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August 06, 2016, 01:43:12 PM
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paraipan was holding 250 BTC for the forum when he sadly died. Now it looks like someone found his wallet, since these coins are on the move. If anyone is able to trace these coins and recover any of them for the forum, you can keep 25% of the recovered amount.

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August 06, 2016, 01:46:09 PM
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paraipan died recently or what? I see him inactive since June 02, 2014.
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August 06, 2016, 01:57:19 PM
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paraipan died recently or what? I see him inactive since June 02, 2014.

No, he died some years ago, but these coins didn't move until recently.

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August 06, 2016, 02:19:56 PM
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Contact bitstmp and find out who the owner of the account who has a deposit address of 3GEnQ7ChhGoPCcBn2CRJexNcgK7FMaBGTr is. This is likely the person who has access to the 250BTC that paraipan was holding for the forum, and likely a heir to the estate of paraipan.

The above address received BTC from 1K3CxWrq91rByL9PjV9wccfhyuToF2WNRX and 1G6Pvh2713qT3pwDAXZwi77KRscR3wKcXp in 2015.

1G6Pvh2713qT3pwDAXZwi77KRscR3wKcXp received .5BTC from 1F1s6gdLNT8YP4eqrwwsyfxfF5gaCJ9nAP earlier this year.

1F1s6gdLNT8YP4eqrwwsyfxfF5gaCJ9nAP received 0.9999BTC from 16bzFLrJpw3BMJWxJiivEwbPaPXQuQjVGh the same day as the above transaction.

16bzFLrJpw3BMJWxJiivEwbPaPXQuQjVGh received BTC in 2012 AND 100BTC that can reasonably be traced back to the 250BTC paraipan was holding by looking back just 3 transactions to find the address that paraipan held the forum's BTC in.

Bitstamp will likely ask for a court order to release the identity of that account holder, and I don't think most courts will issue such an order to anyone except to either you or law enforcement who is investigating the theft of the above BTC.

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August 06, 2016, 02:26:44 PM
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Hmm. This isn't any address I've provided to the family.

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August 06, 2016, 02:33:39 PM
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Is he 100% confirmed to have pased away? Seems a bit weird that if you knew you were gravely ill you wouldn't make sure all your business was in order and return the coins he was holding.

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August 06, 2016, 02:56:08 PM
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The earliest funding of the wallet b72 which received that 5btc was initially started by wallet ba5 which itself received large deposits from 1b0d. Both b72 and ba5 are the same wallet owned by either Pairaipan or his business partner.

Now, 1b0d's most used address is 1lvbnppcsicgqhebkwgqcchas1ybhxnlbx which appears to be a vanity address (1 love bitcoin)??. Anyway, it belongs to Rugatu which was Paraipan and his business partner's Bitcoin version of Fiverr.

It appears that one of those two people is in control of the funds, else why would they send 5 btc to an otherwise unused bitcoin wallet in one of their names?

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August 06, 2016, 02:57:19 PM
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Is he 100% confirmed to have pased away? Seems a bit weird that if you knew you were gravely ill you wouldn't make sure all your business was in order and return the coins he was holding.

No. I was unable to locate the Spanish death certificate because we didn't have the actual date of his death and his Romanian death certificate is only retrievable in person. There are several members on here that claimed to know him personally and that he did indeed die.

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August 06, 2016, 03:16:31 PM
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The forum should move the existing funds that are held by single users into multi-sig ASAP. I know folks like OgNasty are reliable, but shit happens and people die every day.
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August 06, 2016, 03:27:12 PM
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Is he 100% confirmed to have pased away? Seems a bit weird that if you knew you were gravely ill you wouldn't make sure all your business was in order and return the coins he was holding.

No. I was unable to locate the Spanish death certificate because we didn't have the actual date of his death and his Romanian death certificate is only retrievable in person. There are several members on here that claimed to know him personally and that he did indeed die.

I'm sure someone could find out more details on this if his name is known or a private detective sure could. Can anyone get the death certificate from Romania? Cyrus is Romanian as far as I'm aware. If his name and date of death is roughly known I'm sure it could be easily found out. Call me a cynic but until we find out 100% he's deceased I wouldn't take the word of a few other random users on here unless their word is especially trusted but the fact that the coins are now moving is very suspicious.

The forum should move the existing funds that are held by single users into multi-sig ASAP. I know folks like OgNasty are reliable, but shit happens and people die every day.

Agreed, not to mention people can get greedy or lose access to them themselves.

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August 06, 2016, 04:11:01 PM
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The forum should move the existing funds that are held by single users into multi-sig ASAP. I know folks like OgNasty are reliable, but shit happens and people die every day.
Multi-sig will prevent the exact issue that has come up with paraipan. If a treasurer becomes incapacitated, then two of the three necessary signers for any address can simply move the coins held to another address controlled by three non-incapacitated treasurers.

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August 06, 2016, 04:15:33 PM
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Is he 100% confirmed to have pased away? Seems a bit weird that if you knew you were gravely ill you wouldn't make sure all your business was in order and return the coins he was holding.

No. I was unable to locate the Spanish death certificate because we didn't have the actual date of his death and his Romanian death certificate is only retrievable in person. There are several members on here that claimed to know him personally and that he did indeed die.

I'm sure someone could find out more details on this if his name is known or a private detective sure could. Can anyone get the death certificate from Romania? Cyrus is Romanian as far as I'm aware. If his name and date of death is roughly known I'm sure it could be easily found out. Call me a cynic but until we find out 100% he's deceased I wouldn't take the word of a few other random users on here unless their word is especially trusted but the fact that the coins are now moving is very suspicious.

I have pages and pages of information on him, that's not the issue. You have go to the town hall of his very small home town and turn up in person to request his death certificate as there isn't a central national database.

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August 06, 2016, 04:21:18 PM
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Is he 100% confirmed to have pased away? Seems a bit weird that if you knew you were gravely ill you wouldn't make sure all your business was in order and return the coins he was holding.

No. I was unable to locate the Spanish death certificate because we didn't have the actual date of his death and his Romanian death certificate is only retrievable in person. There are several members on here that claimed to know him personally and that he did indeed die.

I'm sure someone could find out more details on this if his name is known or a private detective sure could. Can anyone get the death certificate from Romania? Cyrus is Romanian as far as I'm aware. If his name and date of death is roughly known I'm sure it could be easily found out. Call me a cynic but until we find out 100% he's deceased I wouldn't take the word of a few other random users on here unless their word is especially trusted but the fact that the coins are now moving is very suspicious.

I have pages and pages of information on him, that's not the issue. You have go to the town hall of his very small home town and turn up in person to request his death certificate as there isn't a central national database.

In Romania? I'm sure Cyrus could do it. If the info was essential to getting closure on the situation it would be worthwhile.

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August 06, 2016, 04:45:49 PM
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The forum should move the existing funds that are held by single users into multi-sig ASAP. I know folks like OgNasty are reliable, but shit happens and people die every day.

This is a fantastic idea, bitcoin has the multi-sig function, so why not use it ?
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August 06, 2016, 09:00:48 PM
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This is a fantastic idea, bitcoin has the multi-sig function, so why not use it ?
I agree, especially when 250 BTC of forum funds have already been lost. Even though it wasn't lost due to scamming (as far as people know), people die due to freak accidents all the time. 2-of-3 multisig would be an option, but the forum could also consider 3 or 4-of-5 multisig as well. That way a majority would be required to move coins but you could still be missing a few key owners to move coins (ex. 3-of-5 would work even if two key owners went MIA at the same time).

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August 06, 2016, 09:13:30 PM
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The forum should move the existing funds that are held by single users into multi-sig ASAP. I know folks like OgNasty are reliable, but shit happens and people die every day.

This is a fantastic idea, bitcoin has the multi-sig function, so why not use it ?

The funds were likely sent out before Multi-Sig was so widely used. I think all of the treasures are legit and all, but they are definitely not immortal!
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August 06, 2016, 09:28:39 PM
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The funds were likely sent out before Multi-Sig was so widely used. I think all of the treasures are legit and all, but they are definitely not immortal!
It probably wouldn't have made sense to use multisig when the funds were originally distributed (or more likely it wasn't even a thing then) but now that we have the technology it makes a lot more sense to use it. It seems that most of the treasures are legitimate, but don't forget about the CIYAM incident.. Although everything ended up alright, multisig would have prevented that incident.

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August 06, 2016, 11:19:15 PM
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The funds were likely sent out before Multi-Sig was so widely used. I think all of the treasures are legit and all, but they are definitely not immortal!
It probably wouldn't have made sense to use multisig when the funds were originally distributed (or more likely it wasn't even a thing then) but now that we have the technology it makes a lot more sense to use it. It seems that most of the treasures are legitimate, but don't forget about the CIYAM incident.. Although everything ended up alright, multisig would have prevented that incident.

CIYAM was just fired up and made a bad choice, but no way he would have withheld the coins IMO. Anyways, it is pretty much a no-brainer to setup multi-sig these days.
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August 07, 2016, 12:31:55 AM
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Anyways, it is pretty much a no-brainer to setup multi-sig these days.

I've recently talked with theymos about this. A good multisig implementation would most likely prevent a lot of similar scenarios.

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August 07, 2016, 12:59:53 AM
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Anyways, it is pretty much a no-brainer to setup multi-sig these days.

I've recently talked with theymos about this. A good multisig implementation would most likely prevent a lot of similar scenarios.

One of the other problems with Paraipan was he was anonymous and only known to the forum under his pseudonym. Took me quite a while to 100% confirm his identity, jobs, companies, multi country locations, next of kin etc etc.

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