoin's central bank.  when someone dumps of coins through MTGOX.  MTGOX sells them at an inflated price because they know they have a monopoly on the entire exchange system. They are making money both on exchange fees and by controlling what the masses think Bitcoin is actually worth. Mark my words.

The problem with your paranoid supposition is the fact that MtGox is not actually buying or selling anything. They just act as a platform for other people to trade bitcoins, and take a slice of each trade as a fee.

This...

In addition to what Peter said:

The Gox traders on the other hand might inflate prices a bit, me thinks.   Smiley

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March 18, 2013, 06:25:03 PM
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i'm going to open my own exchange and coins will be going for $60 each.


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March 18, 2013, 06:32:05 PM
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I think BTC prices are usually higher on GOX because the site is more popular and more trusted. It's not a central bank conspiracy. Newbie buyers flock there and drive prices higher.

There's no centralization with bitcoin, but there can be the illusion of some centralization which can affect the price positively or negatively. If bitcoin is to succeed long term, the price will have to go much higher. When it does go much higher, the community will be much more flush with capital and therefore more apt to develop more and more better services.

IOW, having a trusted/successful site like GOX is good because it drives sales and helps raise the price of btc. The presence of better less centralized entities in the cryptocurrency eco-system is dependent upon the continued success of those entities currently operating in good standing, like GOX. So smearing fud on GOX is in way like smearing fud on bitcoin.
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March 18, 2013, 06:32:58 PM
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Gox becomes less and less transparent as time goes on regardless they are considered the central authority of Bitcoin and probably always will be.  But this is likely by design.  After all, there is money to be made.  If they are indeed manipulating the market then I would hope that they do not destroy it.

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March 18, 2013, 06:47:01 PM
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MTGOX is Bitcoin's central bank.  when someone dumps of coins through MTGOX.  MTGOX sells them at an inflated price because they know they have a monopoly on the entire exchange system. They are making money both on exchange fees and by controlling what the masses think Bitcoin is actually worth. Mark my words.

I think you may need to research how a Bid/Ask exchange works.   Yes, they may be the market maker but as in the past, if someone sold a bunch of coins, you would see the price drop unless there was more demand on the buy side compared to the sell side.   The reason we have seen prices elevate is because of more demand that supply.

It is really dangerous to make claims like this, you really do yourself and us all a dis-service.


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MTGOX is Bitcoin's central bank.  when someone dumps of coins through MTGOX.  MTGOX sells them at an inflated price because they know they have a monopoly on the entire exchange system. They are making money both on exchange fees and by controlling what the masses think Bitcoin is actually worth. Mark my words.

The problem with your paranoid supposition is the fact that MtGox is not actually buying or selling anything. They just act as a platform for other people to trade bitcoins, and take a slice of each trade as a fee.

Eeh, don't they put those 'filler' trades in there to mask the spread?
And how is that not a form of participating?


Mt Gox may perform "market making" function as well, that is a question you should ask them and let us know.   Good question.

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March 18, 2013, 06:52:31 PM
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Dalkore,

First post you suggest it's "dangerous" to question the inner workings of the great MTGOX.

Post below that you suggest we question the inner workings and "let you know".

Ehhhhh...  what???
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Dalkore,

First post you suggest it's "dangerous" to question the inner workings of the great MTGOX.

Post below that you suggest we question the inner workings and "let you know".

Ehhhhh...  what???

I did not say "it's dangerous to question Mt. Gox's the inner workings",  I can read what I wrote.  I said it is dangerous to speculate about market manipulation when a) you demonstrate a lack of  understanding how an exchange works b) not providing evidence of these manipulation, only a "feeling".

Try quoting me next time.  Thanks

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March 18, 2013, 07:13:32 PM
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There is one truth with all ideological ideas - while they work in theory, they can never work in practice.

Socialists might like a totally centralised system, top down control and wonder why its too inefficient and never works as planned.
Libertarians might want totally decentralised systems with control being bottom up, and wonder why monopolies and cartels are created despite their best efforts

MTGox is the main player in bitcoin because it is.  You could change that, but its going to take a lot of effort and possibly money.  They might well effect the price of bitcoin, but I wouldn't be surprised if bitcointalk has more of an effect!

Rather than argue about the downside of the situation as you see it, it would be far more efficient to build your own alternative.  However, you will probably find that what your customers want is a one stop shop - and that is MTGox for now!

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March 18, 2013, 07:16:27 PM
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MTGOX is Bitcoin's central bank.  when someone dumps of coins through MTGOX.  MTGOX sells them at an inflated price because they know they have a monopoly on the entire exchange system. They are making money both on exchange fees and by controlling what the masses think Bitcoin is actually worth. Mark my words.

MTGOX is not a bank. It is a market place where buyers meet with sellers. Of course they can trade on their own market as everybody else.

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March 18, 2013, 07:20:48 PM
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No one is forcing you to use MtGox to trade or their prices as a standard.
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I think it's even MORE dangerous to NOT speculate about manipulation and ALL market factors.

It's silly you suggest our lack of understanding about how exchanges work when clearly you have no idea about our level of knowledge.

I've been around here a while.  MTGOX has had their share of issues.  There seems to be a lot of MTGOX yes men.

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MTGOX is Bitcoin's central bank.  when someone dumps of coins through MTGOX.  MTGOX sells them at an inflated price because they know they have a monopoly on the entire exchange system.

URSAY - I quoted this for you so you can see why I may question the OP's technical knowledge of how exchanges work.   

With statements like "MTGOX sells them at an inflated price because they know they have a monopoly on the entire exchange system.", it makes someone wonder.  See I would assume with this statement, that they are trying to say that their is not a genuine seller behind this theoretical seller. 

I would think that before this sale happens, the price had been pushed up through consistent buying to bring the price to the level where this transaction would take place.   


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