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March 20, 2013, 06:39:36 PM
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Hello,

I just wanted to say that I think that the bitcoin.it wiki is far from being a wiki, as in wikipedia.

You need to pay a fee to be able to edit (0.01BTC/0.5€/0.6$) for EACH language you would like to contribute to :

https://it.bitcoin.it/wiki/Speciale:BitcoinPayment
https://fr.bitcoin.it/wiki/Sp%C3%A9cial:BitcoinPayment
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Special:BitcoinPayment
https://es.bitcoin.it/wiki/Especial:BitcoinPayment

And when you try to contact admin/mods through contact@bitcoin.it, you get no response (I was asking to allow me edit french pages as I made a donation to the "english" donation page.)

So my questions are : How could be a wiki that much broken become the "official" Bitcoin wiki ? How can this wiki be an incentive to get started with Bitcoins when there is only 2 pages in your language and you can't add content ?
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March 20, 2013, 06:42:15 PM
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Whats wrong with paying a small donation if you wish to edit it?

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March 20, 2013, 06:49:14 PM
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Guess what you don't like it, create your own wiki and prove that wiki is bad, instead of complaining.

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March 20, 2013, 06:50:32 PM
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As far as I know, "wiki" is not a synonym of a website with contents that everyone can edit. There are lots of wikis with locked-down pages that only the admin can edit, wikis that can only be edited by certain people (e.g. people who register and send an email somewhere asking for write permission), and even wikis (like the Bitcoin.it one) where one must pay to edit.

Personally I think that requiring a Bitcoin payment to enable editing is a smart feature to prevent bots from posting spam, and it ensures that the editor knows enough about the subject of the wiki (Bitcoin) to create bitcoin transations. About the fee being too high... well, some months ago 0.01 was "nothing". Now the standard for "nothing" is more like 0.0005, or even lower. That the fees are high is a more adequate subject for discussion, in my opinion.

EDIT: seeing that, as described on https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/BitcoinPayment , the proceedings from the payments are used to keep with wiki online, and since probably not that many people are signing up, maybe the fee is not that high.

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March 20, 2013, 07:20:27 PM
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Whats wrong with paying a small donation if you wish to edit it?
What is wrong is that I want to create value in the bitcoin wiki and community by translating and creating pages. If I wanted to make a donation it wouldn't be a problem.


Guess what you don't like it, create your own wiki and prove that wiki is bad, instead of complaining.
Thank you for your constructive remark. Bashing users who wants to contribute to the documentation around Bitcoin is really helping the developpement of this currency.


As far as I know, "wiki" is not a synonym of a website with contents that everyone can edit. There are lots of wikis with locked-down pages that only the admin can edit, wikis that can only be edited by certain people (e.g. people who register and send an email somewhere asking for write permission), and even wikis (like the Bitcoin.it one) where one must pay to edit.

Personally I think that requiring a Bitcoin payment to enable editing is a smart feature to prevent bots from posting spam, and it ensures that the editor knows enough about the subject of the wiki (Bitcoin) to create bitcoin transations. About the fee being too high... well, some months ago 0.01 was "nothing". Now the standard for "nothing" is more like 0.0005, or even lower. That the fees are high is a more adequate subject for discussion, in my opinion.

EDIT: seeing that, as described on https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/BitcoinPayment , the proceedings from the payments are used to keep with wiki online, and since probably not that many people are signing up, maybe the fee is not that high.
Maybe they could make the donation "reversable", so it could still prove that people know how to make a transaction, and it would still reduce spam if the donation is kept for like a month or with a certain number of edits.

Listen, i know that it is a measure against spam, I paid the fee for editing english pages, but I am reluctant of giving more money because I want to contribute to the wiki. I can prove that I am not a spammer, I made a nice email about it being an issue for me and got no response, so why make it so hard for people to add content ?

Hell, two years ago bitcoin were given to contributors !
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Bitcoin:Contributors_Award

I do not ask for donations, but I think it would be a more sane approach, as people with time could edit the wiki, and those without could make donation to help the wiki.
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March 20, 2013, 07:22:27 PM
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So start your own wiki. I'll give you hosting and a wiki setup for free to do it. You just buy your own domain.

http://domainpromocodes.com/coupons/godaddy/

http://domainpromocodes.com/coupons/hostgator/

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March 20, 2013, 07:26:07 PM
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Guess what you don't like it, create your own wiki and prove that wiki is bad, instead of complaining.
Thank you for your constructive remark. Bashing users who wants to contribute to the documentation around Bitcoin is really helping the developpement of this currency.

Wait you think I was bashing you LOL, I really wasn't, if you think the wiki is bad, start your own, it is that simple, instead of sitting here complaining your not whitelisted to edit. If you think that is a bad comment, or bashing, you sir are not going to be around these forums for long. Now stop whining and either pay up or built your own, that is showing how decentralized the currency really is, and making the community knowledge base stronger in many points instead of one. So maybe instead of thinking I was bashing, maybe I was showing you what the real way of handling this, instead of sounding like a 3 year old and complaining that you can't edit on a public wiki. People like you will not get far in this community with that way of thinking.

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March 20, 2013, 07:33:32 PM
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I went to the wiki to add an entry,

I had an account in there for 2+ years,

Now finding out I have to pay to edit... disappointed,,, onward.
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March 20, 2013, 07:34:31 PM
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Whats wrong with paying a small donation if you wish to edit it?
The fact that they should pay us to edit and improve it  Roll Eyes

Oh well, they can improve it themselves
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March 20, 2013, 07:36:49 PM
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You can't use this domain but I threw this up just to show you:

http://thingsgohere.com

I could set that up for you on your domain in less than a minute. Alternatively if you buy a domain and give me access to the nameserver management I will take it over from there and you can just be a contributor on the site and I'll handle general administration. I don't really care one way or another I just like doing web stuff and this seems like a chance to do some.

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March 20, 2013, 07:39:06 PM
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I undestand the fee is not for contributing to hosting, it act as a moderating mechanism like captcha,  But right now $0.65 is too much asked to work for free.

Anyway I just wanted to add :

BitCraig, an index of all Bitcoin listings on Craigslist. http://www.bitcraig.com/ to the https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Trade#Marketplaces section.
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March 20, 2013, 07:40:37 PM
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I'm glad there's a "fee" to pay before editing is enabled.  There's been enough trolling/scamming/etc on this forum to warrant the limiting of access to a wiki.

Once the bitcoin community is bigger, then maybe we can have free wiki editing rights.
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March 20, 2013, 07:43:10 PM
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The "fee" should be paid to who improve the wiki
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March 20, 2013, 08:37:12 PM
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Guess what you don't like it, create your own wiki and prove that wiki is bad, instead of complaining.
Thank you for your constructive remark. Bashing users who wants to contribute to the documentation around Bitcoin is really helping the developpement of this currency.

Wait you think I was bashing you LOL, I really wasn't, if you think the wiki is bad, start your own, it is that simple, instead of sitting here complaining your not whitelisted to edit. If you think that is a bad comment, or bashing, you sir are not going to be around these forums for long. Now stop whining and either pay up or built your own, that is showing how decentralized the currency really is, and making the community knowledge base stronger in many points instead of one. So maybe instead of thinking I was bashing, maybe I was showing you what the real way of handling this, instead of sounding like a 3 year old and complaining that you can't edit on a public wiki. People like you will not get far in this community with that way of thinking.
So start your own wiki. I'll give you hosting and a wiki setup for free to do it. You just buy your own domain.

http://domainpromocodes.com/coupons/godaddy/

http://domainpromocodes.com/coupons/hostgator/

Before making my own wiki I though it may be wise to contact the admin (still no response), then showing my opinion about the barriers to pass throught before contributing.

And according to the statistics in the non-english sub-wiki, I think that these barriers are very limiting for contributors. The first line in the following links indicates the number of pages :
https://it.bitcoin.it/wiki/Speciale:Statistiche
https://es.bitcoin.it/wiki/Especial:Estad%C3%ADsticas
https://fr.bitcoin.it/wiki/Sp%C3%A9cial:Statistiques
https://de.bitcoin.it/wiki/Spezial:Statistik
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March 20, 2013, 08:46:55 PM
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Twix: If you got permission to edit the Wiki in your native tongue, would you contribute to it significantly?

If the answer is yes, please post a Bitcoin address that you control.

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March 20, 2013, 09:03:41 PM
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Yes, I would like to contribute significantly in the french wiki. I am currently in engineering school & working, but I still have free time I would like to put in this.

Here is my bitcoin adress:

1twixx3GKBQETwGvqscirQdm9Vj2c5Xw7
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March 20, 2013, 09:04:41 PM
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As far as I know, "wiki" is not a synonym of a website with contents that everyone can edit. There are lots of wikis with locked-down pages that only the admin can edit, wikis that can only be edited by certain people (e.g. people who register and send an email somewhere asking for write permission), and even wikis (like the Bitcoin.it one) where one must pay to edit.

Fair enough - but there should be e-mail support from admin..
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Yes, I would like to contribute significantly in the french wiki. I am currently in engineering school & working, but I still have free time I would like to put in this.

Here is my bitcoin adress:

1twixx3GKBQETwGvqscirQdm9Vj2c5Xw7
This whole thread is a huge argument over an amount of money that could buy perhaps two apples. Perhaps I have gotten out of touch, but I feel like it's pocket-change, and silly that it's causing so much trouble.

Check your incoming transactions. Please put your editing privileges to good use.

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March 20, 2013, 09:46:23 PM
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0.01 is a limitation in place to stop spambots from registering. You have to pay it foreach language because every language is theated as a different website from wikimedia. It's a software problem, if you want.
I agree with you that the fee should be lowered to 0.001 since, but only due to the recent price spike. You wouldn't have bothered opening this thread 6 months ago.

My anger against what is wrong in the Bitcoin community is productive:
Bitcointa.lk - Replace "Bitcointalk.org" with "Bitcointa.lk" in this url to see how this page looks like on a proper forum (Announcement Thread)
Hashfast.org - Wiki for screwed customers
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March 20, 2013, 09:59:21 PM
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Yes, I would like to contribute significantly in the french wiki. I am currently in engineering school & working, but I still have free time I would like to put in this.

Here is my bitcoin adress:

1twixx3GKBQETwGvqscirQdm9Vj2c5Xw7
This whole thread is a huge argument over an amount of money that could buy perhaps two apples. Perhaps I have gotten out of touch, but I feel like it's pocket-change, and silly that it's causing so much trouble.

Check your incoming transactions. Please put your editing privileges to good use.

LMAO watch him not edit or change one thing for the better. Also it isn't pocket-change for someone that doesn't have that many coins or any at that point so I think, he was just complaining cause he can't get coins or doesn't have enough brains to buy / offer a service. One of these Whine whine whine, complain complain complain, look at me, kinda things.

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March 20, 2013, 10:03:28 PM
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Yes, I would like to contribute significantly in the french wiki. I am currently in engineering school & working, but I still have free time I would like to put in this.

Here is my bitcoin adress:

1twixx3GKBQETwGvqscirQdm9Vj2c5Xw7
This whole thread is a huge argument over an amount of money that could buy perhaps two apples. Perhaps I have gotten out of touch, but I feel like it's pocket-change, and silly that it's causing so much trouble.

Check your incoming transactions. Please put your editing privileges to good use.

Thank you for this donation  Smiley, I'll forward it to the bitcoin.it payment adress asap and start contributing.

gweedo : https://fr.bitcoin.it/wiki/Sp%C3%A9cial:Contributions/Twix

See you soon Smiley
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LMAO watch him not edit or change one thing for the better.
It's certainly possible. But I figure 10 minicoins is a small price to pay to find out.

We'll see!

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About the fee being too high... well, some months ago 0.01 was "nothing". Now the standard for "nothing" is more like 0.0005, or even lower. That the fees are high is a more adequate subject for discussion, in my opinion.

EDIT: seeing that, as described on https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/BitcoinPayment , the proceedings from the payments are used to keep with wiki online, and since probably not that many people are signing up, maybe the fee is not that high.

The fees really don't need to be sufficient to cover the admin costs of the wiki, and with the increase in the exchange rate they might already be more than covered.  Primarily the reason this existed was due to the spambots and other attempts to gain search engine / pagerank benefits.  A simple threshold of a few dimes worth of bitcoins would probably be more than sufficient to keep that activity away for the most part.

I'll take a look into seeing what is needed to get that price in BTCs lowered.  Nobody who wishes to contribute should be denied because of the cost of getting past the anti-spam protection.

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I wonder what happens next after I pay here
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Special:BitcoinPayment

...how do they connect my account to the payment?
I mean, how do they know it's me who paid?

It's probably obvious but I have to admit I'm lost Smiley
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I wonder what happens next after I pay here
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Special:BitcoinPayment

...how do they connect my account to the payment?
I mean, how do they know it's me who paid?

It's probably obvious but I have to admit I'm lost Smiley

They connect the payment address to your account.

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yes but how?
- I'm in https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Special:BitcoinPayment
- I click the link, my Multibit opens (is this connected to the wiki?)
- I pay
how do they know I paid? Do I have to publish my address in my profile?

Also, if I pay from an exchange that won't work right?

I am asking also to understand how this kind of payment implementation works in general.

Thanks for the reply!

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Your logged in.  They gave you a unique payment address.

Any payment to that address will be linked to the account you are logged in with.
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I knew it was easy but I didn't expect it to be so brilliant!
Sounds great also for implementing on my website.
Thanks!
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The fee amount to 5€ ~ 7$ now... No wonder no one wants to edit the wiki Sad
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Anti-spam fee for french wiki is still 0.01 BTC. I repeat 0.01 BTC (10 mBTC).

The administrators, mostly wealthy english-speaking guys (even though Mark Karpeles @MagicalTux speaks french), haven't realized yet that they forgot to lower the fees for the french part of the wiki.

I just contacted Gregory Maxwell by email, who replied that the fee had been lowered to 0.001 BTC months ago. I told him about the french glitch but I am still waiting for a reply about this.

I sent tweets to @sgornick @MagicalTux @genjix a few hours, I didn't get any reply. Let's wait and see.

I cannot contact them by email because... you have to pay the fee to send emails through the wiki.

Building higher fortresses between the happy few and the rest of the world (80% the world population lives on less than 10$ a day, 10% on less than 1$ a day... 0.001 BTC isn't exactly  a small anti-spam tip for them) shouldn't be a goal of Bitcoin enthusiasts or promoters.

The result of all this?

French pages: 10
French trusted users: 7
French active users: 1

Well done guys! :-)

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Anti-spam fee for french wiki is still 0.01 BTC. I repeat 0.01 BTC (10 mBTC).

The administrators, mostly wealthy english-speaking guys (even though Mark Karpeles @MagicalTux speaks french), haven't realized yet that they forgot to lower the fees for the french part of the wiki.

I just contacted Gregory Maxwell by email, who replied that the fee had been lowered to 0.001 BTC months ago. I told him about the french glitch but I am still waiting for a reply about this.

I sent tweets to @sgornick @MagicalTux @genjix a few hours, I didn't get any reply. Let's wait and see.

I cannot contact them by email because... you have to pay the fee to send emails through the wiki.

Building higher fortresses between the happy few and the rest of the world (80% the world population lives on less than 10$ a day, 10% on less than 1$ a day... 0.001 BTC isn't exactly  a small anti-spam tip for them) shouldn't be a goal of Bitcoin enthusiasts or promoters.

The result of all this?

French pages: 10
French trusted users: 7
French active users: 1

Well done guys! :-)

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Guess what? You are repeating yourself and it's rather boring: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=155482.msg1648623#msg1648623

I already maintain 3 mediawikis. One of them has 250.000 hits and a dozen contributors even though it's about a small local collective.

Let's try to unite our forces instead of dividing them, don't you think clever boy? :-)

And no, it's not about money. I can afford to pay. But I don't want to. I don't want to contribute to a project if 90% of human beings are left stranded at the gate. That looks too much like the current financial and banking system.

If anybody is stupid enough to send me 0.01 BTC i'll donate it to Wikileaks or EFF or something in the way.

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The wiki's kind of broken through being outdated in most articles. It lags months behind major Bitcoin developments, like whenever the fee structure or block size changes. The Trade section's a relic full of broken links and missing major, new-ish businesses. I'd support a wiki experimenting with a different way of doing things. Fwiw.

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The wiki's kind of broken through being outdated in most articles. It lags months behind major Bitcoin developments, like whenever the fee structure or block size changes. The Trade section's a relic full of broken links and missing major, new-ish businesses. I'd support a wiki experimenting with a different way of doing things. Fwiw.
Think this is a consequence of having to pay 0.01 BTC in order to update the wiki or correct errors, people just not going to do it, updating a wiki and correcting errors is actually work, your actually working for the wiki site to provide them with content and on top of the work your doing for them you even have to pay them, it is just a ridiculous concept. This is not how economics work you know. I work for you and I have to pay you to work for you, yeah right  Roll Eyes

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The wiki's kind of broken through being outdated in most articles. It lags months behind major Bitcoin developments, like whenever the fee structure or block size changes. The Trade section's a relic full of broken links and missing major, new-ish businesses. I'd support a wiki experimenting with a different way of doing things. Fwiw.
Think this is a consequence of having to pay 0.01 BTC in order to update the wiki or correct errors, people just not going to do it, updating a wiki and correcting errors is actually work, your actually working for the wiki site to provide them with content and on top of the work your doing for them you even have to pay them, it is just a ridiculous concept.
It could be worthwhile to actually have theymos do it under the forum's name (integrate as wiki.bitcointalk?). Mods could be paid a meager amount as is done here to help encourage activity. Set up a donation wallet for the wiki and whatever isn't covered by donations can come out of the bottomless pit of forum money. Maybe.

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Think this is a consequence of having to pay 0.01 BTC in order to update the wiki or correct errors, people just not going to do it, updating a wiki and correcting errors is actually work, your actually working for the wiki site to provide them with content and on top of the work your doing for them you even have to pay them, it is just a ridiculous concept. This is not how economics work you know. I work for you and I have to pay you to work for you, yeah right  Roll Eyes

I just contacted Gregory Maxwell by email, who replied that the fee had been lowered to 0.001 BTC months ago.

From ilovebitcoin.fr's post, you only need to pay 0.001 BTC for the English wiki..only 0.01 BTC for the French part.
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February 03, 2014, 02:05:53 PM
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Guess what? You are repeating yourself and it's rather boring: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=155482.msg1648623#msg1648623

I already maintain 3 mediawikis. One of them has 250.000 hits and a dozen contributors even though it's about a small local collective.

Let's try to unite our forces instead of dividing them, don't you think clever boy? :-)

And no, it's not about money. I can afford to pay. But I don't want to. I don't want to contribute to a project if 90% of human beings are left stranded at the gate. That looks too much like the current financial and banking system.

If anybody is stupid enough to send me 0.01 BTC i'll donate it to Wikileaks or EFF or something in the way.

Cheers!

To be honest the more wikis we have the better it isn't dividing it is decentralizing the information.

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February 03, 2014, 04:02:01 PM
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Wikipedia can only successfully be edited by people who are part of the incrowd. They don't ask money for edits but if you are not buddies with the incrowd your edits will be reversed mercilessly and in the worst case you get banned. Just try editing the Bitcoin article on Wikipedia and find out for yourself.

All online communities have their own rules and their own set of connected people who can get away with things that are a bannable offense for others.
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Wikipedia can only successfully be edited by people who are part of the incrowd. They don't ask money for edits but if you are not buddies with the incrowd your edits will be reversed mercilessly and in the worst case you get banned. Just try editing the Bitcoin article on Wikipedia and find out for yourself.

All online communities have their own rules and their own set of connected people who can get away with things that are a bannable offense for others.


I cant agree with u 100% as a long term Wikipedia editor. Their are problems of sockpuppet and vandalism as well as lobbies. But still anyone can edit it for free. I wrote a long part on Bin Laden's death and that's still there.

This Bitcoin Wiki is actually controlled by the group who started Bitcoin movement. Now they'll enjoy the cream on all front. Wherever u challenge them, they'll say "start your own and convince people to join". Whether it is code or the wiki.

Bottom line is: Use Bitcoin, but dont expect it to replace FIAT. Because, just like FIAT is controlled by the government, Bitcoin is also controlled by the core group - Theymos aka Michael Marquardt, Gavin etc.

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Bottom line is: Use Bitcoin, but dont expect it to replace FIAT. Because, just like FIAT is controlled by the government, Bitcoin is also controlled by the core group - Theymos aka Michael Marquardt, Gavin etc.

Very false! Yes the wiki is controlled by Mark from Mt Gox, but nothing is stopping you from creating and promoting your own wiki. Really the wiki lost a huge part which was the BIP's which are now hosted on github as it is more open for people to edit and comment.

If facebook can overtake myspace, you can over take a little wiki.

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Bottom line is: Use Bitcoin, but dont expect it to replace FIAT. Because, just like FIAT is controlled by the government, Bitcoin is also controlled by the core group - Theymos aka Michael Marquardt, Gavin etc.

Very false! Yes the wiki is controlled by Mark from Mt Gox, but nothing is stopping you from creating and promoting your own wiki. Really the wiki lost a huge part which was the BIP's which are now hosted on github as it is more open for people to edit and comment.

If facebook can overtake myspace, you can over take a little wiki.

LoLz ...its not only about Wiki ....its about the whole Bitcoin thing. Most of the related domains are now with Michael Marquardt. Code is now with Gavin (I know its open and your anyone can contribute buzzword, but ultimately the core dev group will take the final decision. It is like our own representative take the Govt decision that goes against us !!!). Gox still controls the Bitcoin price, though Boby Lee has joined the league as well... but again, Boby Lee's brother is now working with Gavin at Coinbase. That old nexus. Somewhere I heard, Satoshi distributed his assets among people so that the decentralized structure remains. Ha ha ...what if those people get united ...and that's happening now. Even in the mining front we are always scared of 51% attack ....though I'm sure it'll never happen as if it happens, from the next day an alt coin will go to the moon.

And yes... another wiki, like FB beat MySpace. FB did not create a profile under MySPace to beat them. They made a ground up design. Here the option is Alt coin. But why should we try them out at all ? We have FIAT. Our own taxed Govt control them. Wait few years and let BTC take over. All those mumbo-jumbo commissions will be vanished and people will star liking CC again.

I dont need to create another wiki. I have wikipedia to tie your hands if u cross the line ...SIMPLE  Wink

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I went to the wiki to add an entry,

I had an account in there for 2+ years,

Now finding out I have to pay to edit... disappointed,,, onward.

I believe it should be free to all so there is no barrier to anyone who wishes to contribute..  Sad
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Bottom line is: Use Bitcoin, but dont expect it to replace FIAT. Because, just like FIAT is controlled by the government, Bitcoin is also controlled by the core group - Theymos aka Michael Marquardt, Gavin etc.

Very false! Yes the wiki is controlled by Mark from Mt Gox, but nothing is stopping you from creating and promoting your own wiki. Really the wiki lost a huge part which was the BIP's which are now hosted on github as it is more open for people to edit and comment.

If facebook can overtake myspace, you can over take a little wiki.

LoLz ...its not only about Wiki ....its about the whole Bitcoin thing. Most of the related domains are now with Michael Marquardt. Code is now with Gavin (I know its open and your anyone can contribute buzzword, but ultimately the core dev group will take the final decision. It is like our own representative take the Govt decision that goes against us !!!). Gox still controls the Bitcoin price, though Boby Lee has joined the league as well... but again, Boby Lee's brother is now working with Gavin at Coinbase. That old nexus. Somewhere I heard, Satoshi distributed his assets among people so that the decentralized structure remains. Ha ha ...what if those people get united ...and that's happening now. Even in the mining front we are always scared of 51% attack ....though I'm sure it'll never happen as if it happens, from the next day an alt coin will go to the moon.

And yes... another wiki, like FB beat MySpace. FB did not create a profile under MySPace to beat them. They made a ground up design. Here the option is Alt coin. But why should we try them out at all ? We have FIAT. Our own taxed Govt control them. Wait few years and let BTC take over. All those mumbo-jumbo commissions will be vanished and people will star liking CC again.

I dont need to create another wiki. I have wikipedia to tie your hands if u cross the line ...SIMPLE  Wink

Theymos doesn't control any domains. Bitcoin.org and bitcointalk.org are owned by Sirus. I don't use the bitcoin-qt put out by the core devs I use one that is put out by the litecoin devs and has more power user features. I don't see how Gavin controls the code, you can just revert back to any old copy, if you don't like it. I think what you mean Gavin has control of what goes into client and as I said before I use a different fork of the bitcoin-qt. Remember this project is very young and one of the visions that Satoshi had was many different wallets would exist and we are starting to see that. Really the miners do control the protocol, cause 51% of them can switch to another protocol and rendering anything that Gavin created in usable if need be.

Also you are very wrong Bobby Lee's brother works with him. Charles Lee the creator of Litecoin is working with coinbase, but I don't get what that has to do with anything. Gavin is an advisor and that means he is helping Brain Armstrong with decisions and may get a bit of stock but that is it. I agree Gavin shouldn't be in bed with companies but what you going to do? Oh wait start your own coinbase...

51% attack only happens if the pool is malicious and they conduct the attack. Currently if any pool got to 51% I wouldn't be scared at all cause most pools make a lot of money and don't really want to kill bitcoin to prove a point. The incentive to cause a 51% would not be there.

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February 05, 2014, 05:20:33 AM
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200 million french speaking people are waiting eagerly to be able to participate to bitcoin.it wiki without paying 10 times the amount of anti-spam tax english speaking people are required to pay.

Could someone relay this request to interested parties?

That would be:

Genjix
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These nice people are either totally inaccessible or too busy to reply to my tweets. :-)

And, believe it or not, quite a few of those 200 million french speaking people know how to set up and administer a mediawiki, and something tells me they're not going to beg the aforementioned very long before starting something of their own.

Merci.

Salutations distinguées.

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Bottom line is: Use Bitcoin, but dont expect it to replace FIAT. Because, just like FIAT is controlled by the government, Bitcoin is also controlled by the core group - Theymos aka Michael Marquardt, Gavin etc.

Very false! Yes the wiki is controlled by Mark from Mt Gox, but nothing is stopping you from creating and promoting your own wiki. Really the wiki lost a huge part which was the BIP's which are now hosted on github as it is more open for people to edit and comment.

If facebook can overtake myspace, you can over take a little wiki.

LoLz ...its not only about Wiki ....its about the whole Bitcoin thing. Most of the related domains are now with Michael Marquardt. Code is now with Gavin (I know its open and your anyone can contribute buzzword, but ultimately the core dev group will take the final decision. It is like our own representative take the Govt decision that goes against us !!!). Gox still controls the Bitcoin price, though Boby Lee has joined the league as well... but again, Boby Lee's brother is now working with Gavin at Coinbase. That old nexus. Somewhere I heard, Satoshi distributed his assets among people so that the decentralized structure remains. Ha ha ...what if those people get united ...and that's happening now. Even in the mining front we are always scared of 51% attack ....though I'm sure it'll never happen as if it happens, from the next day an alt coin will go to the moon.

And yes... another wiki, like FB beat MySpace. FB did not create a profile under MySPace to beat them. They made a ground up design. Here the option is Alt coin. But why should we try them out at all ? We have FIAT. Our own taxed Govt control them. Wait few years and let BTC take over. All those mumbo-jumbo commissions will be vanished and people will star liking CC again.

I dont need to create another wiki. I have wikipedia to tie your hands if u cross the line ...SIMPLE  Wink

Theymos doesn't control any domains. Bitcoin.org and bitcointalk.org are owned by Sirus. I don't use the bitcoin-qt put out by the core devs I use one that is put out by the litecoin devs and has more power user features. I don't see how Gavin controls the code, you can just revert back to any old copy, if you don't like it. I think what you mean Gavin has control of what goes into client and as I said before I use a different fork of the bitcoin-qt. Remember this project is very young and one of the visions that Satoshi had was many different wallets would exist and we are starting to see that. Really the miners do control the protocol, cause 51% of them can switch to another protocol and rendering anything that Gavin created in usable if need be.

Also you are very wrong Bobby Lee's brother works with him. Charles Lee the creator of Litecoin is working with coinbase, but I don't get what that has to do with anything. Gavin is an advisor and that means he is helping Brain Armstrong with decisions and may get a bit of stock but that is it. I agree Gavin shouldn't be in bed with companies but what you going to do? Oh wait start your own coinbase...

51% attack only happens if the pool is malicious and they conduct the attack. Currently if any pool got to 51% I wouldn't be scared at all cause most pools make a lot of money and don't really want to kill bitcoin to prove a point. The incentive to cause a 51% would not be there.

Theymos doesn't control any domains. - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=399281.0

Also you are very wrong Bobby Lee's brother works with him. - Charles Lee is the brother of Bobby Lee. U cant separate brothers because they are working on 2 diff projects.


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Theymos doesn't control any domains. - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=399281.0

You said he controls most of the related domains, he doesn't own bitcointalk.org or bitcoin.org those are the two most related domains.

Also you are very wrong Bobby Lee's brother works with him. - Charles Lee is the brother of Bobby Lee. U cant separate brothers because they are working on 2 diff projects.

Charles Lee and Bobby Lee are not brothers but you can believe what you want. Bobby Lee's actual brother works on the exchange with him.

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Hello!

Just to let you know. The fee indicated on https://fr.bitcoin.it/wiki/Sp%C3%A9cial:BitcoinPayment Bitcoin Payment page (you have to be registered to see it) hasn't been updated. You just have to pay 0.001 BTC to the personal bitcoin address that shows up on this page, wait 6 confirmations, maybe log out and log back in and there you are, trusted member, ready to edit wiki pages.

I edited this page: https://fr.bitcoin.it/wiki/FAQ#Comment_contribuer_.3F to warn french users about this glitch and encourage them to donate the reasonable 0.001 BTC and participate to the french wiki.

I'm still waiting for a magical response from MagicalTux about this big time consuming work: adding a zero on a wiki page. Still no response since february 3rd. I guess he's busy fixing the MtGox quagmire but I suggest one thing to all those top brass busy bitcoin guys: DEVOLUTION OF POWER. A wiki for a whole community shouldn't have only one administrator, particularly if he's too busy and not interested in administering it anymore.

So long.

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You can't use this domain but I threw this up just to show you:

http://thingsgohere.com

I could set that up for you on your domain in less than a minute. Alternatively if you buy a domain and give me access to the nameserver management I will take it over from there and you can just be a contributor on the site and I'll handle general administration. I don't really care one way or another I just like doing web stuff and this seems like a chance to do some.

I got CryptoWiki.org which I'm happy to use for this purpose. Your ThingsGoHere isn't showing up.

What is the vote on what wiki to use? Mediawiki?
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I sent 0.001 BTC to the Bitcoin Wiki and waited for dozens of confirmations and logged off and logged in again, but I haven't become a trusted user. To whom should I contact?
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Hey warut!

You have to contact the administrator of the wiki: Mark Karpeles. ‏@MagicalTux on Twitter. You can also have a list of all his email addresses on GPG key servers: https://sks-keyservers.net (enter magicaltux in the interaction page).

What was the address?

For what language did you try to pay? fr, en, other?

The trouble is that the only way to contact Mark Karpeles nowadays is to go to the front of his building in Tokyo and wait for him to come in or out...

Let us know how it turns out. If the wiki cannot welcome new editors anymore, we'll have to fork it.

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Thanks, ilovebitcoin.fr. Somebody promoted me to a trusted user of the en version soon after I posted. Thank him/her, too. Smiley
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Would it be possible for you to explain the situation and maybe answer to some of my questions?

Because you come here saying it doesn't work and then you just explain nothing so it's a bit frustrating...

Thank you for your time.

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And no, it's not about money. I can afford to pay. But I don't want to. I don't want to contribute to a project if 90% of human beings are left stranded at the gate. That looks too much like the current financial and banking system.

I think you'll find the whole bitcoin economy is like this. There are the early adopters who are now like aristocracy and then there's the rest of us.

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And no, it's not about money. I can afford to pay. But I don't want to. I don't want to contribute to a project if 90% of human beings are left stranded at the gate. That looks too much like the current financial and banking system.

I think you'll find the whole bitcoin economy is like this. There are the early adopters who are now like aristocracy and then there's the rest of us.

We assumed the most amount of risk. When I first made a good amount in bitcoin, I had a go bag ready. We had no idea how governments would react. So you are saying we don't deserve the wealth? I think you need to rethink your statement.

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And no, it's not about money. I can afford to pay. But I don't want to. I don't want to contribute to a project if 90% of human beings are left stranded at the gate. That looks too much like the current financial and banking system.

I think you'll find the whole bitcoin economy is like this. There are the early adopters who are now like aristocracy and then there's the rest of us.

Wish to be an early adopter Tongue


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i guess its a business idea to make money. they have pos and we have to pay to edit the content instead they should pay me for making contribution to the site. its not fair.
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Hello,

I just wanted to say that I think that the bitcoin.it wiki is far from being a wiki, as in wikipedia.

You need to pay a fee to be able to edit (0.01BTC/0.5€/0.6$) for EACH language you would like to contribute to :

https://it.bitcoin.it/wiki/Speciale:BitcoinPayment
https://fr.bitcoin.it/wiki/Sp%C3%A9cial:BitcoinPayment
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Special:BitcoinPayment
https://es.bitcoin.it/wiki/Especial:BitcoinPayment

And when you try to contact admin/mods through contact@bitcoin.it, you get no response (I was asking to allow me edit french pages as I made a donation to the "english" donation page.)

So my questions are : How could be a wiki that much broken become the "official" Bitcoin wiki ? How can this wiki be an incentive to get started with Bitcoins when there is only 2 pages in your language and you can't add content ?

Its normal the fees are there as a donation to their system. If they will not charge you with something then where will they get profit from their site. They are paying the host and domain monthly and your donation will be of help to them. There are no such thing as free lunch today, what i mean is if you want a good services you need to pay for it.

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The fees is just for spam protection. You can't imagine the number of SEO spammers that would love to place a link on any page of this wiki Wink For the french wiki you can go to the french section and ask to someone, it is what the wiki is recommanding. At least you can get a better help than here with people with negative attitude. One of the good point of bitcoin is the community part where people can contribute in a way or another
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You don't have to pay a fee to activate your account anymore. You just have to ask to be activated

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I agree bitcoin.it doesn't have anything to do or involve with wikipedia. Of course, anyone can study or learn about bitcoin through wikipedia, that is not forbidden. However, if you really want legit information you should rely on a more accurate source.

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