♠ BETCOIN.AG ♠ Fixed Signature Campaign - Monthly Payments - No Free Spots ♠

[Kayaman85]

once i reach full member I am going to apply. I am a loyal betcoin player. will even post screenshots of my big wins (I have won 5 btc from one slot spin on betcoin a while back)

Sorry to say this but this is the announcement made by the campaign manager a while back " https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1571148.msg21929933#msg21929933 "
It says the campaign does not take anyone outside of the people who were in the campaign before and all the places have been filled.

The original post should be updated to explain the new campaign a little better someday....

Agreed.

At least add "FULL" to the title of this post. Will save a lot of people a lot of time.

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[cjmoles]

once i reach full member I am going to apply. I am a loyal betcoin player. will even post screenshots of my big wins (I have won 5 btc from one slot spin on betcoin a while back)

Sorry to say this but this is the announcement made by the campaign manager a while back " https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1571148.msg21929933#msg21929933 "
It says the campaign does not take anyone outside of the people who were in the campaign before and all the places have been filled.

The original post should be updated to explain the new campaign a little better someday....

Agreed.

At least add "FULL" to the title of this post. Will save a lot of people a lot of time.

At least it brings activity to the thread and stirs up interest in in the site...kidding.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2338469.msg23796633#msg23796633

Check out my bitcointalk post where I post some screenshots of a few of my big wins on betcoin.ag!

Blank link? Wanted to see them big wins ---> have to get the intel on my competition.

[BetcoinCasino]

Welcome, we finished the first stage of the fixed campaign. making the payment will take several hours.  Thank you very much for participating in the campaign. We are editing the starting post, the changes will appear soon. Thank you.

[girino]

Welcome, we finished the first stage of the fixed campaign. making the payment will take several hours.  Thank you very much for participating in the campaign. We are editing the starting post, the changes will appear soon. Thank you.

Hi, i have not yet received my payment for this fixed stage. Are payments delayed for some reason?

[Roboabhishek]

Welcome, we finished the first stage of the fixed campaign. making the payment will take several hours.  Thank you very much for participating in the campaign. We are editing the starting post, the changes will appear soon. Thank you.

Hi, i have not yet received my payment for this fixed stage. Are payments delayed for some reason?

I was playing poker and I saw that the supports are very busy in handling requests and maybe the payment is delayed because of it. No doubt they face a huge amount of work each minute.

[tyz]

Welcome, we finished the first stage of the fixed campaign. making the payment will take several hours.  Thank you very much for participating in the campaign. We are editing the starting post, the changes will appear soon. Thank you.

Hi, i have not yet received my payment for this fixed stage. Are payments delayed for some reason?

Me neither. Waiting for a message from the campaign manager or a post here in the thread.

[cjmoles]

Welcome, we finished the first stage of the fixed campaign. making the payment will take several hours.  Thank you very much for participating in the campaign. We are editing the starting post, the changes will appear soon. Thank you.

Hi, i have not yet received my payment for this fixed stage. Are payments delayed for some reason?

Me neither. Waiting for a message from the campaign manager or a post here in the thread.

Ditto, still waiting too ---> they must be counting the posts and auditing the quality still.  It takes awhile sometimes.

[cjmoles]

Welcome, we finished the first stage of the fixed campaign. making the payment will take several hours.  Thank you very much for participating in the campaign. We are editing the starting post, the changes will appear soon. Thank you.

Hi, i have not yet received my payment for this fixed stage. Are payments delayed for some reason?

Me neither. Waiting for a message from the campaign manager or a post here in the thread.

Ditto, still waiting too ---> they must be counting the posts and auditing the quality still.  It takes awhile sometimes.

There was no minimum post count or quality for this stage.

If you're a member of this campaign, you've been getting paid by Betcoin for quite a while and understand Betcoin making late payments/false statements/half truths/etc... is completely normal.

Don't worry, unless this is their final signature campaign stage, nobody will be scammed. (but if it is, you can expect them to squeeze a couple more weeks out of you before everyone figures it out and changes their sig.)

No, that's not what the OP states ---> there's still a 30 post minimum requirement and the quality standards still apply.  So, they still need to keep some form of accounting and review.  Here's a link that might help you understand this reasoning: http://www.dummies.com/education/math/mathematical-matryoshka-counting-numbers-integers-rational-numbers-and-real-numbers/

[cjmoles]

Please reference:

The final price proposal is 0.045 BTC per month for Hero Members if wears our avatar, 0.04 BTC without avatar. 0.05 BTC per month for Legendary members with our avatar, 0.045 BTC without avatar. There is no minimum post limit

Also: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=538922

From OP: "Minimum: 30 constructive posts per month (or message us with inactivity information).
In case of situation in which participant won't reach the required minimum - participant might not get paid and can be removed from the campaign."

Citation: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1571148.0

Here's link that might help you comprehend the original post: http://www.dummies.com/store/product/Teaching-Kids-to-Read-For-Dummies.productCd-1118068939,navId-322488.html

[NorrisK]

They indeed state this now, but its different from the original terms.

I don't really mind though, as I'm easily getting 30+ posts as I was before.

[cjmoles]

They indeed state this now, but its different from the original terms.

I don't really mind though, as I'm easily getting 30+ posts as I was before.

It's this part that seems to be the most confusing part of the contract agreement:

"Our Participants will receive coins gained by posting to their personal Betcoin.ag accounts after 48-72h from the end of each Stage.
Withdraw can be made to any BTC address."

Source: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1571148.0

It doesn't say "before" 48-72h, it says "after" 48-72h, so that can be anytime between now and the next bitcoin halving, right?

[Roboabhishek]

They indeed state this now, but its different from the original terms.

I don't really mind though, as I'm easily getting 30+ posts as I was before.

It's this part that seems to be the most confusing part of the contract agreement:

"Our Participants will receive coins gained by posting to their personal Betcoin.ag accounts after 48-72h from the end of each Stage.
Withdraw can be made to any BTC address."

Source: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1571148.0

It doesn't say "before" 48-72h, it says "after" 48-72h, so that can be anytime between now and the next bitcoin halving, right?

Yes it says payment will be done 48h and before 72h after the end of each stage " http://prntscr.com/h697gn "
Maybe they are having some technical issues crediting btc to the participants. Maybe that was the reason why Bonus was turned off.

[Roboabhishek]

Anyone have received their payment???

Not yet

[BetcoinCasino]

Hi. I would like to announce that we have added a minimum post limit to the rules of our fixed campaign. However, in this place I point out that all the selected participants had an average number of posts per month in the area of 70-100 posts. When submitting offers for fixed campaign, we have counted that your average number of posts will not fall. So no one of you should suddenly have less than 30 posts, and if for reasons of problems, lack of time you predict that you will not write so many posts it is necessary to let us know. We will remove the participants, whose average number of posts suddenly fell after joining the fixed campaign. We will also remove the participants, who without informing us will write less than 30 posts. As mentioned above, all the selected participants have had a high average number of posts and in the postings we asked for not to fall after joining the fixed campaign. Please keep this in mind if you want to continue to participate in our campaign without any hassles. We apologize for the delay in payment, they are in progress. You will be paid 25% extra for a week between the pay-per-post campaign and the start of the fixed campaign. Thank you.

[BetcoinCasino]

Important note - please keep in mind that the posts in the "Wall Observer BTC / USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion" thread do not display the signature, so we do not count them to your average number of posts. Thank you.

[thejaytiesto]

Hi. I would like to announce that we have added a minimum post limit to the rules of our fixed campaign. However, in this place I point out that all the selected participants had an average number of posts per month in the area of 70-100 posts. When submitting offers for fixed campaign, we have counted that your average number of posts will not fall. So no one of you should suddenly have less than 30 posts, and if for reasons of problems, lack of time you predict that you will not write so many posts it is necessary to let us know. We will remove the participants, whose average number of posts suddenly fell after joining the fixed campaign. We will also remove the participants, who without informing us will write less than 30 posts. As mentioned above, all the selected participants have had a high average number of posts and in the postings we asked for not to fall after joining the fixed campaign. Please keep this in mind if you want to continue to participate in our campaign without any hassles. We apologize for the delay in payment, they are in progress. You will be paid 25% extra for a week between the pay-per-post campaign and the start of the fixed campaign. Thank you.

Do not make arbitrarily, vague, interpretative rules. 30 posts or more = get paid. 30 posts or less = no pay, anything else will just lead to problems. Some people may not find the time to keep up with an average of 100 posts if you were posting 100 posts before the change in rates. Consider that the rate has been cut to more than half, you can't expect people to continue doing the same amount of contributions. I will always have 30 or more posts with good grammar, not spamming bullshit and I expect to get paid for it.

[Denker]

Important note - please keep in mind that the posts in the "Wall Observer BTC / USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion" thread do not display the signature, so we do not count them to your average number of posts. Thank you.

Yeah thanks. Just noticed that today.

[BetcoinCasino]

Hi. I would like to announce that we have added a minimum post limit to the rules of our fixed campaign. However, in this place I point out that all the selected participants had an average number of posts per month in the area of 70-100 posts. When submitting offers for fixed campaign, we have counted that your average number of posts will not fall. So no one of you should suddenly have less than 30 posts, and if for reasons of problems, lack of time you predict that you will not write so many posts it is necessary to let us know. We will remove the participants, whose average number of posts suddenly fell after joining the fixed campaign. We will also remove the participants, who without informing us will write less than 30 posts. As mentioned above, all the selected participants have had a high average number of posts and in the postings we asked for not to fall after joining the fixed campaign. Please keep this in mind if you want to continue to participate in our campaign without any hassles. We apologize for the delay in payment, they are in progress. You will be paid 25% extra for a week between the pay-per-post campaign and the start of the fixed campaign. Thank you.

Do not make arbitrarily, vague, interpretative rules. 30 posts or more = get paid. 30 posts or less = no pay, anything else will just lead to problems. Some people may not find the time to keep up with an average of 100 posts if you were posting 100 posts before the change in rates. Consider that the rate has been cut to more than half, you can't expect people to continue doing the same amount of contributions. I will always have 30 or more posts with good grammar, not spamming bullshit and I expect to get paid for it.

Please calculate the rate that we pay and say if you look at the BTC / USD price you get less for posts? If you take part in a fixed campaign then the rate should be very satisfactory. And as for the average number of posts, we are just exactly hoping that your average will not fall, and if you have read the message, each of you has received a message that he agreed to, including in it:

At the beginning of each month you will receive the pay for the previous month, there is no minimum number of posts, but we count on your average number of posts will not fall.

It should not be any surprise what we wrote above. If we notice a significant decrease in the number of posts from any of you after joining the fixed campaign, that person will simply be removed from the campaign.
We also consider fixing the US Dollars instead of the BTC so that we do not change the rates every time. Currently, 0.05 BTC for Legendary with avatar, 0.045 for Hero with avatar is very good rate and if someone wants to receive it for 30 posts, it just will not be fair to agree to the terms sent to each person in the message. We know exactly how many each of you wrote and we will be careful to make sure that each one of you personally agreed was fulfilled. To remain in the campaign, you only have to follow the rules that you agreed on. None of you in the last few months have less than 30 posts, so the logic is that if someone is suddenly less than 30 it is a sign for us to such a person do not trust. This is the policy and we ask to inform us if something is happening in your life that does not allow you to write posts. Then we can find a solution together. If someone does not agree with our policies, we are very sorry and we suggest you choose another campaign.Thank you.

[cjmoles]

Hi. I would like to announce that we have added a minimum post limit to the rules of our fixed campaign. However, in this place I point out that all the selected participants had an average number of posts per month in the area of 70-100 posts. When submitting offers for fixed campaign, we have counted that your average number of posts will not fall. So no one of you should suddenly have less than 30 posts, and if for reasons of problems, lack of time you predict that you will not write so many posts it is necessary to let us know. We will remove the participants, whose average number of posts suddenly fell after joining the fixed campaign. We will also remove the participants, who without informing us will write less than 30 posts. As mentioned above, all the selected participants have had a high average number of posts and in the postings we asked for not to fall after joining the fixed campaign. Please keep this in mind if you want to continue to participate in our campaign without any hassles. We apologize for the delay in payment, they are in progress. You will be paid 25% extra for a week between the pay-per-post campaign and the start of the fixed campaign. Thank you.

Do not make arbitrarily, vague, interpretative rules. 30 posts or more = get paid. 30 posts or less = no pay, anything else will just lead to problems. Some people may not find the time to keep up with an average of 100 posts if you were posting 100 posts before the change in rates. Consider that the rate has been cut to more than half, you can't expect people to continue doing the same amount of contributions. I will always have 30 or more posts with good grammar, not spamming bullshit and I expect to get paid for it.

Please calculate the rate that we pay and say if you look at the BTC / USD price you get less for posts? If you take part in a fixed campaign then the rate should be very satisfactory. And as for the average number of posts, we are just exactly hoping that your average will not fall, and if you have read the message, each of you has received a message that he agreed to, including in it:

At the beginning of each month you will receive the pay for the previous month, there is no minimum number of posts, but we count on your average number of posts will not fall.

It should not be any surprise what we wrote above. If we notice a significant decrease in the number of posts from any of you after joining the fixed campaign, that person will simply be removed from the campaign.
We also consider fixing the US Dollars instead of the BTC so that we do not change the rates every time. Currently, 0.05 BTC for Legendary with avatar, 0.045 for Hero with avatar is very good rate and if someone wants to receive it for 30 posts, it just will not be fair to agree to the terms sent to each person in the message. We know exactly how many each of you wrote and we will be careful to make sure that each one of you personally agreed was fulfilled. To remain in the campaign, you only have to follow the rules that you agreed on. None of you in the last few months have less than 30 posts, so the logic is that if someone is suddenly less than 30 it is a sign for us to such a person do not trust. This is the policy and we ask to inform us if something is happening in your life that does not allow you to write posts. Then we can find a solution together. If someone does not agree with our policies, we are very sorry and we suggest you choose another campaign.Thank you.

Okay, I have to interject here. It's not a 30-100 post count that's relevant here. It's the ad space that's being committed for the entire month that's the relevant factor. So, it's not REALLY 30 posts for 0.050BTC ---> it's 0.050BTC for an entire month of ad space which includes all the several thousands of previous posts both in and out of the campaign in each members profile.

I'm not saying that it's not fair, I'm just trying to put it back into perspective ---> it equates to ~ 0.012 BTC per week because we're not working on a per post bases anymore. It's a difference in perspective.

For example: This campaign https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2211200 pays Hero/Legendary Members: 0.03 BTC  per week for 30+ posts ---> same 30+ posts but only committed for one week.  As opposed to 30+ posts committed for one month ---> same work but longer periods of committed ad space. Right?

So, these arguments are mixing apples and oranges here, that's all. It's math.

[JayJuanGee]

Hi. I would like to announce that we have added a minimum post limit to the rules of our fixed campaign. However, in this place I point out that all the selected participants had an average number of posts per month in the area of 70-100 posts. When submitting offers for fixed campaign, we have counted that your average number of posts will not fall. So no one of you should suddenly have less than 30 posts, and if for reasons of problems, lack of time you predict that you will not write so many posts it is necessary to let us know. We will remove the participants, whose average number of posts suddenly fell after joining the fixed campaign. We will also remove the participants, who without informing us will write less than 30 posts. As mentioned above, all the selected participants have had a high average number of posts and in the postings we asked for not to fall after joining the fixed campaign. Please keep this in mind if you want to continue to participate in our campaign without any hassles. We apologize for the delay in payment, they are in progress. You will be paid 25% extra for a week between the pay-per-post campaign and the start of the fixed campaign. Thank you.

Do not make arbitrarily, vague, interpretative rules. 30 posts or more = get paid. 30 posts or less = no pay, anything else will just lead to problems. Some people may not find the time to keep up with an average of 100 posts if you were posting 100 posts before the change in rates. Consider that the rate has been cut to more than half, you can't expect people to continue doing the same amount of contributions. I will always have 30 or more posts with good grammar, not spamming bullshit and I expect to get paid for it.

Please calculate the rate that we pay and say if you look at the BTC / USD price you get less for posts? If you take part in a fixed campaign then the rate should be very satisfactory. And as for the average number of posts, we are just exactly hoping that your average will not fall, and if you have read the message, each of you has received a message that he agreed to, including in it:

At the beginning of each month you will receive the pay for the previous month, there is no minimum number of posts, but we count on your average number of posts will not fall.

It should not be any surprise what we wrote above. If we notice a significant decrease in the number of posts from any of you after joining the fixed campaign, that person will simply be removed from the campaign.
We also consider fixing the US Dollars instead of the BTC so that we do not change the rates every time. Currently, 0.05 BTC for Legendary with avatar, 0.045 for Hero with avatar is very good rate and if someone wants to receive it for 30 posts, it just will not be fair to agree to the terms sent to each person in the message. We know exactly how many each of you wrote and we will be careful to make sure that each one of you personally agreed was fulfilled. To remain in the campaign, you only have to follow the rules that you agreed on. None of you in the last few months have less than 30 posts, so the logic is that if someone is suddenly less than 30 it is a sign for us to such a person do not trust. This is the policy and we ask to inform us if something is happening in your life that does not allow you to write posts. Then we can find a solution together. If someone does not agree with our policies, we are very sorry and we suggest you choose another campaign.Thank you.

Okay, I have to interject here. It's not a 30-100 post count that's relevant here. It's the ad space that's being committed for the entire month that's the relevant factor. So, it's not REALLY 30 posts for 0.050BTC ---> it's 0.050BTC for an entire month of ad space which includes all the several thousands of previous posts both in and out of the campaign in each members profile.

I'm not saying that it's not fair, I'm just trying to put it back into perspective ---> it equates to ~ 0.012 BTC per week because we're not working on a per post bases anymore. It's a difference in perspective.

For example: This campaign https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2211200 pays Hero/Legendary Members: 0.03 BTC  per week for 30+ posts ---> same 30+ posts but only committed for one week.  As opposed to 30+ posts committed for one month ---> same work but longer periods of committed ad space. Right?

So, these arguments are mixing apples and oranges here, that's all. It's math.

Hahahahahahaha

Perspective...  Thanks for that.

There is a difference between posting a minimum of 30 per week and 30 per month, too.   No?

I personally believe that Betcoinag should increase it's minimum per month to perhaps 40 posts per month, and to remove the vague standard of "maintaining your previous post level" and in that way each of us can choose whether we believe staying with this campaign is better for us and our particular circumstances, as compared with, perhaps, some other competing campaign.