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August 07, 2016, 07:54:23 AM
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i think bitcointalk trust system very stupid..everyone can send randomly negative trust..trust system very ridiculous...
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August 07, 2016, 07:55:42 AM
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And I think you are stupid for not knowing that none of those feedbacks count unless they are from DT, which you can be only if you are a very trusted member of the community.
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August 07, 2016, 08:15:20 AM
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Sounds like the OP is a little butt hurt to me, post from you normal account next time and stop hiding behind alt accounts.

Ps: This should have been posted in the "meta" section.

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August 07, 2016, 08:25:05 AM
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i dont have alt accounts... i think trust system must be changed..not correct working
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August 07, 2016, 12:33:56 PM
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Wrong. The trust system is pretty decent and there isn't a better alternative (at least not proposed here). It seems highly likely that you do not properly understand the trust system either.

And I think you are stupid
This could have been left out though.

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August 07, 2016, 12:44:08 PM
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i think bitcointalk trust system very stupid..everyone can send randomly negative trust..trust system very ridiculous...

There is a comment and a reference link. You are expected to read that before dealing with the person. May be you are not aware that some trusted people have lot of red untrusted feedbacks? It doesn't make them any less trusted.

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August 07, 2016, 02:54:13 PM
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Trust system is pretty fine i just think reference should at least be required. This will help users check what is behind the red/green trust.
Because if we don't see a reference some especially me would just assume his alt gave the green.

 
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August 07, 2016, 03:06:41 PM
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i think bitcointalk trust system very stupid..everyone can send randomly negative trust..trust system very ridiculous...

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August 07, 2016, 05:41:31 PM
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i think bitcointalk trust system very stupid..everyone can send randomly negative trust..trust system very ridiculous...

which one is your real account?

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August 07, 2016, 08:10:12 PM
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The Trust system is needed. I was just scammed out of a gift card here because the Trust was not showing. If anything the system should be better.

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August 07, 2016, 08:22:41 PM
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It is not a perfect system...not by a long shot. In addition, most people who are unfamiliar with it will simply see someone marked in red and automatically assume that the person is a scammer without reading the comments in their trust feedback score. However, for those who understand it, it's not so bad.
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August 07, 2016, 08:46:31 PM
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I like the trust system it can give you some more info about the person who offer something on this forum. It's also a fast warning for other people if there is a red tag under someone his name. Also people who offer quality services and are good sellers can be easy recognized. The only things that could happen is that a account is hacked or sold so always be careful and use escrow when you buy or sell something.
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August 07, 2016, 09:06:10 PM
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The Trust system is needed. I was just scammed out of a gift card here because the Trust was not showing. If anything the system should be better. Scammer https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=709833
No. You've dealt with a person who isn't trusted and has had a lot of untrusted negative feedback. You can't expect some sort of perfect trust system that can prevent every type of scam. We've seen this with people that have a decent positive trust rating eventually scamming (e.g. Bogus escrow scam).

In addition, most people who are unfamiliar with it will simply see someone marked in red and automatically assume that the person is a scammer without reading the comments in their trust feedback score.
One can't blame anyone else, for the lack of knowledge regarding the trust system, but themselves.

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August 08, 2016, 03:08:26 AM
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The trust system is far from perfect, and has a lot of flaws.

And I think you are stupid for not knowing that none of those feedbacks count unless they are from DT,
This is not true. Anyone can see every feedback, and every feedback has the potential to show up by default in the future. Any erroneous feedback can also potentially be relied upon when deciding to trade with someone or not.

unless they are from DT which you can be only if you are a very trusted member of the community.
Also not true. There are several people in the DT network that have zero trading history.




One major problem with the "DT system" is that people in the DT network are much more likely to receive positive trust for "being trustworthy" then those outside of the DT network (with the hope of receiving a positive rating in return), are much more likely to receive fake negative trust from scammers (and as a result this makes it much more difficult to tell when someone in the DT network has actually scammed a scammer or not), and are much less likely to receive negative trust, even if they scam someone. 

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August 08, 2016, 03:28:49 AM
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unless they are from DT which you can be only if you are a very trusted member of the community.
Also not true. There are several people in the DT network that have zero trading history.

What does trading have to do with trustworthiness?   Huh

If I keep my word that makes me trustworthy.  I don't need to do a trade just to boost my credibility.

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I agree it's broken, but I accept it's what exists and that it's not my forum.  OP, start your own forum if the trust system is so bad you can't stand it.   Otherwise STFU, because people more intelligent than you have been arguing about this same issue since the system came into existence, and it apparently does no good.  So whining about it without offering an alternative is definitely just going to fall on deaf ears.

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I agree it's broken, but I accept it's what exists and that it's not my forum.  OP, start your own forum if the trust system is so bad you can't stand it.   Otherwise STFU, because people more intelligent than you have been arguing about this same issue since the system came into existence, and it apparently does no good.  So whining about it without offering an alternative is definitely just going to fall on deaf ears.

Speaking of...

If you ever make default trust, which it seems your really gunning for, you should remove this shit you left on me or change it to neutral without an extended conversation and/or a bunch of drama.. You shouldn't do that to a guy for conducting honest lending business..

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I agree it's broken, but I accept it's what exists and that it's not my forum.  OP, start your own forum if the trust system is so bad you can't stand it.   Otherwise STFU, because people more intelligent than you have been arguing about this same issue since the system came into existence, and it apparently does no good.  So whining about it without offering an alternative is definitely just going to fall on deaf ears.

Speaking of...

If you ever make default trust, which it seems your really gunning for, you should remove this shit you left on me or change it to neutral without an extended conversation and/or a bunch of drama.. You shouldn't do that to a guy for conducting honest lending business..
I'm not gunning for default trust.  In another thread, I explained exactly why people who only bust scams and stuff like that shouldn't be included on DT for that reason alone.  I excluded DT from my trust list, so I have to create my own.  Sorry you got a red from me, but you deal in accounts so I don't pity or feel sorry for you, and I'm not planning on erasing it anytime soon.  Since I'm not on DT, don't worry your pretty little head about it.  My feedback isn't going to impinge upon your ability to do deals.

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The Trust system is needed. I was just scammed out of a gift card here because the Trust was not showing. If anything the system should be better. Scammer https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=709833
No. You've dealt with a person who isn't trusted and has had a lot of untrusted negative feedback. You can't expect some sort of perfect trust system that can prevent every type of scam. We've seen this with people that have a decent positive trust rating eventually scamming (e.g. Bogus escrow scam).

In addition, most people who are unfamiliar with it will simply see someone marked in red and automatically assume that the person is a scammer without reading the comments in their trust feedback score.
One can't blame anyone else, for the lack of knowledge regarding the trust system, but themselves.

I did not see the negative feedback. The + and - were at 0 before I posted. I admit I should have checked past threads. The admins should also delete scammer accounts.
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I did not see the negative feedback. The + and - were at 0 before I posted. I admit I should have checked past threads.
That is what I understood from your situation. However, I'm saying that you can't expect some sort of trust system to prevent everyone from scams and potential scam attempts. There are some people in DT that have worked hard on fighting scammers.

The admins should also delete scammer accounts.
What would that accomplish? They could just create another account and try again.

What does trading have to do with trustworthiness? If I keep my word that makes me trustworthy.  I don't need to do a trade just to boost my credibility.
I guess there are cases in which one proves to be trustworthy (e.g. they don't run away with upfront payments or when they hold a lot of items). However, I do agree with you. Doing trades should not make one trustworthy by default.

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