Proposal: remove steemit links

[ndnh]

My vote on this proposal.

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[smooth]

While there are some posts with steemit links that don't just point to steemit articles, there is a bunch of them that only is used for spam, and begging for likes/upvotes.

I agree begging for upvotes should be considered spam and not allowed.

However, just linking to a blog post isn't necessarily spam or in any way bad just because of the platform it happens to be on.

This post was made around the time of the DAO token sale, and was very influential.

https://steemit.com/crypto-news/@dan/is-the-dao-going-to-be-doa

It was widely linked and discussed on many crypto blogs, forums, news sites, widely retweeted, etc. (it even got a bit of mainstream coverage). A rule against posting that link here in a thread about Ethereum or The DAO, where it is clearly relevant, would be a harsh form of censorship. That certainly isn't the only substantive and influential blog post on steemit. Charles Hoskinson made one recently as well, and there certainly are (and will be) others. Those two just happen to come to mind right away.

https://steemit.com/gaming/@acidyo/sgg-steem-game-giveaway-is-here

More info in the thread on steemit!

As you can clearly see, thread contains no valid data, and only serves to leech traffic from forum to steemit, +backlinks
This is bad for the forum, and it would be better to regulate these cases/topic now, rather than later (when it spreads even more throughout, and people start taking it for granted)

I'm not sure about the point about links, backlinks, traffic, etc. There are other threads that are just links to other sites that were reported and allowed. One I happen to know about (I'm sure it isn't the only one) is the Dash Nation progress thread. There is no discussion there (other than some early discussion on the thread about the pointlessness of it) and just links posted every day to Dash and Dash Nation web sites and the Dash forum.

If links to other web sites without significant relevance to discussion here aren't allowed that should be applied consistently.

(LOL. I just checked and Dash Nation is posting steemit links now. But the issue isn't steemit links here; the Dash Nation thread was just as worthless a link farm before, and was allowed.)

The above game giveaway post may be off topic. I didn't notice where it was posted.

[BayAreaCoins]

It seems to me that steem is a classic scamcoin, and steemit is being astroturfed like crazy. However, if a steemit link contains substantial, on-topic content, then the shadyness of steem/steemit doesn't warrant removing the link.

But if people are posting low-content steemit links in low-content posts, or posting steemit links constantly, then this should be reported. (Note that we might give a little extra leeway for steemit posts in the steem/steemit threads.)

I just had 9 legit post removed in the Steem thread... Kinda horse shit.

I don't really care about the link, but there was conversations in there and it was in the proper thread.

That's annoying to say the least...  Please keep mprep at bay a tiny bit.

[Quickseller]

Okay, I have to ask. WTF is a steamit link?

[BayAreaCoins]

Okay, I have to ask. WTF is a steamit link?

Here is an example of a bug that was found and reported on Steemit and Bitcointalk.

(note that this was a post in the Steem thread... related to Steem... and not shady... seems it falls into Theymos guild lines of not to be deleted, but was anyways.

A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted.

yeah i posted it.
https://steemit.com/steemit/@sparkeddev/steemit-bug-to-add-more-then-5-tags

I bet your post time by one minute

https://steemit.com/steemit/@bayareacoins/so-you-think-you-are-limited-to-5-tags-for-your-post-now-wrong-click-here-to-learn-how-to-get-your-article-listed-with-6-tags

It seems to me that steem is a classic scamcoin, and steemit is being astroturfed like crazy. However, if a steemit link contains substantial, on-topic content, then the shadyness of steem/steemit doesn't warrant removing the link.

But if people are posting low-content steemit links in low-content posts, or posting steemit links constantly, then this should be reported. (Note that we might give a little extra leeway for steemit posts in the steem/steemit threads.)

[smooth]

It seems to me that steem is a classic scamcoin, and steemit is being astroturfed like crazy. However, if a steemit link contains substantial, on-topic content, then the shadyness of steem/steemit doesn't warrant removing the link.

But if people are posting low-content steemit links in low-content posts, or posting steemit links constantly, then this should be reported. (Note that we might give a little extra leeway for steemit posts in the steem/steemit threads.)

I just had 9 legit post removed in the Steem thread... Kinda horse shit.

I don't really care about the link, but there was conversations in there and it was in the proper thread.

That's annoying to say the least...  Please keep mprep at bay a tiny bit.

Agree. Look, in the STEEM thread (or other relevant discussion threads) it is impossible to discuss the development and market for the coin without posting links.

There have also been some pure spam link posts in the Steem thread (i.e. not part of a discussion, just someone saying 'Please upvote'), but there needs to be a distinction made.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I'm so old and ignorant, I don't even know what steemit is.  Going to Google it now.  But if these are essentially shitposts or referral links,  then yeah, nuke them.   There's a lot of stuff I'd like zapped off this forum,  and you have to start somewhere.   I'm all for this.

Edit:  ok I sort of have an idea of what it is now.  When people here fight over the chance to make 0.0005 sat, I can see how this would be 1) Popular,  and 2) An opportunity to get our forum shat upon. 

[Wendigo]

Okay, I have to ask. WTF is a steamit link?

The hottest pyramid scheme right now. Also before going down the rabbit hole make sure to get enough bots upvoting your blog posts so it's guaranteed that you will be raking in the big bucks in no time 

Oh and by the way the circlejerking over there absolutely puts Bitcointalk to shame  I wonder when people will realize they are getting underpaid to post the useless crap they are posting here anyways and do a massive exodus to over there where the grass is always greener 

[suchmoon]

While there are some posts with steemit links that don't just point to steemit articles, there is a bunch of them that only is used for spam, and begging for likes/upvotes.

I agree begging for upvotes should be considered spam and not allowed.

However, just linking to a blog post isn't necessarily spam or in any way bad just because of the platform it happens to be on.

This post was made around the time of the DAO token sale, and was very influential.

https://steemit.com/crypto-news/@dan/is-the-dao-going-to-be-doa

It was widely linked and discussed on many crypto blogs, forums, news sites, widely retweeted, etc. (it even got a bit of mainstream coverage). A rule against posting that link here in a thread about Ethereum or The DAO, where it is clearly relevant, would be a harsh form of censorship. That certainly isn't the only substantive and influential blog post on steemit. Charles Hoskinson made one recently as well, and there certainly are (and will be) others. Those two just happen to come to mind right away.

https://steemit.com/gaming/@acidyo/sgg-steem-game-giveaway-is-here

More info in the thread on steemit!

As you can clearly see, thread contains no valid data, and only serves to leech traffic from forum to steemit, +backlinks
This is bad for the forum, and it would be better to regulate these cases/topic now, rather than later (when it spreads even more throughout, and people start taking it for granted)

I'm not sure about the point about links, backlinks, traffic, etc. There are other threads that are just links to other sites that were reported and allowed. One I happen to know about (I'm sure it isn't the only one) is the Dash Nation progress thread. There is no discussion there (other than some early discussion on the thread about the pointlessness of it) and just links posted every day to Dash and Dash Nation web sites and the Dash forum.

If links to other web sites without significant relevance to discussion here aren't allowed that should be applied consistently.

(LOL. I just checked and Dash Nation is posting steemit links now. But the issue isn't steemit links here; the Dash Nation thread was just as worthless a link farm before, and was allowed.)

The above game giveaway post may be off topic. I didn't notice where it was posted.

Charles Hoskinson is an insider, having worked with Bitshares and whatnot, so I don't think he counts as an example of steemit's credibility. Although I'm sure there is some useful stuff unfortunately 90% of steemit links I find here are:

1) posted by authors themselves; and
2) utter garbage.

As for some other shitcoin having shitty links... I'm fine with it as long as it stays in their own thread and doesn't infect the rest of the forum. There are perfectly valid ways to share one's point of view, e.g. quote the text or post it on neutral platform and link it that way instead of expecting everyone to participate in someone's misguided idea of how to "monetize" garbage.

[smooth]

While there are some posts with steemit links that don't just point to steemit articles, there is a bunch of them that only is used for spam, and begging for likes/upvotes.

I agree begging for upvotes should be considered spam and not allowed.

However, just linking to a blog post isn't necessarily spam or in any way bad just because of the platform it happens to be on.

This post was made around the time of the DAO token sale, and was very influential.

https://steemit.com/crypto-news/@dan/is-the-dao-going-to-be-doa

It was widely linked and discussed on many crypto blogs, forums, news sites, widely retweeted, etc. (it even got a bit of mainstream coverage). A rule against posting that link here in a thread about Ethereum or The DAO, where it is clearly relevant, would be a harsh form of censorship. That certainly isn't the only substantive and influential blog post on steemit. Charles Hoskinson made one recently as well, and there certainly are (and will be) others. Those two just happen to come to mind right away.

https://steemit.com/gaming/@acidyo/sgg-steem-game-giveaway-is-here

More info in the thread on steemit!

As you can clearly see, thread contains no valid data, and only serves to leech traffic from forum to steemit, +backlinks
This is bad for the forum, and it would be better to regulate these cases/topic now, rather than later (when it spreads even more throughout, and people start taking it for granted)

I'm not sure about the point about links, backlinks, traffic, etc. There are other threads that are just links to other sites that were reported and allowed. One I happen to know about (I'm sure it isn't the only one) is the Dash Nation progress thread. There is no discussion there (other than some early discussion on the thread about the pointlessness of it) and just links posted every day to Dash and Dash Nation web sites and the Dash forum.

If links to other web sites without significant relevance to discussion here aren't allowed that should be applied consistently.

(LOL. I just checked and Dash Nation is posting steemit links now. But the issue isn't steemit links here; the Dash Nation thread was just as worthless a link farm before, and was allowed.)

The above game giveaway post may be off topic. I didn't notice where it was posted.

Charles Hoskinson is an insider, having worked with Bitshares and whatnot, so I don't think he counts as an example of steemit's credibility. Although I'm sure there is some useful stuff unfortunately 90% of steemit links I find here are:

1) posted by authors themselves; and
2) utter garbage.

As for some other shitcoin having shitty links... I'm fine with it as long as it stays in their own thread and doesn't infect the rest of the forum. There are perfectly valid ways to share one's point of view, e.g. quote the text or post it on neutral platform and link it that way instead of expecting everyone to participate in someone's misguided idea of how to "monetize" garbage.

Hoskinson's post had nothing at all to do with Steemit; he just posted a blog there, as have many other people including a number of prominent cryptocurrency (and non-cryptocurrency) personalities having nothing at all to do with its development. It was related to his returning to work on Ethereum (via ETC), where he was one of the original founders. I also don't think he has anything to do with Steemit; your claim he is an insider is unsupported and probably incorrect. Just because he once worked with some of the same people at a different company/coin doesn't make him an insider.

As for others prominent people blogging there who may, and probably will, be quoted on this forum based on the substance of their posts, I'd list Jeff Berwick (known popularly as "The Dollar Vigilante"), Benbrick (successful songwriter), Rick Falkvinge (Pirate Party founder), Larkin Rose (tax protester), Brenda Zambrano (Playboy Playmate), Barry Cooper (drug war opponent), and many others. None of these people are insiders or have any involvement with running Steemit afaik.

I had several posts of mine deleted from this forum that were in the Steem ANN thread, presumably because they contained links to the site. I was not the author of the Steemit posts. The links related to posts that were highly relevant to the adoption of the coin and therefore speculation on the coin. This is discussion right at the core of the entire purpose of the Altcoin section of this forum. I strongly protest the deletion of those posts.

The Dash Nation thread is not the Dash ANN thread. It is another discussion thread created solely for the purpose of link spamming.

So I agree with most of your comments here, except that the moderation that is occurring does not follow those guidelines either in the positive or the negative. Change is needed.