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Question: Do you trade as well or just gamble?  (Voting closed: July 25, 2016, 03:11:52 AM)
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Both - 15 (44.1%)
Gamble More - 2 (5.9%)
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September 24, 2016, 04:36:29 AM
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Just curious since the last discussion I had was about gambling vs trading. I know trading can seem to be a bit of a gamble as well, but I see it a little bit like poker. It's a combination of math and psychology. Maybe not the same ratio though, just generalizing  Tongue
Im never considered that trading is a gambling also . But trading vs. gambling i will probably choose the trading even i can earn cents of bitcoin there and in gambling you could earn more profit there double or triple your bitcoin but not in the way of 100% of course there are chance that you could lose everything
That is an obvious answer for everyone, trading is more on the serious people who want to make money in the long term, gambling is just for fun and you cannot ensure you will make money because the odds always favors the house, they control the game while you are in control when trading.

gambling name is obvious: it is a game.

so you should treat it as a game too . not as an investment to make money and even if you treat it that way you have to test it first to realize that you were wrong before losing a lot of money.

the same goes with trading it is not easy, you should test that too at first to see if it can be profitable for you or not.
We y'all know that gambling is definitely a game , but there are some benefits that came into our life sometimes gambling for me is just a game of fun where i can make profit not daily nor weekly sometimes i get lost but sometimes i really win not that much at least i have a profit and stop playing i know my limits.
Good for you that you able to control your self  when playing gambling since most  of  gamblers or players on it  do became addict and  just  keep playing and playing   and  lossing  all their  money. Trading  and  Gambling  is  two different things even though they have the same  risk on lossing  up your money but in  gambling  you could  not guarantee yourself  to make  profits  in long run unlike in trading  that  you could  get profits when you trade in  smart way.

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September 24, 2016, 07:16:43 AM
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Just curious since the last discussion I had was about gambling vs trading. I know trading can seem to be a bit of a gamble as well, but I see it a little bit like poker. It's a combination of math and psychology. Maybe not the same ratio though, just generalizing  Tongue
Im never considered that trading is a gambling also . But trading vs. gambling i will probably choose the trading even i can earn cents of bitcoin there and in gambling you could earn more profit there double or triple your bitcoin but not in the way of 100% of course there are chance that you could lose everything
That is an obvious answer for everyone, trading is more on the serious people who want to make money in the long term, gambling is just for fun and you cannot ensure you will make money because the odds always favors the house, they control the game while you are in control when trading.

gambling name is obvious: it is a game.

so you should treat it as a game too . not as an investment to make money and even if you treat it that way you have to test it first to realize that you were wrong before losing a lot of money.

the same goes with trading it is not easy, you should test that too at first to see if it can be profitable for you or not.
We y'all know that gambling is definitely a game , but there are some benefits that came into our life sometimes gambling for me is just a game of fun where i can make profit not daily nor weekly sometimes i get lost but sometimes i really win not that much at least i have a profit and stop playing i know my limits.
Good for you that you able to control your self  when playing gambling since most  of  gamblers or players on it  do became addict and  just  keep playing and playing   and  lossing  all their  money. Trading  and  Gambling  is  two different things even though they have the same  risk on lossing  up your money but in  gambling  you could  not guarantee yourself  to make  profits  in long run unlike in trading  that  you could  get profits when you trade in  smart way.
There is no assurance we can make profit in both because we need skills to be able to earn, but if you are a serious person and wants to focus in making money online you should focus on your venture that will give you more chance to earn and that is trading IMO.

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October 24, 2016, 05:51:47 PM
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Just curious since the last discussion I had was about gambling vs trading. I know trading can seem to be a bit of a gamble as well, but I see it a little bit like poker. It's a combination of math and psychology. Maybe not the same ratio though, just generalizing  Tongue
Im never considered that trading is a gambling also . But trading vs. gambling i will probably choose the trading even i can earn cents of bitcoin there and in gambling you could earn more profit there double or triple your bitcoin but not in the way of 100% of course there are chance that you could lose everything
That is an obvious answer for everyone, trading is more on the serious people who want to make money in the long term, gambling is just for fun and you cannot ensure you will make money because the odds always favors the house, they control the game while you are in control when trading.

gambling name is obvious: it is a game.

so you should treat it as a game too . not as an investment to make money and even if you treat it that way you have to test it first to realize that you were wrong before losing a lot of money.

the same goes with trading it is not easy, you should test that too at first to see if it can be profitable for you or not.
We y'all know that gambling is definitely a game , but there are some benefits that came into our life sometimes gambling for me is just a game of fun where i can make profit not daily nor weekly sometimes i get lost but sometimes i really win not that much at least i have a profit and stop playing i know my limits.
Good for you that you able to control your self  when playing gambling since most  of  gamblers or players on it  do became addict and  just  keep playing and playing   and  lossing  all their  money. Trading  and  Gambling  is  two different things even though they have the same  risk on lossing  up your money but in  gambling  you could  not guarantee yourself  to make  profits  in long run unlike in trading  that  you could  get profits when you trade in  smart way.
There is no assurance we can make profit in both because we need skills to be able to earn, but if you are a serious person and wants to focus in making money online you should focus on your venture that will give you more chance to earn and that is trading IMO.

I agree with you mate that unless you develop a skill needed for both gambling and trading to win and have your 100% focus in learning and applying them, then you are good to go. However, if you have very important day job, better no focus on gambling and trading is ok. The reason is that, in trading you can be able to open buy or sell order at any time while in gambling, you will need to be right on betting unless, you are doing very risky autobetting.
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October 24, 2016, 06:06:24 PM
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trading and gambling is same high risk high return
but iam play both them, in gambling iam prefered betting sport
in trading iam play pair bitcoin fiat money in huobi and btce
and pair bitcoin altcoin in poloniex bitrex c-cex cryptopia and yobit
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October 24, 2016, 06:54:06 PM
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trading and gambling is same high risk high return
but iam play both them, in gambling iam prefered betting sport
in trading iam play pair bitcoin fiat money in huobi and btce
and pair bitcoin altcoin in poloniex bitrex c-cex cryptopia and yobit
Well, i think trading is not as riskier as gambling. trading is a lot safer and predictable(if you have the knowledge). if i'll be given a choice to choose between trading and gambling(to make money), i'll always go with trading.
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October 24, 2016, 07:05:34 PM
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trading and gambling is same high risk high return
but iam play both them, in gambling iam prefered betting sport
in trading iam play pair bitcoin fiat money in huobi and btce
and pair bitcoin altcoin in poloniex bitrex c-cex cryptopia and yobit
Well, i think trading is not as riskier as gambling. trading is a lot safer and predictable(if you have the knowledge). if i'll be given a choice to choose between trading and gambling(to make money), i'll always go with trading.

that is correct because in trading, you have somewhat more of control with your bankroll compared to gambling where everything is base on pure luck (except to few ones like poker and similar games that needs skills in order to win big) In trading, when you just teach your self how to properly trade and execute them, you will have greater chances of earning than losing that's like of gambling.
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October 24, 2016, 07:09:16 PM
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trading and gambling is same high risk high return
but iam play both them, in gambling iam prefered betting sport
in trading iam play pair bitcoin fiat money in huobi and btce
and pair bitcoin altcoin in poloniex bitrex c-cex cryptopia and yobit

I don't think they are the same as in all casino games you can't get over the house edge while in trading you can use your knowledge and skill to predict price changes. But sports betting also has room for decision making and skill so it's possible to be profitable from it over the long run.

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October 24, 2016, 07:17:11 PM
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trading and gambling is same high risk high return
but iam play both them, in gambling iam prefered betting sport
in trading iam play pair bitcoin fiat money in huobi and btce
and pair bitcoin altcoin in poloniex bitrex c-cex cryptopia and yobit

I don't think they are the same as in all casino games you can't get over the house edge while in trading you can use your knowledge and skill to predict price changes. But sports betting also has room for decision making and skill so it's possible to be profitable from it over the long run.
i like you point of view regarding to sports betting as we all knew how skills and knowledge really attached from it in order for us to win like trading we also needed that skills and knowledge so we can easily predict what movements can the trade go and we can place our entry to trace and ern from it.

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October 25, 2016, 02:24:04 AM
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trading and gambling is same high risk high return
but iam play both them, in gambling iam prefered betting sport
in trading iam play pair bitcoin fiat money in huobi and btce
and pair bitcoin altcoin in poloniex bitrex c-cex cryptopia and yobit

I don't think they are the same as in all casino games you can't get over the house edge while in trading you can use your knowledge and skill to predict price changes. But sports betting also has room for decision making and skill so it's possible to be profitable from it over the long run.
i like you point of view regarding to sports betting as we all knew how skills and knowledge really attached from it in order for us to win like trading we also needed that skills and knowledge so we can easily predict what movements can the trade go and we can place our entry to trace and ern from it.
In sports betting sports can be manipulated as well as in trade, so I guess they are all pretty the same which it comes to determining our chances of winning. The only difference their is the juice on your winnings in sports betting as it is way higher which is mostly 10% of your winning bets compared to just 0.01% of the trading fees you will fee when you are trading.

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October 25, 2016, 03:02:31 AM
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trading and gambling is same high risk high return
but iam play both them, in gambling iam prefered betting sport
in trading iam play pair bitcoin fiat money in huobi and btce
and pair bitcoin altcoin in poloniex bitrex c-cex cryptopia and yobit

I don't think they are the same as in all casino games you can't get over the house edge while in trading you can use your knowledge and skill to predict price changes. But sports betting also has room for decision making and skill so it's possible to be profitable from it over the long run.
i like you point of view regarding to sports betting as we all knew how skills and knowledge really attached from it in order for us to win like trading we also needed that skills and knowledge so we can easily predict what movements can the trade go and we can place our entry to trace and ern from it.
In sports betting sports can be manipulated as well as in trade, so I guess they are all pretty the same which it comes to determining our chances of winning. The only difference their is the juice on your winnings in sports betting as it is way higher which is mostly 10% of your winning bets compared to just 0.01% of the trading fees you will fee when you are trading.

i think is sport betting is very low manipulated
big match barcelona vs manchester city, not only one people can not manipulate and control result match
and anyone participates in manipulating result match will receive sanctions from UEFA
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October 25, 2016, 03:03:57 AM
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trading and gambling is same high risk high return
but iam play both them, in gambling iam prefered betting sport
in trading iam play pair bitcoin fiat money in huobi and btce
and pair bitcoin altcoin in poloniex bitrex c-cex cryptopia and yobit

I don't think they are the same as in all casino games you can't get over the house edge while in trading you can use your knowledge and skill to predict price changes. But sports betting also has room for decision making and skill so it's possible to be profitable from it over the long run.
i like you point of view regarding to sports betting as we all knew how skills and knowledge really attached from it in order for us to win like trading we also needed that skills and knowledge so we can easily predict what movements can the trade go and we can place our entry to trace and ern from it.
when talking about problem gambling and trading, of course I prefer trading. Well, you're right, that requires experience and ability to play the trading for you to win, but in the overall gambling, you will not be able to use the knowledge and the ability to win, especially if you're playing dice. Well, if you're gambling on sports betting like a ball, you might be able to win with a long time, but I feel that trading is still more profitable than in gambling

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October 25, 2016, 04:28:01 AM
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Trading is better than gambling because trading rely on skill so you can earn more and you can use it everyday, while gambling you rely on your luck and you won't be lucky everyday, and if you are not lucky in trading you don't lose all of your money
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November 07, 2016, 07:51:31 AM
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Trading is better than gambling because trading rely on skill so you can earn more and you can use it everyday, while gambling you rely on your luck and you won't be lucky everyday, and if you are not lucky in trading you don't lose all of your money

Trading will always be good for expert traders. They usually earn even the market goes up or down. However, for those newcomers in the game, it would be very hard but this is not to say that there is no hope - there will always a way to become a good and expert trader and that way is to learn, study, and trade regularly -you win or learn Wink
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November 07, 2016, 07:59:44 AM
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Trading is better than gambling because trading rely on skill so you can earn more and you can use it everyday, while gambling you rely on your luck and you won't be lucky everyday, and if you are not lucky in trading you don't lose all of your money

Trading will always be good for expert traders. They usually earn even the market goes up or down. However, for those newcomers in the game, it would be very hard but this is not to say that there is no hope - there will always a way to become a good and expert trader and that way is to learn, study, and trade regularly -you win or learn Wink

The only way to become a good trader or an expert trader is by doing trades. You cannot be an expert just by reading books or watching tutorials. You need to risk it first at your first few months, and once you get the hang of it, you will be earning better thru trading.
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November 10, 2016, 11:32:47 AM
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I think trading and gambling both is same. both have a risk and have a chance to win and get a profit, but I think to choose trade because trading more chance to win. I look sparse which win the gambling. it is my opinion if my opinion is wrong I say sorry.
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November 10, 2016, 04:02:09 PM
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I think trading and gambling both is same. both have a risk and have a chance to win and get a profit, but I think to choose trade because trading more chance to win. I look sparse which win the gambling. it is my opinion if my opinion is wrong I say sorry.
thank you.

They are just the same in terms of the risk that you may get upon doing both. But trading has lesser risk rather than with gambling and I think most of the traders do gamble because they can just easily take the risk lightly with their trades. And for those trader who are not playing gambling games doesn't want to risk the profit they took from trading.

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December 05, 2016, 01:08:50 PM
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I think trading and gambling both is same. both have a risk and have a chance to win and get a profit, but I think to choose trade because trading more chance to win. I look sparse which win the gambling. it is my opinion if my opinion is wrong I say sorry.
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They are just the same in terms of the risk that you may get upon doing both. But trading has lesser risk rather than with gambling and I think most of the traders do gamble because they can just easily take the risk lightly with their trades. And for those trader who are not playing gambling games doesn't want to risk the profit they took from trading.

Aside from trading has less risk than gambling, we tend to have more control on trading especially the amount of trades and up to certain limits after we finally decide what position we take based on our fundamental and technical analysis. In gambling, there is no such that.
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December 05, 2016, 03:50:11 PM
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I am not so sure that there's a high probability to make a profit from gambling it is just a 50/50 chance that you can earn from gambling but most of the time losing is the only outcome. in trading maybe it can profitable but only for those who already has a knowledge about it also skill is a must in order for us to not having a hard time while we are dealing with it whether it is alt coin trading or only bitcoin trading. but still i will much prefer trading that gambling.
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December 05, 2016, 03:54:02 PM
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I think trading and gambling both is same. both have a risk and have a chance to win and get a profit, but I think to choose trade because trading more chance to win. I look sparse which win the gambling. it is my opinion if my opinion is wrong I say sorry.
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yes its true but gambling have high risk than trading and in trading we don't loss all like in gambling, its only change the form into other form but in gambling, once we loss from the games, then our money is really gone and maybe could not come back like before.

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December 05, 2016, 03:57:35 PM
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Trading is better than gambling because trading rely on skill so you can earn more and you can use it everyday, while gambling you rely on your luck and you won't be lucky everyday, and if you are not lucky in trading you don't lose all of your money

Exactly, because of making money is easy in trading than gambling. But many gamblers like gambling, and all traders like trading, So it is a different between each other, also it depend on our choice. But in trading and gambling both are risky to making money, it is not a easy way to earning wise. But enjoyment wise gambling is good, otherwise in trading we need experienced man.
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