WikiLeaks publishes "biggest ever leak of secret CIA documents"

[GreenBits]

I really don't get the surprise or outrage at this. Fuck yes, I want the CIA to be able to do all the shit in this document, and more. I want them to be able to see through fucking walls, to be honest. Y'all don't get this privacy shit, so let me break it down.

YOU ARENT THAT FUCKING IMPORTANT. The government is not trying to spy on regular people. There are more people than analysts, exponentially so. there is no way they have the time or resources to listen in on individual citizens in a meaningful way, because there is a whole nations worth of communications to sort through, every 24 hours. If you feel some kind of way about 'radical Islamic terrorism', then why would you feel some kind of way about our government having the tools to catch said terrorist?

So unless you are:

A international drug dealer
A self radicalized crazy head
A spy
President Trump

you really aren't cool enough for the government to be spending money to watch you look at interracial porn and read the forum.

This is was not a win for the common guy. Far from it. This is a huge blow to our national security, in the face of growing conflict with multiple nations. And the timing is suspect, giving the growing scrutiny on the intelligence community after Trump's seemingly erroneous accusations.

You may have a mild point in some respects if there were any indication that the CIA has ever worked for 'Americans' at all.  Everything I can see is that the focus of many, if not most, of their projects are done for the benefit of a handful of wealthy elites and the entities which are important to this class.  Mostly corporations and 'foundations.'  As these entities become more 'multi-national' and 'globalist' the arguments that the CIA somehow benefits most Americans vanishes still farther.  The term 'help' means different things to different people.  Some red-blooded American social engineers find it very helpful to have a lot of heroin available in inner cities for instance.  Or to have an 'ISIL' at all.

As for these tools, they might help catch a pedo ring, but then they have to let the creeps off scott-free else they lose their electronic toys.  I would suggest that spending resources on old-school gumshoe techniques would be a lot more 'helpful' to Joe Sixpack (and his kids) than these tools.

Nextly, any genuine threat is not going to be ignorant about device security.  If anything such a target will turn these tools back on the CIA which is modestly easy to do given the nature of data processing.

You did hit the nail on the head in pointing out that the tools are great for making sure that your sponsors remain in power and their opponents don't have a chance.  That is exactly what I figured would happen.  I remain amazed that Trump pulled it off in spite of everything stacked against him.  Including significant parts of the CIA.  (Other parts, or former parts, may have helped him significantly however.)

(I would clarify that certain elements of the CIA do seem to do a valuable job and do it reasonably well, but I'm far from certain that they even constitute a majority of the operation.  Most CIA workers themselves probably don't even know, and curiosity about this is probably not at all welcome.  That suspicion comes from my experience in large organizations in the private sector which are compartmentalized by accident as much as by design.)

Why would the United States government need a sponsor again? For money?
And why would the CIA have an issue with Trump? He's a perfectly normal, law abiding citizen, no? So easy for the 'deep state' to kill him before he got into office, with all the 'liberal tears' that were shed. Yet he's still breathing, and racking up one of the most impressive disapproval ratings in the history of the office.

Yeah, big brother and such.

I used to believe in the Illuminati. Then I realized that people are assholes, and if you get enough evil assholes in a room trying to rule the world, suddenly, it isn't so easy to agree on who gets China and who gets Sweden.



You are describing a monolithic evil, in a government with multiple political platforms.

If you ascribe to this philosophy, think about the motivations of the actors you accuse. Money is the motivator, correct? Why would the United States government want to remove any tax paying constituents? They pay the bills, provide the organs, are slavesnto the elite, whatever your kink is. But for one of the most funded organizations in the actual Planet Earth, so funded we don't even actually know how many funds they get (black budget), so powerful that we can kill foreign heads of state with impunity, well, why would that behemoth be in bed with mere mortals?

You are confusing the intelligence community with Congress. The House and Senate are the star fuckers. They need sponsors to pay their bills. Pretty sure we would just inflate the money supply instead of losing operational security by accepting donor funds.

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[Barbarian]

Anyone who doesn't expect Them to have the capability to help themselves your smartphone, tv, computer etc is a bleedin' moron.

Of course they'll be able to do that. If you don't like it then junk it all and go retro. Even if the CIA isn't listening to you, the manufacturers themselves clearly state that they'll monitor all the things you get up to.

Then I suppose I will have to go retro, he he he, instead of an ipod I will use a Walkman and I will use of those old phones that could be used to call someone, as a brick and as a deadly weapon.

[mindrust]

Support open source software guys. When you purchase an app, you should be able to see what's inside. You should be able to examine how it works.

When you purchase a TV or a car, you can disassemble it and see the inside components.

If those those sneaky bastards don't wanna share their code, then it must be malicious.

[Xester]

WikiLeaks publishes "biggest ever leak of secret CIA documents"

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/mar/07/wikileaks-publishes-biggest-ever-leak-of-secret-cia-documents-hacking-surveillance

The 8,761 documents published by WikiLeaks focus mainly on techniques for hacking and surveillance

The US intelligence agencies are facing fresh embarrassment after WikiLeaks published what it described as the biggest ever leak of confidential documents from the CIA detailing the tools it uses to break into phones, communication apps and other electronic devices. Thousands of documents focus mainly on techniques for hacking, including how the CIA cooperated with British intelligence to engineer a way to compromise smart televisions and turn them into improvised surveillance devices.

The leak, dubbed "Vault 7" by WikiLeaks, will once again raise questions about the inability of US spy agencies to protect secret documents in the digital age. It follows disclosures about Afghanistan and Iraq by army intelligence specialist Chelsea Manning in 2010 and about the National Security Agency and Britain's GCHQ by Edward Snowden in 2013.

The documents appear to be from the CIA's 200-strong Center for Cyber Intelligence and show in detail how the agency's digital specialists engage in hacking. According to the documents:

- CIA hackers targeted smartphones and computers.
- The Center for Cyber Intelligence is based at the CIA headquarters in Virginia but it has a second covert base in the US consulate in Frankfurt which covers Europe, the Middle East and Africa.
- A programme called Weeping Angel describes how to attack a Samsung F8000 TV set so that it appears to be off but can still be used for monitoring.

The CIA declined to comment on the leaks beyond the agency’s now-stock refusal to verify their contents. "We do not comment on the authenticity or content of purported intelligence documents", wrote CIA spokesperson Heather Fritz Horniak. But it is understood the documents are genuine and a hunt is under way for the leakers or hackers responsible for the leak.

Source: The Guardian

I dont believe on the statement of the CIA. They have the ability, capacity, technology and resources to do this kind of things. But we dont need to be worried about his kind of things as long as we dont have done anything that attracts the attention of the CIA to spy on us. But the worrisome  thing about it is when those operators of the CIA gone rogue and use this kind of spy technology against the state and the public.

[DeanShow]

Anyone who doesn't expect Them to have the capability to help themselves your smartphone, tv, computer etc is a bleedin' moron.

Of course they'll be able to do that. If you don't like it then junk it all and go retro. Even if the CIA isn't listening to you, the manufacturers themselves clearly state that they'll monitor all the things you get up to.

Then I suppose I will have to go retro, he he he, instead of an ipod I will use a Walkman and I will use of those old phones that could be used to call someone, as a brick and as a deadly weapon.

Any phone can be tracked. Even a brick. Just you should not say on the phone something you might have to compromise. On the other hand don't do anything illegal and you won't be interesting for the CIA.

[freedomno1]

The backdoor's were implied the question is what the CIA was using and is using now.

Phones running on Android or Apple makes it easy for the CIA to hack anyone as long as they all have the same bare-bones, regardless of the phone model you can only put so much security into a phone, and if they really wanted they would ping the tower or find an App you use and trick it to update with a backdoor inside telling the phone it has new update but from a fake update edition.

That said it's simpler to pay to keep backdoors open instead of building whole fake operating systems by using the budget to buy a company and install and have a secret backdoor.
https://twitter.com/Snowden/status/839168025517522944/photo/1

The encryption of app's does make some things unreadable by the looks of the leak but I wonder if they are working on that by extracting from ram/rom at the time of conversion, or reading from the SD card.

We will need to worry about the whole concept of security in The Internet of Things, if one item is compromised basically your boned even if the phone is safe, they can have the TV listening in, or a Windows 10 backdoor listening in on microphone or silent cam. If you have a smart car they can get inside and turn off your brakes ...
Only way to mess with that is if the circuitry is manually changed and you know circuitry and disable the right circuit on the machine without messing your car brakes.

Or go back to Vacuum Tubes for TV's, Special OS for PC and Phone, rewiring a modern car to be non-electronic replacing them with mechanical parts or buying an old car etc.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattdrange/2017/03/07/no-encrypted-messaging-apps-are-not-broken-but-document-dump-shows-ios-and-android-are-vulnerable/#ea6e4e940a56

https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/cms/page_20251107.html
Kind of want some of those apps if I forget a password (lol) Sandworm long patched

If I were to request a leak it would be in the development and progress countries have made to make Big Data tangible such as Citizen Scores and how that is coming along.
Seeing how Karma Police is a real thing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karma_Police_(surveillance_program)

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/06/big-data-cambridge-analytica-democracy
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/will-democracy-survive-big-data-and-artificial-intelligence/

[frankbit]

Why everybody is talking about the CIA? Do you think that these hackers are not in Russia or Israel? In many countries of the world can be such a program. How Wikileaks got this data? I'm sure that the CIA wasn't giving them information.

[BorisVanWhiskey]

The shameful thing is that individuals who do that spying imagine that they have the right to do it but others don't.

Most people say privacy is a basic right of civilized society, but you have some scoundrels who are drunk on a high paying job and fantasize that their superior government job or some other fiction gives them extraordinary rights.

The root cause is hiring too many people to do too little work. If you hire 10,000 people to do a job that requires only 5 people the extra workers will get into mischief. It's why police officers rape and steal, government police spy and also why our foods are filled with additives and chemicals  Stupid people who don't know how stupid they are trying to force their stupidity on others.

[RJX]

- A programme called Weeping Angel describes how to attack a Samsung F8000 TV set so that it appears to be off but can still be used for monitoring.

I still believe it was my aunt Sally's ghost that hacked into my refridgerator when the icecubes started flying everywhere scaring away my cat and my, now ex-, girlfriend.

 

[cryptonia]

I really don't get the surprise or outrage at this. Fuck yes, I want the CIA to be able to do all the shit in this document, and more. I want them to be able to see through fucking walls, to be honest. Y'all don't get this privacy shit, so let me break it down.

YOU ARENT THAT FUCKING IMPORTANT. The government is not trying to spy on regular people. There are more people than analysts, exponentially so. there is no way they have the time or resources to listen in on individual citizens in a meaningful way, because there is a whole nations worth of communications to sort through, every 24 hours. If you feel some kind of way about 'radical Islamic terrorism', then why would you feel some kind of way about our government having the tools to catch said terrorist?

So unless you are:

A international drug dealer
A self radicalized crazy head
A spy
President Trump

you really aren't cool enough for the government to be spending money to watch you look at interracial porn and read the forum.

This is was not a win for the common guy. Far from it. This is a huge blow to our national security, in the face of growing conflict with multiple nations. And the timing is suspect, giving the growing scrutiny on the intelligence community after Trump's seemingly erroneous accusations.

Unfortunately if you weren't a jew or a communist or homosexual in Germany in the 1930's you had nothing to worry about either.
Human history is littered with examples of those in power doing very bad things to innocent people.


https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Martin_Niem%C3%B6ller

[TheIrishman]

WikiLeaks says it will help Silicon Valley defend against CIA hacking

http://www.latimes.com/business/technology/la-fi-tn-wikileaks-cia-20170309-story.html

WikiLeaks will work with technology companies to help defend them against the CIA's hacking tools, WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange said Thursday. The approach sets up a potential conflict between Silicon Valley firms eager to protect their products and an agency stung by the radical transparency group's disclosures. In an online news conference, Assange acknowledged that some companies had asked for more details about the CIA cyberespionage toolkit whose existence he purportedly revealed in a massive leak published Tuesday.

"We have decided to work with them, to give them some exclusive access to some of the technical details we have, so that fixes can be pushed out", Assange said. Once tech firms had patched their products, he said, he would release the full data of the hacking tools to the public. Assange said some of the small fixes could be issued by tech companies "potentially in two to three days", but problems that affected more critical aspects of computer codes, such as those in televisions or phones, could take a lot longer.

So far, the CIA has declined to comment directly on the authenticity of the leaked documents. On Thursday a CIA spokesman said Assange "is not exactly a bastion of truth and integrity", but he reiterated an agency statement issued Wednesday that suggested the release had equipped adversaries "with tools and information to do us harm". Assange began his news conference with a dig at the agency for losing control of its cyberespionage arsenal, saying that all the data had been kept in one place. "This is a historic act of devastating incompetence", he said, adding: "WikiLeaks discovered the material as a result of it being passed around".

Assange said the technology was nearly impossible to keep under wraps - or under control. "There's absolutely nothing to stop a random CIA officer or even a contractor from using the technology", Assange said. "The technology is designed to be unaccountable, untraceable; it's designed to remove traces of its activity". On Tuesday, after WikiLeaks posted the documents, public advocacy groups raised questions about whether the CIA was doing enough to tell technology companies about vulnerabilities in their products.

Source: LA Times

[GreenBits]

I really don't get the surprise or outrage at this. Fuck yes, I want the CIA to be able to do all the shit in this document, and more. I want them to be able to see through fucking walls, to be honest. Y'all don't get this privacy shit, so let me break it down.

YOU ARENT THAT FUCKING IMPORTANT. The government is not trying to spy on regular people. There are more people than analysts, exponentially so. there is no way they have the time or resources to listen in on individual citizens in a meaningful way, because there is a whole nations worth of communications to sort through, every 24 hours. If you feel some kind of way about 'radical Islamic terrorism', then why would you feel some kind of way about our government having the tools to catch said terrorist?

So unless you are:

A international drug dealer
A self radicalized crazy head
A spy
President Trump

you really aren't cool enough for the government to be spending money to watch you look at interracial porn and read the forum.

This is was not a win for the common guy. Far from it. This is a huge blow to our national security, in the face of growing conflict with multiple nations. And the timing is suspect, giving the growing scrutiny on the intelligence community after Trump's seemingly erroneous accusations.

Unfortunately if you weren't a jew or a communist or homosexual in Germany in the 1930's you had nothing to worry about either.
Human history is littered with examples of those in power doing very bad things to innocent people.


https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Martin_Niem%C3%B6ller

While I agree with your conjecture, we must also agree that the political climate and state of militarization is no where near that of Nazi Germany. It was known and expected, that "undesirables" were under enhanced scrutiny. They were being actively rounded up and killed. And while I can say we are moving towards this under our current administration, these two things are not the same.

And yes, there are extremely bad actors out there. Which is why I prefer for our intelligence services to have the capability to be able to defeat them.