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I would really what to hear theymoses opinion on this mater.
He would probably try splitting the sea. I'd be interested on theymos' take on the matter aswell, but generally, he doesn't comment on concepts like this. There was some suggestion by OgNasty some time back about how to proceed with signatures, which got a rather long discussion afterwards. At no point, theymos commented on the topic (IIRC, sorry should that be wrong). Thanks mr Lutpin for this detailed answer. Rare this days to have a good conversation, people almost never read mid-thread posts. To bad that main admin is keeping himself in the shadow. You're right, this is the beer hall putsch all over again. -snip- I guess I'm to fresh of a member to know about that putsch. Will investigate ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Trust me when I tell you, I want the best for this forum. I have no doubts about all other supporters of SMAS wanting the same. I do believe in your good intentions, strongly but as someone smart once said "The road to hell is paved with good intentions" you guys just have to be careful, very careful not to turn this thing in to a common witch hunt. ...casting absolute votes...would either slow us down...require 24/7 efforts
Yes, you might be right. There is no perfect solution.
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July 16, 2016, 01:48:23 AM |
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I've read through the first page or so and I have a suggestion, you guys need another member on your team, a neutral member so to speak, The spam here affects regular members, it would be mindless to not have at least one normal member in your team. Also, the campaign managers here have different standards for what is considered as spam, I believe noatek(sorry if wrong spelling) is the most critical, this is another reason to have a neutral mind on board, also, where is this list? Based on what lutpin said a few days ago, it should be just about ready
Edit: also, i dont think you guys will be successful, cutting down of the spam would require some sort of administrative action.
also, as someone said earlier in the thread, you guys are acting as judge, jury and executioner
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July 16, 2016, 02:04:59 AM |
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also, as someone said earlier in the thread, you guys are acting as judge, jury and executioner
We're acting in the way we currently act each of us in their regarding campaign, just collective for all campaigns now. This gives neither of us more, nor less power, it only distributes the power we have between all, or rather shifts some to the collective. Why are we abled to act this way? Because the runners of the signature campaigns chose us to be in this spot. Edit: also, i dont think you guys will be successful, cutting down of the spam would require some sort of administrative action.
If by administrative action, you mean theymos, good luck. Communication with theymos has been hard for me this past year I've frequented the forum. He's answered me on some requests and ignored others. My impression is that, if theymos doesn't want to comment on a topic, literally nothing can make him do so. I'd rather act in the way we are abled to, than hope for getting administrative support I can't currently expect. Also, where is this list? Based on what lutpin said a few days ago, it should be just about ready
Things are moving slower than expected. We were planning to have a meeting this weekend to get everyone together on the same page and discuss things in realtime rather than a thread, however, we've yet to agree on our primar means of communication and also I'm not sure how many guys will be around for it (I've only heard from yahoo). I might have initially underestimated the amount of work that has to go into getting everything discussed/agreed on and started. I've read through the first page or so and I have a suggestion, you guys need another member on your team, a neutral member so to speak, The spam here affects regular members, it would be mindless to not have at least one normal member in your team. Also, the campaign managers here have different standards for what is considered as spam, I believe notaek (spelling fixed by lutpin) is the most critical, this is another reason to have a neutral mind on board
Well, I'm open to getting a non-manager on board, however, this has to be discussed with everyone in the team. We have to agree on a) whether or not adding someone and b) who to add. Any addition to the active team gives power (even though little) over all our campaigns, which we can't transfer lightly (at least not to a 3rd party, so to speak).
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July 16, 2016, 02:27:25 AM |
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You can't really "fight" spam. You can monitor it or reduce it but you can't exactly eliminate it completely.
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July 16, 2016, 02:34:27 AM |
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also, as someone said earlier in the thread, you guys are acting as judge, jury and executioner
We're acting in the way we currently act each of us in their regarding campaign, just collective for all campaigns now. This gives neither of us more, nor less power, it only distributes the power we have between all, or rather shifts some to the collective. Why are we abled to act this way? Because the runners of the signature campaigns chose us to be in this spot. It gives you guys more power, as we know, there is power in numbers.Wrong, the owners of the signature campaigns chose you guys to run your individual campaigns, no-one selected you guys to form a gang
Edit: also, i dont think you guys will be successful, cutting down of the spam would require some sort of administrative action.
If by administrative action, you mean theymos, good luck. Communication with theymos has been hard for me this past year I've frequented the forum. He's answered me on some requests and ignored others. My impression is that, if theymos doesn't want to comment on a topic, literally nothing can make him do so. I'd rather act in the way we are abled to, than hope for getting administrative support I can't currently expect. there is always badbear and the other 20-30 moderators on the forum
Also, where is this list? Based on what lutpin said a few days ago, it should be just about ready
Things are moving slower than expected. We were planning to have a meeting this weekend to get everyone together on the same page and discuss things in realtime rather than a thread, however, we've yet to agree on our primar means of communication and also I'm not sure how many guys will be around for it (I've only heard from yahoo). I might have initially underestimated the amount of work that has to go into getting everything discussed/agreed on and started. If you guys want to take the little project serious, the only viable means of communication would be skype, i've never seen anyone do anything worth doing on snapchat. How hard could it be to make a list, you guys collectively run most of the campaigns on the forum, you guys should be able to use information gathered from your campaigns to make the bulk of the list
I've read through the first page or so and I have a suggestion, you guys need another member on your team, a neutral member so to speak, The spam here affects regular members, it would be mindless to not have at least one normal member in your team. Also, the campaign managers here have different standards for what is considered as spam, I believe notaek (spelling fixed by lutpin) is the most critical, this is another reason to have a neutral mind on board
Well, I'm open to getting a non-manager on board, however, this has to be discussed with everyone in the team. We have to agree on a) whether or not adding someone and b) who to add. Any addition to the active team gives power (even though little) over all our campaigns, which we can't transfer lightly (at least not to a 3rd party, so to speak). If you guys are going to decide on the additional member then just dont do it, you guys will simply chose someone with the same state of mind as you guys, which is the problem I was trying to show you. Also, if you guys should add someone shouldnt be a question, obviously someone should be
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October 25, 2016, 08:57:35 PM |
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SMAS is back!
By initiative of Lauda, we've decided to revive the SMAS effort, however, we will be taking a different approach this time. The initial concept of SMAS has been taken as a starting point and we worked to the current form from there. There will be no two teams and there won't be two lists. The new SMAS will work with a core team of 3 members (SMAS light), and we will work with a single blacklist. OP and the first response have been updated to reflect these changes.
More to come!
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October 25, 2016, 09:06:06 PM |
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SMAS is back!
By initiative of Lauda, we've decided to revive the SMAS effort, however, we will be taking a different approach this time. The initial concept of SMAS has been taken as a starting point and we worked to the current form from there. There will be no two teams and there won't be two lists. The new SMAS will work with a core team of 3 members (SMAS light), and we will work with a single blacklist. OP and the first response have been updated to reflect these changes.
More to come!
Last chance.
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October 26, 2016, 01:33:07 PM |
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The idea is really good. I do also like to forced my self to improve more of my posting quality as i am not sure thati am doing this all the time yet i am giving my full support to this campaign and as a member all i can do for now is to improve my quality post. I will also create and to constantly update a thread on a local board to help my fella's understand what is currently happening.
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October 26, 2016, 03:24:42 PM |
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1661654.0Current blacklist can be found here. This is a portion of my list and Laudas list from bitmixer thread. More users will be added as i weed through campaigns under my control. Also awaiting Lutpins list so that those users may be added to the combined blacklist. If you are on this list, does this mean your account is fucked? I have stated in the reputation thread that users who make the blacklist will have the option to ask that i review their account after 30 days. This means if youre on the list you have 30 days to improve your post quality. After that you may request a review. If you have improved significantly i will temporarily remove you temporarily from the list and place you on probation
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October 27, 2016, 04:52:18 PM |
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The idea is good, and moreover is your list that is sorted alphabetically. If I have time I'll do the same to Lauda's list, because it's not very informative for anyone seeking an username in it.
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October 27, 2016, 04:53:49 PM |
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because it's not very informative for anyone seeking an username in it.
ctrl->f usually does the job.
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October 27, 2016, 04:56:13 PM |
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because it's not very informative for anyone seeking an username in it.
ctrl->f usually does the job. Well, you're right, that works. However, for someone that likes to review who's in, a sorted list would be more effective.
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Well, you're right, that works. However, for someone that likes to review who's in, a sorted list would be more effective.
That is of lesser importance right now. I may or may not write a small sorting program for my personal needs, so these would end up being automatically sorted and checked (to help automate the combined list). Generally, the list will serve as a decent starting point (for campaigns run by one of the participating managers or someone wanting to run their own campaign), but as a general measure of combating spam it is inadequate because of other campaigns (e.g. SecondsTrade, Komodo) at this time. No need to write a program to do that for you. If you drop the data into Excel you can quickly sort it alphabetically.
That takes away the 'experimenting' part away, but thanks!
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October 27, 2016, 10:25:33 PM |
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That is of lesser importance right now. I may or may not write a small sorting program for my personal needs, so these would end up being automatically sorted and checked (to help automate the combined list). Generally, the list will serve as a decent starting point (for campaigns run by one of the participating managers or someone wanting to run their own campaign), but as a general measure of combating spam it is inadequate because of other campaigns (e.g. SecondsTrade, Komodo) at this time.
No need to write a program to do that for you. If you drop the data into Excel you can quickly sort it alphabetically. If anyone is interested in seeing Lauda's list sorted alphabetically as it stands now, here is it: a7mos agustina2 agustina2 ainv42 ajun96 ALToids Altynbekova AncilVTwo armadora artur11110000 atas ausbit azguard BAGOBO barbara44 BitAurum Bitcoinbro bitcoinst bitgolden bitlancr Bitsaurus blackmachinegun BlueStackz bokr57 bontyw1276 Buchi-88 bumbarash cabsav CasioK chaosknight chaser15 cluit co5hike Corenin countryfree Cripto DeD crossabdd daddybios DaddyMonsi daniahya deblue designerusa dezoel diazepam666 Digital_Lord dinda22 diodio5 DrBeer DrG dunfida eddyubachs EvilClown feterim fkvidar gentlemand gerXhonza goinmerry Googlulinks greBit Gromozeka hasiramasenju healtheworld hendra147 Hirose UK igorokkk InVarianT InvoKing jertsy JessicaSe JeWay joinal jostorres JumperX justspare KBH kenshi222 Keyboard PC klenin klepa kpitti krupenin kvazimodo leshutov lexuz lissandra lixer MaritiJames3 mark coins martinacar mentalpanda mhanbostanci mjpo mrhelpful MyBTT nasituygun needmoney neonshium newcoins1978 Newcoins2020 nor9845 oli123123 oyeTorry pashh Pattart Pelegrini peretss peta4e petahashminer philiveyjr phreaky pissedoff pocarime32 polovec polynesia poncho32 poncom praprata randy8777 RealMalatesta Revelation Machine reyhiesa richardsNY rikko72 rikudou ronaldo40 safari88 shane sHeRiLyN1618 Shibashi Dogemoto Shinpako09 ShrykeZ sirohige sishendaoye sishendaoye smigel sniveling spud21 SquallLeonhart stromma44 SvintuS tair85 tampazeus techgeek terman45x topman21 torrentheaven trinaldao tukinen TurboMen tvskit tygeade umaOuma unent Unread var53 vero web.master WhiteManWhite wiesen xht xRaVeNx zenitzz
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October 29, 2016, 09:02:09 AM |
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so this is a core team and don't have place to other managers. it means we are (new managers) free to take our own decision and ignore your blacklists? or we'll get negatives if we accept people ignored by you?
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Thanks guitarplinker, although I wanted to do it for the sake of experimenting. so this is a core team and don't have place to other managers. it means we are (new managers) free to take our own decision and ignore your blacklists? or we'll get negatives if we accept people ignored by you?
That would most likely be considered power abuse, so no. However, by accepting these members you are indirectly contributing to spam which I find shady as is.
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there is my name, what is the purpose of all this? ![Sad](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/sad.gif)
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there is my name, what is the purpose of all this? ![Sad](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/sad.gif) You're a spammer. The purpose of this is to fight against signature spam at least within the campaigns managed by the participants.
My weekly update is ready.
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November 02, 2016, 08:45:17 AM |
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Updated your list. The purpose of this is to fight against signature spam at least within the campaigns managed by the participants.
I've added a list of (bitcoin) campaigns that are currently covered under SMAS. Yahoo, if you could send me a full list of all your campaigns, I can add the altcoin paying ones aswell.
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Googlulinks
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November 04, 2016, 12:43:29 AM |
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Write in local forums is considered spammers ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif) I do not understand this type of classification. Just in the campaign not accept posts in local forums. I write 99% in the forum of my native language, so I am considered spammers and are placed on a blacklist ?? I did not understand.
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