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March 27, 2013, 05:53:19 PM
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i love all the beautiful pictures!  Wink

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March 27, 2013, 06:11:45 PM
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Cool thread!

But why M1? Why not M0, since in Bitcoin there's no fractional reserve banking (Bitcoin M0 == M1). I think it's more reasonable... The "market cap" is the Bitcoin's monetary base times its unit price.
EDIT: The point I'm trying to make is that, currently, for Bitcoin, M0==M1==M2==M3, i.e., Bitcoin has no monetary aggregates since it has no fiduciary money. But if one day Bitcoin start having some fiduciary money, the so called "market cap" (number of issued coins X price) would represent Bitcoin's M0, not its M1. So I'd say it's more reasonable to compare it with countries' M0 (also called monetary base).

Bitcoin's M0 is already larger than that of Iceland and certainly many others.

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March 27, 2013, 07:37:32 PM
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So I'd say it's more reasonable to compare it with countries' M0 (also called monetary base).

From another thread:

Monetary base for Bitcoins is 10.9 million BTC. The monetary base for Bitcoins has to be denominated in BTC, not dollars.

Bitcoin has no "market cap" since it is an asset, not a security that has been capitalized.

The Total Dollar Valuation (TDV) is the purchasing power equivalent of those 10.9 million BTC.

It is the TDV that is approaching (and then exceeding) the TDV of these foreign currencies named in this thread.

TDV isn't a commonly used phrase, but market cap and M0 are.  Doesn't make it the correct term to use though.

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March 27, 2013, 08:43:03 PM
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It is the TDV that is approaching (and then exceeding) the TDV of these foreign currencies named in this thread.

My point is that this thread is comparing Bitcoin's M0 TDV with these countries M1 TDV. Comparing against countries M0 would be more coherent (and would make the list much larger Wink). But I did not find a ranking of countries per M0....

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March 28, 2013, 06:25:29 AM
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Congo parity achieved!

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March 28, 2013, 08:37:57 AM
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ceveden, Bitcoin's M0 is also its M1, M2 and M3.
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March 28, 2013, 08:46:24 AM
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Just a quick note: We're on parity with the Democratic Republic of Congo, which is somehow not what the word "Congo" is traditionally used to refer to in the international politics(that would be the Republic of Congo), in fact it was known as Zaire about a decade ago, maybe we should somehow distinguish between the two.

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March 28, 2013, 09:11:10 AM
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from Democratic Republic of Congo we are traveling to Niger...




Let's move on to Cambodia, shall we?

That water doesn't look inviting.

Dankedan: price seems low, time to sell I think...
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March 28, 2013, 09:16:28 AM
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I want parity watch -> the world

It seemed like a good idea at the time.
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March 28, 2013, 09:22:43 AM
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we could write a few nigerian letters meanwhile

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March 28, 2013, 09:27:43 AM
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ceveden, Bitcoin's M0 is also its M1, M2 and M3.

I know, read my first post in this thread.

But countries M0s are not the same as their M1. It would be more reasonable to compare with their M0, since the day Bitcoin start to have fiduciary money, it will have aggregates that are larger than this so-called "market cap". And btw, if you compare with M0, we've already passed much more countries, since M0 <= M1. Wink

I did not find a ranking of countries per M0 TDV though....

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March 28, 2013, 11:11:21 AM
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I think a list of parity prices with payment processors would be useful (Square, Paypal, Visa, etc.).

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March 28, 2013, 11:32:31 AM
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Anyone else feel that tingly feeling?

It's probably just the pizza.
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March 28, 2013, 11:36:53 AM
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But why M1? Why not M0, since in Bitcoin there's no fractional reserve banking (Bitcoin M0 == M1). I think it's more reasonable... The "market cap" is the Bitcoin's monetary base times its unit price.
EDIT: The point I'm trying to make is that, currently, for Bitcoin, M0==M1==M2==M3, i.e., Bitcoin has no monetary aggregates since it has no fiduciary money. But if one day Bitcoin start having some fiduciary money, the so called "market cap" (number of issued coins X price) would represent Bitcoin's M0, not its M1. So I'd say it's more reasonable to compare it with countries' M0 (also called monetary base).

Bitcoin's M0 is already larger than that of Iceland and certainly many others.

The Bitcoin "market cap" is indeed the same thing as M0. But, because of its convenient nature, Bitcoin may never get much bank money. Fiat currencies on the other hand have most of their transactions made with bank balances. It may be fair to compare the money that is actually used in transactions, M0 for Bitcoin and M1 for fiat.
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March 28, 2013, 12:09:17 PM
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we could write a few nigerian letters meanwhile

Just pointing out that Niger and Nigeria are not the same thing. One from Niger is called Nigerien.
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March 28, 2013, 12:29:20 PM
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I am waiting for the day when two pizzas will be worth a whole nation.

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March 28, 2013, 04:07:06 PM
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I am waiting for the day when two pizzas will be worth a whole nation.

Well, according to ounce.me, the Pizza Index is currently $940,207.94.  Taking that as a sort of 'Pizza Market Cap' seems reasonable.  Perhaps Vladimir will add the PMC to his Parity Index.  At roughly 0.1% of the Parity Index, it's sort of a 'milliCap'.

Dankedan: price seems low, time to sell I think...
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March 28, 2013, 04:09:58 PM
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Niger, not to be confused with Nigeria to the south:

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March 29, 2013, 06:09:55 PM
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Lulz, I think someone at Fox saw this thread: http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2013/03/29/digital-currency-bitcoin-surpasses-20-national-currencies-in-value

The whole article is pretty much one huge dump about everything bitcoin and only the first paragraph being relevant to the national currency thing, but funny none the less.

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March 29, 2013, 08:32:58 PM
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