9/11 terror attacks

[Xubu]

Last night i saw a lot of documentations about 9/11. I want to know what the public opinion is about the attacks.

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[Vika NSFW]

i saw a lot of documentations about 9/11

Check this one too. This too.

[BADecker]

Since the general public doesn't use Bitcointalk, you will never get a proper vote here.

Polling people can make the polls say whatever they want by the questions they ask and the way they report the answers.

The media will report whatever they want the people to see.

You will never get the right answer.

The closest you might come is to tabulate what all the private Internet media people have to say.

[Xubu]

Since the general public doesn't use Bitcointalk, you will never get a proper vote here.

Polling people can make the polls say whatever they want by the questions they ask and the way they report the answers.

The media will report whatever they want the people to see.

You will never get the right answer.

The closest you might come is to tabulate what all the private Internet media people have to say.

That is not enough, i have my doubts. I want to know what really happened? Maybe there will be a leak of information in the future. I hope it happens.

[BADecker]

More and more the people are against the official 9/11 story, and the world wars that it caused.


Veterans Reach Their Tipping Point Against Our Post-9/11 Wars

An important new consensus is forming against America's endless wars, shaped by an important constituency: the military veterans who have sacrificed so much to fight them. A Pew Research poll of veterans released contained results that contradict the cherished talking points of the bipartisan Washington foreign policy blob that sees "leadership" and "engagement" as being synonymous with bombing and regime change.

Sixty-four percent of veterans said the war in Iraq was not worth fighting when the costs to America are weighed against the ostensible benefits to the region and our national security. Just 33 percent concluded that George W. Bush's Baghdad democracy adventure was worthwhile in retrospect.

That's not much different than the prevailing view among the American public, where 62 percent said the Iraq war wasn't worth it versus 32 percent who still think it should have been fought. Perhaps more surprisingly, 58 percent of veterans believe the Afghanistan war—now America's longest, despite two consecutive presidents of both parties advocating retrenchment—wasn't worth fighting. That's only a point behind the 59 percent of Americans as a whole who say the same.

[Naida_BR]

I believe it was a conspiracy.
It is so difficult in a country like the US to let an airplane fly so low in a place with so many skyscrappers around.
Everything seems so wrong in this story, in a country with so many security levels...

[Spendulus]

I believe it was a conspiracy.
It is so difficult in a country like the US to let an airplane fly so low in a place with so many skyscrappers around.
Everything seems so wrong in this story, in a country with so many security levels...

"Let an airplane fly so low"?

Has it occurred to you that the radical Muslim hijackers did not follow the rules?

[BADecker]

I believe it was a conspiracy.
It is so difficult in a country like the US to let an airplane fly so low in a place with so many skyscrappers around.
Everything seems so wrong in this story, in a country with so many security levels...

"Let an airplane fly so low"?

Has it occurred to you that the radical Muslim hijackers did not follow the rules?

Has it occurred to you that the Strategic Air Command did not follow the rules either? So you're a government man!

Hundreds of inside-job stories listed here - https://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Subjects/00254-LAST-911-world-trade-center.htm.

[otrkid1970]

Building 7 Collapses because it caught on fire.  That alone says a lot. Some shady shit happened on 9/11

[BADecker]

I didn't know Israel had advanced knowledge of the impending Twin Tower attacks.

I didn't know that the Muslim pilots flunked flying school so badly that they could never have flown the planes.

I didn't know that the FBI never released the Pentagon films of the crash.

I gotta check out the link to find out what else I didn't know.


Some of the Many Things Most Americans Never Heard About 9/11

Later on Israeli TV they said they were sent to New York to film the destruction of the twin towers.  Allegedly, there was no advance warning of the event, but obviously the Israelis knew.  

The alleged fundamentalist orthodox fanatical Muslims who were prepared to die to be martyrs, but who drank, drugged, and lived with strippers and prostitutes in Florida. They were the patsies paraded through flight schools and left a highly visible public record.  They all flunked out and could not even fly small planes, but performed miraculous flight feats in their attacks on the WTC towers and Pentagon that military and civilian airline pilots say are beyond their own skills.  These Saudi Arabians were being operated by US or Israeli intelligence to create a record to serve as a parallel patsy operation that could be used to cover up the false flag attack.

Numerous video cameras recorded whatever exploded at the Pentagon, but the FBI has refused to release them for 18 years. Clearly, the videos do not support the official story.

[notbatman]

Building 7 Collapses because it caught on fire.  That alone says a lot. Some shady shit happened on 9/11

"The principal conclusion of our study is that fire did not cause the collapse of WTC 7 on 9/11" -- J. Leroy Hulsey, Ph.D., P.E., S.E., University of Alaska Fairbanks and,
Zhili Quan, Ph.D., Bridge Engineer, South Carolina Department of Transportation and,
Feng Xiao, Ph.D., Associate Professor, Nanjing University of Science and Technology Department of Civil Engineering,
Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering, College of Engineering and Mines Institute of Northern Engineering University of Alaska Fairbanks.

Source: http://ine.uaf.edu/media/222439/uaf_wtc7_draft_report_09-03-2019.pdf


Conspiracy confirmed.

[BADecker]

Building 7 Collapses because it caught on fire.  That alone says a lot. Some shady shit happened on 9/11

"The principal conclusion of our study is that fire did not cause the collapse of WTC 7 on 9/11" -- J. Leroy Hulsey, Ph.D., P.E., S.E., University of Alaska Fairbanks and,
Zhili Quan, Ph.D., Bridge Engineer, South Carolina Department of Transportation and,
Feng Xiao, Ph.D., Associate Professor, Nanjing University of Science and Technology Department of Civil Engineering,
Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering, College of Engineering and Mines Institute of Northern Engineering University of Alaska Fairbanks.

Source: http://ine.uaf.edu/media/222439/uaf_wtc7_draft_report_09-03-2019.pdf


Conspiracy confirmed.

Not conspiracy confirmed. Rather terrorism confirmed. But not terrorism of some Arabs against America. Rather, terrorism of some of the top leaders in the US Government against the American people... and even, against the people of the whole world. They are using the US Government to do terrorism and war on the whole world.

Kokesh for President - https://kokeshforpresident.com/.

[Lapatai]

There are a lot of conspiracy info about 9/11. Steel beams didn't melt and was clearly cut, WTC 7 just collapsed on its own, the "plane" that hit Pentagon burned to nothing (of course only the passports of the terrorists remained) and many many other things...

To me it was clearly an inside job to start war.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ETFprVKi2g

You can find more info in this video.

[squatz1]

I believe it was a conspiracy.
It is so difficult in a country like the US to let an airplane fly so low in a place with so many skyscrappers around.
Everything seems so wrong in this story, in a country with so many security levels...

Now it seems like something that would never happen.

When it happened though, there had been no real safety features on a plane. The doors to the cockpit weren't locked, barely any screening at airports, no air marshals, no large scale intelligence at airports to be looking for this sort of behavior.

If we look at it from a lens of today, one that is pretty much relying on all of the intelligence we have today and the security features it's going to be hard for you to see it happening.

But it did happen, its' not a conspiracy theory. Two planes hit the WTC. One hit the pentagon, and another was going for the White House and it was taken over by the people on board.

What else is there to know about it?

[TECSHARE]

I believe it was a conspiracy.
It is so difficult in a country like the US to let an airplane fly so low in a place with so many skyscrappers around.
Everything seems so wrong in this story, in a country with so many security levels...

Now it seems like something that would never happen.

When it happened though, there had been no real safety features on a plane. The doors to the cockpit weren't locked, barely any screening at airports, no air marshals, no large scale intelligence at airports to be looking for this sort of behavior.

If we look at it from a lens of today, one that is pretty much relying on all of the intelligence we have today and the security features it's going to be hard for you to see it happening.

But it did happen, its' not a conspiracy theory. Two planes hit the WTC. One hit the pentagon, and another was going for the White House and it was taken over by the people on board.

What else is there to know about it?

A lot. I was an adult when it happened and witnessed the events unfold that day (on the news) as it happened. Even then there was no excuse for this to be possible. There is so much that is wrong with the official story, but the part no one can argue with is the laws of physics. Unfortunately according to the official story the laws of physics were broken multiple times that day.

[BADecker]

I believe it was a conspiracy.
It is so difficult in a country like the US to let an airplane fly so low in a place with so many skyscrappers around.
Everything seems so wrong in this story, in a country with so many security levels...

Now it seems like something that would never happen.

When it happened though, there had been no real safety features on a plane. The doors to the cockpit weren't locked, barely any screening at airports, no air marshals, no large scale intelligence at airports to be looking for this sort of behavior.

If we look at it from a lens of today, one that is pretty much relying on all of the intelligence we have today and the security features it's going to be hard for you to see it happening.

But it did happen, its' not a conspiracy theory. Two planes hit the WTC. One hit the pentagon, and another was going for the White House and it was taken over by the people on board.

What else is there to know about it?

What else? Here's what else.

The so-called terrorists that supposedly took over the planes >>> flunked flight school. Even if they could fly those planes a little, they couldn't have executed the complex turns that were necessary to target their objectives.

At best, the planes were controlled like drones. At worst, they never hit, and those pictures we see were gigantic holographs. The buildings were brought down by demolition, same as Building 7.

[Saltius]

Dude, not a third option?

I want to choose stupidity if there is.

Don't forget that it was the USA&China who helped those jihadists in Afghanistan in 1980s to fight USSR.
They just thought their enemy's enemy must be their friends at that time. How stupid it was.
And some of those jihadists formed the predecessor of Al-Qaeda which launched the 9/11 attacks later.

Besides, China didn't play better than USA either in this case. Its Xinjiang province next to Afghanistan has been under severe infiltration of radical islamists since 1980s. Now they have to use extreme or you could say inhuman methods such as re-education camps to brainwash the muslims (a ccp version brainwash vs islamic brainwash competiton) to correct their own mistakes.

[BADecker]

At absolute best, 9/11 was an inside job from the standpoint that elements inside the US Government and military knowingly and willingly ALLOWED it to happen.

[squatz1]

I believe it was a conspiracy.
It is so difficult in a country like the US to let an airplane fly so low in a place with so many skyscrappers around.
Everything seems so wrong in this story, in a country with so many security levels...

Now it seems like something that would never happen.

When it happened though, there had been no real safety features on a plane. The doors to the cockpit weren't locked, barely any screening at airports, no air marshals, no large scale intelligence at airports to be looking for this sort of behavior.

If we look at it from a lens of today, one that is pretty much relying on all of the intelligence we have today and the security features it's going to be hard for you to see it happening.

But it did happen, its' not a conspiracy theory. Two planes hit the WTC. One hit the pentagon, and another was going for the White House and it was taken over by the people on board.

What else is there to know about it?

A lot. I was an adult when it happened and witnessed the events unfold that day (on the news) as it happened. Even then there was no excuse for this to be possible. There is so much that is wrong with the official story, but the part no one can argue with is the laws of physics. Unfortunately according to the official story the laws of physics were broken multiple times that day.

Just so I know, and can potentially agree/refute what you're going to say next. What laws of physics were broken that day?

Dude, not a third option?

I want to choose stupidity if there is.

Don't forget that it was the USA&China who helped those jihadists in Afghanistan in 1980s to fight USSR.
They just thought their enemy's enemy must be their friends at that time. How stupid it was.
And some of those jihadists formed the predecessor of Al-Qaeda which launched the 9/11 attacks later.

Besides, China didn't play better than USA either in this case. Its Xinjiang province next to Afghanistan has been under severe infiltration of radical islamists since 1980s. Now they have to use extreme or you could say inhuman methods such as re-education camps to brainwash the muslims (a ccp version brainwash vs islamic brainwash competiton) to correct their own mistakes.

Obviously if you are to look at all of this now, it's BEYOND EASY to see why they shouldn't have been funding rebel groups in the middle east. But at the time, it looked like the most sensible option to stop the USSR. I don't see how someone can still attempt to use today's lens and information to attack a decision that was made when only a certain amount of information was available.

[TECSHARE]

I believe it was a conspiracy.
It is so difficult in a country like the US to let an airplane fly so low in a place with so many skyscrappers around.
Everything seems so wrong in this story, in a country with so many security levels...

Now it seems like something that would never happen.

When it happened though, there had been no real safety features on a plane. The doors to the cockpit weren't locked, barely any screening at airports, no air marshals, no large scale intelligence at airports to be looking for this sort of behavior.

If we look at it from a lens of today, one that is pretty much relying on all of the intelligence we have today and the security features it's going to be hard for you to see it happening.

But it did happen, its' not a conspiracy theory. Two planes hit the WTC. One hit the pentagon, and another was going for the White House and it was taken over by the people on board.

What else is there to know about it?

A lot. I was an adult when it happened and witnessed the events unfold that day (on the news) as it happened. Even then there was no excuse for this to be possible. There is so much that is wrong with the official story, but the part no one can argue with is the laws of physics. Unfortunately according to the official story the laws of physics were broken multiple times that day.

Just so I know, and can potentially agree/refute what you're going to say next. What laws of physics were broken that day?

I am not really in the mood to go into what will inevitably be a long drawn out and fruitless debate about information that has been available to the public for many years. The information is available if you can cast aside your confirmation bias and spend some time wading thru some peripheral bullshit. However just to get you started a few things...

- Free fall collapse speeds
- 4 ton girders ejected hundreds of feet laterally in every direction (see FEMA debris field report)
- Temperatures in excess of those achievable via jet fuel documented by infrared satellite
- Pulverization of the majority of the rubble to dust
- Fires including molten metal burning for over a month
- Aluminum/titanium planes punching through external steel girders and out the other side like a cartoon
 - Extremely short time periods for fire to cause "collapse" even in WTC 7 not hit by a plane
- All of the buildings falling directly downward through the path of most resistance into their own footprints
- Report claiming jet fuel was burned multiple times in the impact fireball, flooding down the elevator and exploding in the lobby, then melting the steel framework
- No steel framed high rise structure has EVER or since collapsed due to fire no matter how long it has burned, but it supposedly happened 3 times that day

There is so much more. I like to stick to physics because this is empirical data any individual can confirm for themselves while leaving minimal subjectivity. Please just spend some time reading about it, I likely will not engage in further discussion of it as I have already spent nearly 20 years explaining this to people and it gets old spoon feeding people who really don't want to hear it anyway.