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February 03, 2014, 10:38:44 PM
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Bottom line is: Use Bitcoin, but dont expect it to replace FIAT. Because, just like FIAT is controlled by the government, Bitcoin is also controlled by the core group - Theymos aka Michael Marquardt, Gavin etc.

Very false! Yes the wiki is controlled by Mark from Mt Gox, but nothing is stopping you from creating and promoting your own wiki. Really the wiki lost a huge part which was the BIP's which are now hosted on github as it is more open for people to edit and comment.

If facebook can overtake myspace, you can over take a little wiki.

LoLz ...its not only about Wiki ....its about the whole Bitcoin thing. Most of the related domains are now with Michael Marquardt. Code is now with Gavin (I know its open and your anyone can contribute buzzword, but ultimately the core dev group will take the final decision. It is like our own representative take the Govt decision that goes against us !!!). Gox still controls the Bitcoin price, though Boby Lee has joined the league as well... but again, Boby Lee's brother is now working with Gavin at Coinbase. That old nexus. Somewhere I heard, Satoshi distributed his assets among people so that the decentralized structure remains. Ha ha ...what if those people get united ...and that's happening now. Even in the mining front we are always scared of 51% attack ....though I'm sure it'll never happen as if it happens, from the next day an alt coin will go to the moon.

And yes... another wiki, like FB beat MySpace. FB did not create a profile under MySPace to beat them. They made a ground up design. Here the option is Alt coin. But why should we try them out at all ? We have FIAT. Our own taxed Govt control them. Wait few years and let BTC take over. All those mumbo-jumbo commissions will be vanished and people will star liking CC again.

I dont need to create another wiki. I have wikipedia to tie your hands if u cross the line ...SIMPLE  Wink

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February 04, 2014, 03:14:19 AM
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I went to the wiki to add an entry,

I had an account in there for 2+ years,

Now finding out I have to pay to edit... disappointed,,, onward.

I believe it should be free to all so there is no barrier to anyone who wishes to contribute..  Sad
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February 04, 2014, 05:45:18 AM
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Bottom line is: Use Bitcoin, but dont expect it to replace FIAT. Because, just like FIAT is controlled by the government, Bitcoin is also controlled by the core group - Theymos aka Michael Marquardt, Gavin etc.

Very false! Yes the wiki is controlled by Mark from Mt Gox, but nothing is stopping you from creating and promoting your own wiki. Really the wiki lost a huge part which was the BIP's which are now hosted on github as it is more open for people to edit and comment.

If facebook can overtake myspace, you can over take a little wiki.

LoLz ...its not only about Wiki ....its about the whole Bitcoin thing. Most of the related domains are now with Michael Marquardt. Code is now with Gavin (I know its open and your anyone can contribute buzzword, but ultimately the core dev group will take the final decision. It is like our own representative take the Govt decision that goes against us !!!). Gox still controls the Bitcoin price, though Boby Lee has joined the league as well... but again, Boby Lee's brother is now working with Gavin at Coinbase. That old nexus. Somewhere I heard, Satoshi distributed his assets among people so that the decentralized structure remains. Ha ha ...what if those people get united ...and that's happening now. Even in the mining front we are always scared of 51% attack ....though I'm sure it'll never happen as if it happens, from the next day an alt coin will go to the moon.

And yes... another wiki, like FB beat MySpace. FB did not create a profile under MySPace to beat them. They made a ground up design. Here the option is Alt coin. But why should we try them out at all ? We have FIAT. Our own taxed Govt control them. Wait few years and let BTC take over. All those mumbo-jumbo commissions will be vanished and people will star liking CC again.

I dont need to create another wiki. I have wikipedia to tie your hands if u cross the line ...SIMPLE  Wink

Theymos doesn't control any domains. Bitcoin.org and bitcointalk.org are owned by Sirus. I don't use the bitcoin-qt put out by the core devs I use one that is put out by the litecoin devs and has more power user features. I don't see how Gavin controls the code, you can just revert back to any old copy, if you don't like it. I think what you mean Gavin has control of what goes into client and as I said before I use a different fork of the bitcoin-qt. Remember this project is very young and one of the visions that Satoshi had was many different wallets would exist and we are starting to see that. Really the miners do control the protocol, cause 51% of them can switch to another protocol and rendering anything that Gavin created in usable if need be.

Also you are very wrong Bobby Lee's brother works with him. Charles Lee the creator of Litecoin is working with coinbase, but I don't get what that has to do with anything. Gavin is an advisor and that means he is helping Brain Armstrong with decisions and may get a bit of stock but that is it. I agree Gavin shouldn't be in bed with companies but what you going to do? Oh wait start your own coinbase...

51% attack only happens if the pool is malicious and they conduct the attack. Currently if any pool got to 51% I wouldn't be scared at all cause most pools make a lot of money and don't really want to kill bitcoin to prove a point. The incentive to cause a 51% would not be there.

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February 05, 2014, 05:20:33 AM
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200 million french speaking people are waiting eagerly to be able to participate to bitcoin.it wiki without paying 10 times the amount of anti-spam tax english speaking people are required to pay.

Could someone relay this request to interested parties?

That would be:

Genjix
Kiba
MagicalTux
Nanotube
Sgornick

These nice people are either totally inaccessible or too busy to reply to my tweets. :-)

And, believe it or not, quite a few of those 200 million french speaking people know how to set up and administer a mediawiki, and something tells me they're not going to beg the aforementioned very long before starting something of their own.

Merci.

Salutations distinguées.

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February 05, 2014, 05:29:51 PM
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Bottom line is: Use Bitcoin, but dont expect it to replace FIAT. Because, just like FIAT is controlled by the government, Bitcoin is also controlled by the core group - Theymos aka Michael Marquardt, Gavin etc.

Very false! Yes the wiki is controlled by Mark from Mt Gox, but nothing is stopping you from creating and promoting your own wiki. Really the wiki lost a huge part which was the BIP's which are now hosted on github as it is more open for people to edit and comment.

If facebook can overtake myspace, you can over take a little wiki.

LoLz ...its not only about Wiki ....its about the whole Bitcoin thing. Most of the related domains are now with Michael Marquardt. Code is now with Gavin (I know its open and your anyone can contribute buzzword, but ultimately the core dev group will take the final decision. It is like our own representative take the Govt decision that goes against us !!!). Gox still controls the Bitcoin price, though Boby Lee has joined the league as well... but again, Boby Lee's brother is now working with Gavin at Coinbase. That old nexus. Somewhere I heard, Satoshi distributed his assets among people so that the decentralized structure remains. Ha ha ...what if those people get united ...and that's happening now. Even in the mining front we are always scared of 51% attack ....though I'm sure it'll never happen as if it happens, from the next day an alt coin will go to the moon.

And yes... another wiki, like FB beat MySpace. FB did not create a profile under MySPace to beat them. They made a ground up design. Here the option is Alt coin. But why should we try them out at all ? We have FIAT. Our own taxed Govt control them. Wait few years and let BTC take over. All those mumbo-jumbo commissions will be vanished and people will star liking CC again.

I dont need to create another wiki. I have wikipedia to tie your hands if u cross the line ...SIMPLE  Wink

Theymos doesn't control any domains. Bitcoin.org and bitcointalk.org are owned by Sirus. I don't use the bitcoin-qt put out by the core devs I use one that is put out by the litecoin devs and has more power user features. I don't see how Gavin controls the code, you can just revert back to any old copy, if you don't like it. I think what you mean Gavin has control of what goes into client and as I said before I use a different fork of the bitcoin-qt. Remember this project is very young and one of the visions that Satoshi had was many different wallets would exist and we are starting to see that. Really the miners do control the protocol, cause 51% of them can switch to another protocol and rendering anything that Gavin created in usable if need be.

Also you are very wrong Bobby Lee's brother works with him. Charles Lee the creator of Litecoin is working with coinbase, but I don't get what that has to do with anything. Gavin is an advisor and that means he is helping Brain Armstrong with decisions and may get a bit of stock but that is it. I agree Gavin shouldn't be in bed with companies but what you going to do? Oh wait start your own coinbase...

51% attack only happens if the pool is malicious and they conduct the attack. Currently if any pool got to 51% I wouldn't be scared at all cause most pools make a lot of money and don't really want to kill bitcoin to prove a point. The incentive to cause a 51% would not be there.

Theymos doesn't control any domains. - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=399281.0

Also you are very wrong Bobby Lee's brother works with him. - Charles Lee is the brother of Bobby Lee. U cant separate brothers because they are working on 2 diff projects.


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February 05, 2014, 05:41:57 PM
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Theymos doesn't control any domains. - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=399281.0

You said he controls most of the related domains, he doesn't own bitcointalk.org or bitcoin.org those are the two most related domains.

Also you are very wrong Bobby Lee's brother works with him. - Charles Lee is the brother of Bobby Lee. U cant separate brothers because they are working on 2 diff projects.

Charles Lee and Bobby Lee are not brothers but you can believe what you want. Bobby Lee's actual brother works on the exchange with him.

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February 09, 2014, 04:40:57 PM
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Hello!

Just to let you know. The fee indicated on https://fr.bitcoin.it/wiki/Sp%C3%A9cial:BitcoinPayment Bitcoin Payment page (you have to be registered to see it) hasn't been updated. You just have to pay 0.001 BTC to the personal bitcoin address that shows up on this page, wait 6 confirmations, maybe log out and log back in and there you are, trusted member, ready to edit wiki pages.

I edited this page: https://fr.bitcoin.it/wiki/FAQ#Comment_contribuer_.3F to warn french users about this glitch and encourage them to donate the reasonable 0.001 BTC and participate to the french wiki.

I'm still waiting for a magical response from MagicalTux about this big time consuming work: adding a zero on a wiki page. Still no response since february 3rd. I guess he's busy fixing the MtGox quagmire but I suggest one thing to all those top brass busy bitcoin guys: DEVOLUTION OF POWER. A wiki for a whole community shouldn't have only one administrator, particularly if he's too busy and not interested in administering it anymore.

So long.

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February 09, 2014, 10:06:27 PM
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You can't use this domain but I threw this up just to show you:

http://thingsgohere.com

I could set that up for you on your domain in less than a minute. Alternatively if you buy a domain and give me access to the nameserver management I will take it over from there and you can just be a contributor on the site and I'll handle general administration. I don't really care one way or another I just like doing web stuff and this seems like a chance to do some.

I got CryptoWiki.org which I'm happy to use for this purpose. Your ThingsGoHere isn't showing up.

What is the vote on what wiki to use? Mediawiki?
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February 15, 2014, 12:35:32 PM
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I sent 0.001 BTC to the Bitcoin Wiki and waited for dozens of confirmations and logged off and logged in again, but I haven't become a trusted user. To whom should I contact?
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February 15, 2014, 12:55:01 PM
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Hey warut!

You have to contact the administrator of the wiki: Mark Karpeles. ‏@MagicalTux on Twitter. You can also have a list of all his email addresses on GPG key servers: https://sks-keyservers.net (enter magicaltux in the interaction page).

What was the address?

For what language did you try to pay? fr, en, other?

The trouble is that the only way to contact Mark Karpeles nowadays is to go to the front of his building in Tokyo and wait for him to come in or out...

Let us know how it turns out. If the wiki cannot welcome new editors anymore, we'll have to fork it.

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February 15, 2014, 01:04:37 PM
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Thanks, ilovebitcoin.fr. Somebody promoted me to a trusted user of the en version soon after I posted. Thank him/her, too. Smiley
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February 15, 2014, 02:52:55 PM
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Would it be possible for you to explain the situation and maybe answer to some of my questions?

Because you come here saying it doesn't work and then you just explain nothing so it's a bit frustrating...

Thank you for your time.

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February 15, 2014, 08:22:53 PM
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And no, it's not about money. I can afford to pay. But I don't want to. I don't want to contribute to a project if 90% of human beings are left stranded at the gate. That looks too much like the current financial and banking system.

I think you'll find the whole bitcoin economy is like this. There are the early adopters who are now like aristocracy and then there's the rest of us.

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February 15, 2014, 09:01:52 PM
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And no, it's not about money. I can afford to pay. But I don't want to. I don't want to contribute to a project if 90% of human beings are left stranded at the gate. That looks too much like the current financial and banking system.

I think you'll find the whole bitcoin economy is like this. There are the early adopters who are now like aristocracy and then there's the rest of us.

We assumed the most amount of risk. When I first made a good amount in bitcoin, I had a go bag ready. We had no idea how governments would react. So you are saying we don't deserve the wealth? I think you need to rethink your statement.

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February 15, 2014, 11:39:55 PM
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And no, it's not about money. I can afford to pay. But I don't want to. I don't want to contribute to a project if 90% of human beings are left stranded at the gate. That looks too much like the current financial and banking system.

I think you'll find the whole bitcoin economy is like this. There are the early adopters who are now like aristocracy and then there's the rest of us.

Wish to be an early adopter Tongue


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March 01, 2017, 07:19:11 AM
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i guess its a business idea to make money. they have pos and we have to pay to edit the content instead they should pay me for making contribution to the site. its not fair.
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March 01, 2017, 12:16:28 PM
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Hello,

I just wanted to say that I think that the bitcoin.it wiki is far from being a wiki, as in wikipedia.

You need to pay a fee to be able to edit (0.01BTC/0.5€/0.6$) for EACH language you would like to contribute to :

https://it.bitcoin.it/wiki/Speciale:BitcoinPayment
https://fr.bitcoin.it/wiki/Sp%C3%A9cial:BitcoinPayment
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Special:BitcoinPayment
https://es.bitcoin.it/wiki/Especial:BitcoinPayment

And when you try to contact admin/mods through contact@bitcoin.it, you get no response (I was asking to allow me edit french pages as I made a donation to the "english" donation page.)

So my questions are : How could be a wiki that much broken become the "official" Bitcoin wiki ? How can this wiki be an incentive to get started with Bitcoins when there is only 2 pages in your language and you can't add content ?

Its normal the fees are there as a donation to their system. If they will not charge you with something then where will they get profit from their site. They are paying the host and domain monthly and your donation will be of help to them. There are no such thing as free lunch today, what i mean is if you want a good services you need to pay for it.

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March 01, 2017, 02:46:15 PM
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The fees is just for spam protection. You can't imagine the number of SEO spammers that would love to place a link on any page of this wiki Wink For the french wiki you can go to the french section and ask to someone, it is what the wiki is recommanding. At least you can get a better help than here with people with negative attitude. One of the good point of bitcoin is the community part where people can contribute in a way or another
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You don't have to pay a fee to activate your account anymore. You just have to ask to be activated

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October 13, 2017, 07:18:09 AM
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I agree bitcoin.it doesn't have anything to do or involve with wikipedia. Of course, anyone can study or learn about bitcoin through wikipedia, that is not forbidden. However, if you really want legit information you should rely on a more accurate source.

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