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March 25, 2013, 07:55:18 PM
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Am I right in assuming Avalon convert BTC into USD close or at pre order time?

If so, what's the total value in pre order 3 batch? What should a sell of this magnitude do to the market?

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March 25, 2013, 08:03:48 PM
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600 units a BTC75 so at least BTC45k total

If they just dump all we would be at $53/BTC ish. Cheesy
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March 25, 2013, 08:07:34 PM
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Do they say they hold money in fiat/refund fiat equiv?

If so, am I missing a key part of the BTC pricing equation or as to why it's being pinned up if 45k sell shouldnt affect it?
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March 25, 2013, 08:16:29 PM
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They would be crazy to dump all the BTC right away since their production costs for batch 3 unlike batches 1 and 2 are way less that what these units were sold for. I would estimate 12K BTC at most to cover production costs.

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March 25, 2013, 08:30:29 PM
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They would be crazy to dump all the BTC right away since their production costs for batch 3 unlike batches 1 and 2 are way less that what these units were sold for. I would estimate 12K BTC at most to cover production costs.

But, assuming it's like BFL, and the other ASIC companies, doesnt their payment processor "automatically" convert it into USD or what not, hence, they refund is normally USD equiv of BTC? 

 
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March 25, 2013, 08:32:07 PM
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They are not going to sell all their btc: they are miners too!

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March 25, 2013, 08:42:41 PM
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but their payment processor ( http://paysius.com/ ) says auto converstion to USD http://paysius.com/faq etc
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March 25, 2013, 08:48:50 PM
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but their payment processor ( http://paysius.com/ ) says auto converstion to USD http://paysius.com/faq etc

...and paysius would be pretty stupid to liquidate everything at the same time, wiping out their 1.49% fee.

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March 25, 2013, 08:54:34 PM
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but their payment processor ( http://paysius.com/ ) says auto converstion to USD http://paysius.com/faq etc

...and paysius would be pretty stupid to liquidate everything at the same time, wiping out their 1.49% fee.

They dont speculate? How would this wipe out their 1.49 fee?  They just sell at market, then -1.49% from the USD? Or did I miss how payment processors work for BTC? How does BitPay work - afaik this is the same model?

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March 25, 2013, 08:59:22 PM
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but their payment processor ( http://paysius.com/ ) says auto converstion to USD http://paysius.com/faq etc

...and paysius would be pretty stupid to liquidate everything at the same time, wiping out their 1.49% fee.

They dont speculate? How would this wipe out their 1.49 fee?  They just sell at market, then -1.49% from the USD? Or did I miss how payment processors work for BTC? How does BitPay work - afaik this is the same model?



I'm pretty sure they guarantee liquidity or something.

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March 25, 2013, 11:02:17 PM
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They might also give sellers the option to recieve btc instead of $. If you were a company in china getting btc (exchange rate in china is mostly higher then mtgox) would be preferrable to usd in my opinion. Just wild guess though, but this forum is called speculation Smiley
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March 25, 2013, 11:09:11 PM
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to assume they would dump all at once is to assume they would just give their customers a super discount on their preorders.

I presume they made their BTC price in terms of a particular $ price average.

So dumping all at once would net them a loss on their profit.

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March 25, 2013, 11:20:24 PM
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They will not dump, as they need funds in bitcoins "to move them around quickly". 2nd batch had small speculative impact.
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March 26, 2013, 12:25:01 AM
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to assume they would dump all at once is to assume they would just give their customers a super discount on their preorders.

I presume they made their BTC price in terms of a particular $ price average.

So dumping all at once would net them a loss on their profit.

They're using Paysius.

Here's a quote from their site "Paysius immediately exchanges the Bitcoins for dollars and deposits the dollars automatically in your bank".


The market is not reacting the way it *should*(?)
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March 26, 2013, 12:27:35 AM
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600 units a BTC75 so at least BTC45k total

If they just dump all we would be at $53/BTC ish. Cheesy

600*75, I get 6*75,00, or 4,500 (c370k US).  Still quite a lot, and I think they're more than 75BTC on avg? Thought min price 88+
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March 26, 2013, 01:39:42 AM
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They're using Paysius.

Here's a quote from their site "Paysius immediately exchanges the Bitcoins for dollars and deposits the dollars automatically in your bank".


The market is not reacting the way it *should*(?)

First, they are big enough to arrange for Paysius to forward their BTC rather than dollars. Avalon does not want dollars.

Second, they also accept Renmimbi as well as Bitcoins. The scuttlebutt is that they have substantial sales in Chine, which will give them local fiat to pay local bills.
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March 26, 2013, 09:39:26 AM
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They're using Paysius.

Here's a quote from their site "Paysius immediately exchanges the Bitcoins for dollars and deposits the dollars automatically in your bank".


The market is not reacting the way it *should*(?)

First, they are big enough to arrange for Paysius to forward their BTC rather than dollars. Avalon does not want dollars.

Second, they also accept Renmimbi as well as Bitcoins. The scuttlebutt is that they have substantial sales in Chine, which will give them local fiat to pay local bills.

"Avalon does not want dollars."  Could you explain this to me?

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March 26, 2013, 09:42:57 AM
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right after presales opened ther was a 5000BTC sell order at 73 which i thought to be them.
market munched it right up within 2 minutes.
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March 26, 2013, 03:01:18 PM
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but their payment processor ( http://paysius.com/ ) says auto converstion to USD http://paysius.com/faq etc

Where do you get the fact they (Avalon, right?) are using paysius?

I paid my batch #3 order at bitpay.com
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March 26, 2013, 07:57:00 PM
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They're using Paysius.

Here's a quote from their site "Paysius immediately exchanges the Bitcoins for dollars and deposits the dollars automatically in your bank".


The market is not reacting the way it *should*(?)

First, they are big enough to arrange for Paysius to forward their BTC rather than dollars. Avalon does not want dollars.

Second, they also accept Renmimbi as well as Bitcoins. The scuttlebutt is that they have substantial sales in Chine, which will give them local fiat to pay local bills.

"Avalon does not want dollars."  Could you explain this to me?



Dollars suck.  Especially in China.

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