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I would like to preface this post by noting that Outbuilt does not currently have an account on this forum- this post is intended to be a warning for any current and future players of Bitcrash.cc, many of whom may be forum members.

The fraudulent crash site is becoming an increasingly popular scam MO. The scammer will pirate bustabit v1 code or use the open-source version. They will then put up a rudimentary website with an inflated bankroll. If players deposit and lose, great! If a player wins, they will simply refuse to pay and will take down the site (since the bankroll is fake anyway). This is roughly what happened with this project, in my opinion.

It's also important to note that the scammer Oubuilt isn't only a scammer- he is also extremely incompetent. This will reflect in much of what he says. Unlike the other scammers I've encountered, he has no idea what he's doing and is far out of his depth.

Since I was there during the event, I have a pretty good idea of exactly what happened- however, it is fair to say that 'concrete' evidence does not exist for the latter half. Therefore, I shall structure this post in two sections- one containing purely objective facts, and the other containing what I think happened. You can review this and make the decision yourself.

Objective facts

  • Outbuilt did not know that bustabit v1 had a forced cashout feature and thought it was a bug. As you may know, bustabit v1 code contains a feature where if a single player in the round hits the maximum profit, all other players in the round are cashed out as well. A whale on the site was making a max bet and was forcing the round to crash early (a feature of the site, not a bug). Initially, Outbuilt used this as proof that the player was 'hacking'.
  • Bitcrash's maximum bet was incorrectly coded, indicating gross negligence. In fact, at one point, the maximum profit even went negative, showing just how much thought went into coding the website- close to zero.
  • The moment a player began winning, Outbuilt panicked and took down the website. Outbuilt claimed that the player was hacking because at that point he had won a large sum of money (approximately 1 BTC), but winning that much by betting the maximum possible amount is extremely easy and doesn't indicate a hack at all.
  • Outbuilt then began lying about the player and his statistics. For example, he claimed that the player started with 2 bits (which 'proved' he was hacking), when in fact, the player was down 0.3 BTC not too long ago. Funnily enough, Outbuilt also bragged about how the player was down just a few hours before he began winning.
  • Outbuilt lied about not having user passwords. When I accused him of having access to the winning player's account, he claimed (over four times) that he would be unable to access any player's account. Yes, you read that right- he said he didn't have the passwords of users on his own website.
  • Outbuilt lied about the source of the site's development. At first, he claimed that he was the site's sole developer, but a few hours down the road, he claimed that he 'hired' someone.
  • After the incident, Outbuilt deleted all messages from the bustabit Discord chat and deleted his own Discord server. The website is still down and multiple players haven't received their withdrawals, including Elifeur who withdrew 0.125 BTC and the original big winner, Dajjal, who is presumed to have upwards of 1 BTC locked on the site.

Here's my opinion (ie. what I think happened)...

If you are only interested in pure objective facts, feel free to disregard this entire section.

The user who was winning (Dajjal) had been playing for a day or two, and was down quite a lot. He hadn't spoken much in the site chat, but when he did, it was in fragmented English. After Dajjal began winning, Outbuilt claimed he was hacking and proceeded to 'lock' his account. I was sure that Dajjal wasn't hacking, since Outbuilt's only evidence was 'he won a lot' and 'look at his graph'. FWIW, hitting a hundred 1.01x bets in a row is not improbable at all. I've personally done it multiple times. Now, after I explain why I think Dajjal wasn't hacking, 'Dajjal' comes back online and begans speaking in perfect English. He starts bragging about how he hacked the site and how he will withdraw more (even though his account is supposedly locked!) His English is suddenly good, and he even uses a very distinctive "xDDD" chat emote which Outbuilt frequently used in the Discord.

Now, it's pretty obvious to me that Outbuilt locked the real Dajjal out of his account, logged into the account, and began spamming hax0r stuff in the chat. Of course, I call Outbuilt out for doing this. Now for my favourite part- Outbuilt claims that he has no access to user passwords on his own site and thus couldn't possibly be logged into Dajjal's account. This is a blatant (and provable) lie, since if a website doesn't have user passwords, then nobody would be able to login to said website.

Of course, Outbuilt began making up a series of very amusing lies to cover up all of this. He was called out multiple times by several users in the community and most of what he said was proven to be false. In the end, he deleted all of his messages and deleted his entire Discord server.

So, here's a short summary of what I think happened. Someone starts winning big on Bitcrash, and since Outbuilt doesn't have the funds to back it up, he chooses to lock the user's account and take it over. The real Dajjal has been scammed approximately 1 BTC. There are also a few other users who are yet to receive withdrawals. Instead of taking the L (like an honest casino owner would), Outbuilt decides to first try to desperately cover up his lies, and once exposed, he decides to pull the plug on the whole thing. In total, Outbuilt has scammed upwards of 1.125 BTC, has provably lied multiple times, and has displayed a scary (and frankly, pathetic) level of incompetence.

From all of this, it is abundantly evident that Outbuilt is a scammer and Bitcrash.cc is a scam project. If he or his site ever happens to remerge, you all know what to do (or rather, what not to do). Outbuilt will likely be back with Bitcrash v2 (and/or a different site under a different name). Don't play that shit. Go to bustabit instead /endrant

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My side on what I saw that resulted in these actions/behavior

About a few days ago a player was spotted on bitcrash.cc by the name of "Dajjal", he was gambling very low bits as he grew it by cheating in the game. He knew all the crashes and tried making it look like he didn't by going down but then going back up real high. When I said "Goodnight" in the chat this user used this time to completely rob the hot wallet. Not sure if it was a mistake on his end with getting the right crashes or cause I was in the chat and he was trying to not make it noticeable. After the user got about 100k bits, he started gambling all in causing the max profit to go off crashing the game at 1.04x OVER AND OVER for EVERY player https://i.imgur.com/aHLFgoo.gif. Before the user stole all this money from me rapegl/elifeur deposited his money and was playing. The same night the user took out all of the hot wallets balance including my invested money and Elifeur's causing the hot wallet to go empty as Elifeur tried withdrawing his earnings and got a message saying the wallet responded empty. This indicates that you are lying about multiple things, you have no proof whatsoever and the only proof you had you didn't even include my next message which corrected my cause as I thought you had a different meaning cause you didn't want to get exposed as this image was one of the only proofs you have to describe your opinionated scam report. The maximum profit did go negative as the code was very buggy similar to above on how it was stopping everyone at 1.04x and how there was only "spare change" left in the hot wallet after the user tried withdrawing even more causing them all to go into pending as there wasn't enough in the hot wallet. He gained about 1,000,000 bits through this glitch by the time I caught on and decided to record this user to expose him https://i.imgur.com/BRPcKd3.png. Keep in mind this was his second round of trying to cashout which resulted in all of his bits being put on hold cause he already screwed the hot wallet before -2 btc. Yes, I did panic and take down the server for maintenance as the leader-board, the messages he was sending, and the hot wallet balance proved. I'm pretty sure any owner of a casino would do this to ensure the trustworthiness of the site as you don't want to make it seem like the site is broken in front of other players. I didn't brag about the user losing, I was just joking around exactly the same way "bragged" when a user lost a lot on your bot saying https://i.imgur.com/XtVocSc.png does this mean that you are scamming users the same way you falsely claim this about me with the proof of one inevitable picture?

You said I was lying about having other users password when your proof indicates me asking a question? again... making it another proof that is deemed untrustworthy and incredible towards this report here is the full conversation - https://i.imgur.com/3rRDXkG.png. You said I was hacking into the users account with no proof pulling random shit out of your ass and believing in your own lies. As far as me lying about if i'm the sole developer or if I hired, I only got another user to help me setup bitcoind, hence I am still the sole dev as I built it and got the Bustabit code running, even if I was to hire I don't see how this would change your opinionated scam report. After this incident I was testing my selfbot and was forced to delete my messages ONCE AGAIN as you couldn't defend yourself and your opinions so you wanted to get me banned off discord cause I was using a selbot as this is a very childish act https://i.imgur.com/V28uA6O.png. Now I'm not going to respond to the bottom half as the top is a blatant copy of your opinions, just going to have the community believe what they want to believe from you.

You also said that it was very clear that I hacked his account, If I would've why would I be so stupid to admit that I'm in his account and that my site is a scam, he was mocking you and me as he ran away with 2 btc, it looks like you don't understand simple commonsense;

https://i.imgur.com/i9GtIq0.png


I believe this is an attempt on your behalf to try and bash me and my site as you are about to release a project of yours and don't want to have competition, here is an image of proof after I deleted my messages this occured when I was asking about how I could invest into marketing my site and this was your answer - https://i.imgur.com/WG19kb6.png

This leads to me thinking that you are delusional and a scammer as the top of this thread warns everyone to deem you untrustworthy and to deal with caution. You have no proof whatsoever of any of these, they are all text and you have turned 1 message into a whole opinionated scam report.

Extra proof:

Source used:
https://github.com/Dexon95/Bustabit

Hash generation:

Code:
var offset = 1e6;

var games = 1e6;  // You might want to make this 10M for a prod setting..
var game = games;
var serverSeed = 'bustabitv2';

You can go check this by checking this game and hash

https://i.imgur.com/dX69Vjp.png
Code:
Hash: 1544ee51c3fbe3cd99e3e90522b92f86387d8014caa2da3149743208c8809c5c
Game: 1022214

Proof of withdrawal:
Looks like the user withdrew to his external address and sent to his main wallet to try to hide his identity especially after being on an OVH RDP/VPS to hide his IP.

https://bitref.com/3N9p1BhUCAZnjCqbSdeCjrP8QMDG5oHg9t
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April 12, 2020, 09:12:15 AM
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Thanks for the reply! Archived in case you edit or delete it.


The maximum profit did go negative as the code was very buggy

For starters, nobody should even consider looking at your website simply for this remark. Releasing a buggy site... That handles players' money? Seriously?

he was gambling very low bits as he grew it by cheating in the game.

This is false. You claimed in the Discord that the user started with '2 bits', however, multiple players saw Dajjal down well over 0.2 BTC, including Elifeur, the owner of busts.io and fellow victim. In fact, you corroborated this yourself.

The same night the user took out all of the hot wallets balance including my invested money and Elifeur's causing the hot wallet to go empty as Elifeur tried withdrawing his earnings and got a message saying the wallet responded empty.

This is false. You have changed your story. Here is proof of you admitting otherwise. You announced publicly that Dajjal's withdrawals were put under manual review and were not processed. A few hours later, you make up a new story- that he withdrew 2 BTC, which is why Elifeur was unable to withdrew. You also deleted the server and your initial messages in order to cover this up.

Yes, I did panic and take down the server for maintenance

This is not justifiable in any capacity. If someone wins a lot, you don't instantly take down the game server- at least, not without a proper explanation to both the player and the rest of your user base.


I didn't brag about the user losing, I was just joking around exactly the same way "bragged" when a user lost a lot on your bot saying https://i.imgur.com/XtVocSc.png does this mean that you are scamming users the same way you falsely claim this about me with the proof of one inevitable picture?

Bragging about a player losing is a total dick move, but it doesn't make you a scammer. The only reason that was brought up was because you claimed that Dajjal started with 2 bits- however, you bragging about him losing money on your site proves that he didn't start with very little and that he deposited his own money. As mentioned before, me and several others witnessed Dajjal being down heavily on the site.


You said I was lying about having other users password when your proof indicates me asking a question?

You claimed multiple times that you didn't have user passwords. Perchlorate, the owner of EtherCrash, was a witness to this. Do you want to deny it? I have the whole thing screenrecorded; feel free to ask me for shots. You'll just expose yourself even further.

After this incident I was testing my selfbot and was forced to delete my messages ONCE AGAIN

Pretty interesting how you decided to test out your message deleting bot in the one place where multiple prominent community members outed you as a scammer and where you posted multiple lies. Weird coincidence, I guess.

Now I'm not going to respond to the bottom half as the top is a blatant copy of your opinions, just going to have the community believe what they want to believe from you.

Feel free to disprove a single thing mentioned in the first section of my post. One single thing.



Quite interesting how Dajjal managed to withdraw 2 BTC from a hot wallet which didn't contain 0.125 BTC. Also interesting how withdrawals that you claimed were under 'manual review' went through. Also interesting how Dajjal only won about 1 BTC but managed to withdraw 2 BTC (indicating that he deposited at least 1 BTC of his own money, which goes against your initial claims).

Your lies are falling apart.

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For starters, nobody should even consider looking at your website simply for this remark. Releasing a buggy site... That handles players' money? Seriously?

V1 of bustabit was laggy and full of bugs as even Ryan claimed hence why it was open sourced and why there is another V1 source being sent to the ones buying a license, there's no problem here bitcrash v2 will have all of these bugs patched.

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This is false. You claimed in the Discord that the user started with '2 bits', however, multiple players saw Dajjal down well over 0.2 BTC, including Elifeur, the owner of busts.io and fellow victim. In fact, you corroborated this yourself.

Yes, the user started with 2 bits, however a couple days after the the site was released the plv8 extension in the database wasn't working, this made the leaderboard not work and messed up all players statistics unless you signed up and played after the extension was fixed, this caused old players to have a negative games played and negative other variables for some reason. I was forking money over to gradually get it fixed as well as get a bot running but then the user stole the sites funds

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This is false. You have changed your story. Here is proof of you admitting otherwise. You announced publicly that Dajjal's withdrawals were put under manual review and were not processed. A few hours later, you make up a new story- that he withdrew 2 BTC, which is why Elifeur was unable to withdrew. You also deleted the server and your initial messages in order to cover this up.

It looks like you don't have the timestamps right, Dajjal cashed out before Elifeur did taking a mixture of Eli's 0.125 btc and the sites bankroll money. There was never any inflation, there was money in the hot wallet and I have plenty of users who cashed out and played that can verify this.

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This is not justifiable in any capacity. If someone wins a lot, you don't instantly take down the game server- at least, not without a proper explanation to both the player and the rest of your user base.

You still don't understand, it sounds like you either have the brain a size of a pea or just trying to distract us from all the accusations I made towards you WITH PROOF proving all your statements wrong. The player was cheating, other users confirmed it. You even put a bit in while he kept hitting max profit and saw that the site kept auto cashing 1.04 - 1.03 - 1.02 until the max profit went negative. All players were auto cashing out with him as it's a feature of bustabit v1, proper explanation was given in the discord screenshot you posted?

Your lies are falling apart...

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Bragging about a player losing is a total dick move, but it doesn't make you a scammer. The only reason that was brought up was because you claimed that Dajjal started with 2 bits- however, you bragging about him losing money on your site proves that he didn't start with very little and that he deposited his own money. As mentioned before, me and several others witnessed Dajjal being down heavily on the site.

Yeah, lets have a player on your site start with 2 bits and take it to 1,000,000 by cheating and making it unfair for other players. Just like you were happy when I lost all my BTC on your flashflip bot you would've felt the same as me if this user lost. You would've done thorough investigation, asked other players, get witnesses, go into the chat and try to find out who this person is, inform users the site is going down for maintenance as there is a bug causing someone to steal all the hot wallets money - exactly what I did and any other casino admin would do.

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You claimed multiple times that you didn't have user passwords. Perchlorate, the owner of EtherCrash, was a witness to this. Do you want to deny it? I have the whole thing screenrecorded; feel free to ask me for shots. You'll just expose yourself even further.

I claimed that I didn't have the user passwords ONCE in your dm's (full convo screenshot up in thread) cause I thought you meant in plaintext as you said that I hacked his account meaning that I would need his password to login to his account, a hashed password won't help which is why i said this. When did I deny it.. oh lord you are full of bullshit. Do you know how to read? by the way please show me how I claimed this multiple times.

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Pretty interesting how you decided to test out your message deleting bot in the one place where multiple prominent community members outed you as a scammer and where you posted multiple lies. Weird coincidence, I guess.

As I said I was testing my selbot until you came and tried saying how you're going to report me as it's against discord tos, I was then forced to nuke all my messages, so when you report it there are no message links to report. I simply don't care, you claimed multiple times you recorded the chat before, even if my intentions were to hide messages of me arguing with an immature man it would've been too late, looks like you are trying to find every little thing to throw at me with no proof to try and cover up the information that you don't have.

https://i.imgur.com/V28uA6O.png

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Feel free to disprove a single thing mentioned in the first section of my post. One single thing.

What?, again more proof that you can't read, I said I'm not going to respond to the bottom half as it's all false opinionated information like the top part what a coincidence! oh boy you're slow.

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Quite interesting how Dajjal managed to withdraw 2 BTC from a hot wallet which didn't contain 0.125 BTC. Also interesting how withdrawals that you claimed were under 'manual review' went through. Also interesting how Dajjal only won about 1 BTC but managed to withdraw 2 BTC (indicating that he deposited at least 1 BTC of his own money, which goes against your initial claims).

Again, your small brain doesn't have the functionality of keeping track of time/timestamps

I stated the same thing in my first post!
Do you get it???

Dajjal withdrew before Eli, Dajjal emptied the hot wallet, Eli tried cashing out and it said the funds were not available, Dajjal played the whole night taking his left over un withdrawed balance and getting it back up to 1,000,000 using the max profit glitch and his knowledge of the hashes this is when I claimed he was cheating, I recorded him, got proof from other players, made an announcement for any users to DM me to get bits out or wait for it to be back up and took down the site to put under maintenance as this bug was very dangerous to the well being of the players money and the site. The only funds that were put under manual review was when he tried withdrawing again and no money was left, I looked at the recent fundings table and saw all of them weren't processed carelessly making this announcement till I saw a completed transaction all the way on the top of all these pending withdrawals. I even supplied proof of the players wallet and txid, I don't get what else you need to verify that, you're still making all of these statements with no proof. You're the one calling me a scammer and should be accountable for all proofs for every statement made. Please try to bash my services again, if anyone is a scammer you are as it is believed to be appointed with proof. Do I have the scammer deal with caution banner over any of my threads like you? Nope, so please show us how we can trust a scammer trying to accuse someone else of a scammer.

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April 16, 2020, 02:36:12 AM
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Ah, okay. Dajjal was never down on the site, it was just a database bug. Tooootally.

This is just utterly pathetic. Your project and your (frankly, terrible) scamming tactics have been noticed and condemned by multiple upstanding members of the gambling community including the co-owner of EtherCrash, myself, Cyborg, and numerous others. Good luck with your next scam! I'll be watching.

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Out of curiosity how exactly did the user Dajjal know the hashes ? I'm assuming you're not handing it out left and right ,  game hashes are literally the most important "secret" to be kept by any casino , so how did he get a hold of them ?



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Out of curiosity how exactly did the user Dajjal know the hashes ? I'm assuming you're not handing it out left and right ,  game hashes are literally the most important "secret" to be kept by any casino , so how did he get a hold of them ?




His initial claim was that he directly ported v1 code from Github into the site server (despite a 'month' of work). If this were true, then the hack would be plausible. However, it was quickly debunked after the hashes didn't match the site. He next claimed that he set the server seed to be 'bustabitv2'. We were also unable to match the hashes to the ones generated by this server seed- however, regardless, I'm sure nobody is sitting around guessing server seeds and generating hashes for a 2 day old website. It's all a lie. Nobody had any hashes. The player won fair and square and got scammed outright.

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