OGNasty and Betcoin.ag

[TwitchySeal]

Edit: Instead of responding to this thread, OgN added another accusation to my neg feedback "Posts out of context edited PMs in an attempt to discredit forum members"
Here are the screen shots of every single pm I've had with OgN: INBOX  -  SENT

I will be directing anyone who thinks OGNastys high level of trust has anything to do with the site he chooses to promote in his signature (Betcoin.ag) to this thread.  Example

To avoid being accused of putting a spin on what really happened, I've included every pm between OGNasty and myself.  The only editing was removing re-quotes to make it easier to read.  I'm happy to provide screenshots or give a trusted member/mod access to my account to verify everything is authentic.  

Hi,

I'm disappointed to see you have decided to promote Betcoin.ag  Are you aware of the scam accusations made against them that they have refused to address?

I'm not affiliated with any site, just a professional online poker player with over 10 million hands played on various sites that believes Bitcoin has the potential to solve many of the problems my industry faces.

If you are unfamiliar with the issues with Betcoin.ag, would you be willing to hear me out?  I'm happy to explain any or all and provide evidence.

TwitchySeal

I've been contacted by several members today about their issues.  There's really nothing I can do about it at this point.  I took their money to advertise for the month.  At the end of the month I can certainly try to find a replacement advertiser who has a better reputation, but not many people are willing to pay several hundred dollars for a signature ad.

If I were you, I wouldn't take it as a sign I am vouching for them.  Take it for what it is, I am taking their money for a limited advertisement.

It doesn't matter how I take it, I already know about Betcoin.ag  It's how people who don't know about Betcoin.ag take it that concerns me.

You are one of the most trusted/respected members on this forum and every post you've made now includes a promotion for Betcoin claiming they are "the most trusted bitcoin and litecoin casino".  The reason they are paying you so much is because of your reputation.

Betcoin has many issues.  The biggest issue, however, is how they handle all the smaller ones.  They don't.  They simply ignore players who have issues.  For the last couple months literally the only place they would respond was in their signature campaign thread.

They recently switched to a self moderated thread, their final post before locking the old one:

We love all of our great signature campaign members!!! We thank you very much!  We have decided to follow the advice and we have created a new topic here:

Special welcome to our newest campaign member:  OgNasty, whose profile speaks for itself: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=18321

We will continue to provide one of the best campaigns and services to our great members and players.  This thread is closed.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1571148

Betcoin is trying to buy a reputation they don't deserve.

Please give them their money back and stop allowing them to leach off your good reputation.

You clearly want me to stop advertising for them, so if you'd like to send me 1 BTC, I'll happily refund them and find a new advertiser.

I just want you to understand that your decision to promote Betcoin will have a very real effect on individuals and communities.  If you're interested I'd be happy to elaborate on what kind of effects they will be and provide evidence to back it up.

If you're just interested in selling your signature and reputation to the highest bidder, I'm definitely wasting my time.

I've been extremely vocal that I think signature campaigns are evil.  I've done everything I can to bring a stop to them.  I've even made proposals to limit them to extremes.  I also think that gambling is evil and do not support or condone it in any way, nor do I participate.

We are all adults here.  Everyone knows it is a paid signature.  Easy for you to say to give the money back, but unless you want to put your money where your mouth is, please spare me the lectures.

I go on vacation and don't log on for a few days.  When I return, I see ognasty has left me negative feedback.

And the following message:

Remove it...

Hi,
I've been traveling and honestly not sure what you're referring to.

Ok, I just saw your neg trust on my profile.
I am not games-protect.

I will not be bullied or extorted into not fulfilling my promises to paid advertisers.

"Provides support for user "game-protect" to try and extort forum members."

Care to elaborate?

Who am I extorting?  How?

I don't want to argue.  You've provided trust for a user who is using his trust to blackmail me into either paying BTC or not fulfilling my signature auction responsibilities.  

I don't want to discuss it any further.  "game-protect" and anyone associated with the trust chain is guilty of extortion by default in the same manner I am guilty for who won my signature auction, only difference is the winner of my signature auction was beyond my control.  

I hope this explains my stance.  So long as the negative feedback exists, the extortion attempt is valid and I will not be altering my trust stance.  No further discussion on this issue is necessary.

Have I been disrespectful to you in any way?

I didn't mean to if so.

I'm trying to make a difference doing what, in my honest opinion, is the right thing.  I'm not affiliated with any business, I'm just someone with a passion for bitcoin and also a very experienced online poker player.

I'd like to request permission to make our communications via pm public.

Obviously making a private conversation public in an attempt to discredit me further would result in more negative feedback.

How about not giving trust to an alt account in order to attempt to extort me?

My goal isn't to discredit you.  It's obvious you have little or no respect for me, I just want the truth to be known.  How should I respond when people defend Betcoin by pointing out one of the most trusted members on the forum promotes them.  Example: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=717790.msg15796624#msg15796624

Will you make a thread with all of our communications made public please?  Or at least explain your stance of gambling and sig campaigns being evil/you're only doing it for the money and would remove sig for 1btc?


Who you trust or don't trust is your decision.  I've never asked anyone to trust me or untrust anyone else and I'm not going to ask you either.  

You should know though, until a few days ago I had another feedback with games-protect I have since removed because he made a good point and am still questioning myself whether or not I should put it back.

I will not remove my current comment because I believe it to be true.  He has helped expose several unethical casinos and likely saved people a lot of money.  I don't take anything

I don't know what your talking about as far as extortion, and I can't consider it if you won't explain yourself.




We are both active on other forums and have some history, the "todd" I'm referring to is Todd Witilles the owner of pokerfraudalert.com

http://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/showthread.php?11404-Betcoin-ag-Scams-Scandals-and-Shadiness-Galore

Most likely you don't even give a shit about any of this so I'll stop rambling - if you do though, I'm happy to discuss anything.  I'd like to in fact.

The user threatened to left me negative feedback unless I send funds back to the purchaser of my signature auction and remove the signature.  That is extortion and I have 0 respect for people who try to bully me.  I also have 0 tolerance for this type of behavior.  If you guys want to pick a fight with one of the most trusted people and employees of this forum as some sort of vengeance scheme, good luck.  It isn't that I don't respect you, it is that I don't respect this extorting behavior and have 0 tolerance for it or anyone that supports it.

I have made my comments about signature campaigns publicly known.  I'm not going to go back searching through threads to try and find my comments or waste any more time explaining why giving a user negative feedback for who won their auction is ridiculous, or waste my time pointing out that they bought my signature and anyone is welcome to do so.  If you choose who is trustworthy by who spends the most on advertising, you have a long hard life ahead of you.  Take some responsibility and let other people be responsible for who they choose to gamble with.  I couldn't care less.  As far as I'm concerned all gambling sites are scams that prey on people's addictions.  Trying to say that I deserve negative feedback because of which scam won my auction is once again ridiculous.

This forum has a policy of not moderating scams.  I have also been vocal about removal of this policy, but it is simply too big of a task.  I don't know what sort of background investigations you expect me to perform on advertisers who buy my signature, but if you guys think that I spend literally any time caring, you are mistaken.  I put the space up for auction, people bid, I provide the winner with what I say.  Nothing about this makes me untrusted and aligning yourself with someone who wishes to attempt to extort me into bowing to their demands will only make you look bad to this community as a whole, as that user is a red painted extorting piece of shit, and I'm a user who has helped thousands of members on this forum, has one of the highest trust ratings of anyone here, and is literally paid for my contributions here.

Please do not continue baiting me into PMs for the purpose of trying to make me look bad.  I'm in the right here.  You guys are obviously in the wrong and using extortion techniques as a means for control will continue to disappoint you.

I strongly disagree with the way you justify promoting Betcoin.ag and will be creating a thread about your stance and argument you've presented tomorrow.

This has absolutely nothing to do with your neg rep comment you left me and everything to do with what you consider "extortion" and your rationale behind/what I believe the result will be from your decision to promote Betcoin.ag  I will be leaving negative feedback for everyone that promotes Betcoin.ag this week.

I don't want to start a war with you or anyone, this is just an attempt at being transparent with my thoughts .    I do not intend to do any damage to your reputation.  (I'm also not naive enough to think I could)   The way you are handling this really bothers me , I feel like maybe  I'm not doing a good job of explaining the situation and hopefully someone you respect will see the thread and say something that makes you look at things from a perspective you aren't now.  Or several perspectives.  

Not my stance dude.  It's the forum's stance.  If you don't like it, you can leave.  Burning your account trust to try and prove some point about me providing exactly what I said I would provide to the winner of my signature auction only makes you look foolish.  

I've said I agree with you about gambling, scams, signatures...  I even said I would not let them advertise when their month contract is up.  You seem to not agree with me about how much time and effort I should put into vetting gambling sites, or any other site that chooses to buy my signature advertising.  You think I should research every single member here and put up auction rules banning them in advance.  You're ridiculous, your stance is ridiculous, the way you're trying to handle it is ridiculous, and you're going to lose any shred of credibility you think you have by continuing forward with this course of action.

You think I should not honor the terms of my auction, or I am untrustworthy.  Even going as far as to attempt to join in on an extortion attempt.  This will end poorly for you.

He ordered me to send my BTC to another party or he was going to retaliate.  That's extortion.  Pretty simple.

Edit: A day or so after creating this thread I sent OgN the following pm and received a response.

Hi,

Just wanted to make sure you were aware of this thread so that I won't incorrectly assume you are choosing not to respond.  
I've been waiting to discuss my opinion for you to respond.  I've tried to approach the situation as objectively and transparently as possible.

Also I would appreciate it if you let me know who or what led you to conclude that Games-Direct is my alt.  
I think it's a safe assumption that you didn't reach this conclusion on your own, but I could be wrong I suppose.

Thanks,

TwitchySeal

I've wasted more than enough time responding to your extortion attempts.  Welcome to my ignore/block list.

Edit: OgN has changed the feedback he left me:



(I deny all of his accusation and have posted screen shots of all the pms I've received from him at top of thread)

[Wendigo]

You all spend a lot of time mud-slinging at each other. You need to find a more productive pastime here on the forums.

By the way I am the only one not wearing a fucking signature. The irony  

[damnMscollec]

You all spend a lot of time mud-slinging at each other. You need to find a more productive pastime here on the forums.

By the way I am the only one not wearing a fucking signature. The irony  

I don't wear either, lol  

OP, calm down, why OGNasty can't promote betcoin.ag? Because betcoin ban you? You talk about this everyday, looks like a loser, no offense, just working harder!

[minifrij]

OP, calm down, why OGNasty can't promote betcoin.ag? Because betcoin ban you?

It's not a question of whether OgNasty can promote Betcoin; anyone can. It's a question of whether he should.
What with Betcoin's history being dodgy at best it can very easily give people (especially newer members) a skewed impression of a company's trust and ethics should someone as trusted as OgNasty advertise for them - especially so whilst using words such as "The most trusted Bitcoin and Litecoin Casino".

[Joel_Jantsen]

Obviously making a private conversation public in an attempt to discredit me further would result in more negative feedback.

That seems like a clear threat ,directly/indirectly!

How about not giving trust to an alt account in order to attempt to extort me?

I'm sure I don't have to explain to OG Nasty how feedbacks work.Basically,they don't mean shit without the valid references,of course there are obvious exceptions!

TwitchySeal has a point and he is really trying to bust the scam casinos,in this case,OGnasty is in a situation which is out of his control.Ditching a signature while he's paid for a month in advance would not only result in bad terms with the casino but affects his reputation overall.The best solution on his end could be refunding the money back to Betcoin and discontinuing the signature.Since he doesn't have any problems with the casino or maybe he shouldn't be suffering loses of the result which came out later,he can surely ask for people who seem to have problem with his signature to cover up for his loses.

You clearly want me to stop advertising for them, so if you'd like to send me 1 BTC, I'll happily refund them and find a new advertiser.

That is the best solution out here.Not only for twitchy seal but anyone who wants the signature to be taken down right away.

[Quickseller]

TwitchySeal has a point and he is really trying to bust the scam casinos,in this case,OGnasty is in a situation which is out of his control.Ditching a signature while he's paid for a month in advance would not only result in bad terms with the casino but affects his reputation overall

There should be a clause that allows the advertiser to discontinue displaying the signature at the advertisers discretion (primarily to be used in the case of scams). Typically this would involve giving a pro-rated refund.

You clearly want me to stop advertising for them, so if you'd like to send me 1 BTC, I'll happily refund them and find a new advertiser.

That is the best solution out here.Not only for twitchy seal but anyone who wants the signature to be taken down right away.

That is ridiculous. Twitchy is not gaining anything of value if OgNasty removes the betcoin signature, and the signature would presumably not be replaced with something that twitchy wants to advertise. If someone is advertising what turns out to be a scam, then they should remove such advertisement, and if they are receiving an amount in line with market rates then there is no reason why they would not be able to find another company to advertise for that is willing to pay a similar rate.

[game-protect]

OgNasty threatened me. Someone can see the original messages per Teamviewer if required:

I'm going to paint your other account red with negative feedback if you don't remove this.  Thought I'd give you the chance to do the right thing first.

What other account  

_______________

Here's the negative feedback I'll be returning to you tomorrow if you do not remove the unwarranted negative feedback immediately.  I will be more harsh to alt accounts I discover linked to this account, as well as alerting the scam patrol and moderator staff to do the same.  Please do the right thing and save us both the time and negative energy.

Leaving negative feedback because of who purchased my advertising?  Clearly this unstable individual and his service should be avoided.

Unwarranted?

I explained perfectly why betcoin.ag is a publicly proven scam. If you are unsure you can consult a lawyer.

If the criminal laws of your jurisdiction allow to promote a publicly proven scam for your own financial benefit, please quote them and I will remove my feedback and apologise.

I have enough time, money and energy to fight against criminals...


Best regards,

_______________

What other account  

I'm not going to dignify you with any further discussion.  Tomorrow I will leave you negative feedback if you do not do the right thing.  If you send me any other message besides apologize for leaving me negative trust because I fulfilled the promise of my signature auction then I will set your account to ignore.  I'm not going to play games with you..  Good luck.  Seek help for your gambling addiction.  Nobody is to blame for your current situation but yourself.

Promises to promote a publicly proven scam are juridically not valid!

LOL, seek help for your criminal addiction  

I am ready for whatever fight...

Good luck!

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Promises to promote a publicly proven scam are juridically not valid!

LOL, seek help for your criminal addiction  

I am ready for whatever fight...

Good luck!

You do realize that is the forum's policy, right?

If you were to remove your negative trust, I can put in a policy that companies with negative trust can no longer bid on my signature advertising slot.  This would mean I would no longer be advertising for betcoin.ag (or similar untrusted organizations) at the end of this month.

That is the best I can do without breaking the contract I have in place, and is a final attempt at compromise to end this feud with you.

[game-protect]

The user threatened to left me negative feedback unless I send funds back to the purchaser of my signature auction and remove the signature.  That is extortion and I have 0 respect for people who try to bully me. -snip-

Who?

[cartell0]

So OGNasty is the new Master-P. Let me keep it that way...  
Time will justify the statement.

[suchmoon]

So OGNasty is the new Master-P. Let me keep it that way...  
Time will justify the statement.

Are you mad? Did Og scam someone to the tune of 25 BTC?

No doubt that there is clearly a substantial difference of opinion between two forum members - and even involving trust ratings, which I don't think is appropriate - but comparing this to an outright escrow scam is ludicrous.

[TwitchySeal]

I've been holding off responding to give OgNasty a chance to comment.  I guess that won't be happening from the last pm I received:

Hi,

Just wanted to make sure you were aware of this thread so that I won't incorrectly assume you are choosing not to respond.  
I've been waiting to discuss my opinion for you to respond.  I've tried to approach the situation as objectively and transparently as possible.

Also I would appreciate it if you let me know who or what led you to conclude that Games-Direct is my alt.  
I think it's a safe assumption that you didn't reach this conclusion on your own, but I could be wrong I suppose.

Thanks,

TwitchySeal

I've wasted more than enough time responding to your extortion attempts.  Welcome to my ignore/block list.

Wtf is happening here?  This guy seemed like such a nice guy and super trusted till I asked him (politely) to not promote Betcoin in his signature.

He seems convinced that Games-Protect is my alt (which is not true) but will not explain why he thinks so.

He claims he thinks gambling and signature campaigns are evil but justifies his Betcoin Signature with:

There's really nothing I can do about it at this point.  I took their money to advertise for the month.
-snip-
not many people are willing to pay several hundred dollars for a signature ad.
-snip-

He has exactly 0 negative feedback sent ever except for these.   :



How is that even possible to have so much trust and be around so long without a single neg trust - yet be so willing to pull the trigger in this case?

I'm honestly confused by his behavior. I have included every single interaction I've ever had with him in OP and now this post.

I think it's possible someone from Betcoin "warned" him about me and told him I was G-D and convinced him I'm just a super horrible person?

or

Maybe he's just really obsessive about not having any red trust on his profile and when G-P left it he just lost his mind with rage?

I don't know.

If any of his friends read this though, I'd appreciate if you're able to try and figure out wtf is really going on here.

[suchmoon]

Twitchy, where does OgNasty say that GP is your alt? Looking at the PMs it seems you bring it up first, unless they're not in chronological order.

[DarkStar_]

Twitchy, where does OgNasty say that GP is your alt? Looking at the PMs it seems you bring it up first, unless they're not in chronological order.

Read the quotes from game-protect. I'll assume they were both PMing him at around the same time, so he was convinced that they were the same user and accused him through game-protect's account.

[suchmoon]

Twitchy, where does OgNasty say that GP is your alt? Looking at the PMs it seems you bring it up first, unless they're not in chronological order.

Read the quotes from game-protect. I'll assume they were both PMing him at around the same time, so he was convinced that they were the same user and accused him through game-protect's account.

So you're saying game-protect is indeed Twitchy's alt? How would Twitchy otherwise know what went down between those two in PMs? I'm talking about this PM:

Ok, I just saw your neg trust on my profile.
I am not games-protect.

But the neg trust only says:

Provides support for user "game-protect" to try and extort forum members.

Nothing about alts. That's like saying "Suchmoon helped an old lady to cross the street" and then I respond "I'm not an old lady". Doesn't quite follow.

Edit: TBH I couldn't care less about the alt part. It looks like OgNasty offered a reasonable solution but somehow this still got escalated out of proportion:

Promises to promote a publicly proven scam are juridically not valid!

LOL, seek help for your criminal addiction 

I am ready for whatever fight...

Good luck!

You do realize that is the forum's policy, right?

If you were to remove your negative trust, I can put in a policy that companies with negative trust can no longer bid on my signature advertising slot.  This would mean I would no longer be advertising for betcoin.ag (or similar untrusted organizations) at the end of this month.

That is the best I can do without breaking the contract I have in place, and is a final attempt at compromise to end this feud with you.

[Lutpin]

Edit: TBH I couldn't care less about the alt part. It looks like OgNasty offered a reasonable solution but somehow this still got escalated out of proportion:

You do realize that is the forum's policy, right?

If you were to remove your negative trust, I can put in a policy that companies with negative trust can no longer bid on my signature advertising slot.  This would mean I would no longer be advertising for betcoin.ag (or similar untrusted organizations) at the end of this month.

That is the best I can do without breaking the contract I have in place, and is a final attempt at compromise to end this feud with you.

Regardless of this situation and how it played out, OgNasty should add a clause like that to their contract with advertisers.
If they are not ready to refund the advertisers and don't want to break their contract either, a rule like that is the only way to get out of being tied up in a month-long contract with a company you can't/won't advertise for.
Not just with betcoin, but also with any future advertising partners (imagine a company turning outright scam at the second of a month and you continuing to advertise them for 30 days without any reaction/comment).

[Quickseller]

Twitchy, where does OgNasty say that GP is your alt? Looking at the PMs it seems you bring it up first, unless they're not in chronological order.

Read the quotes from game-protect. I'll assume they were both PMing him at around the same time, so he was convinced that they were the same user and accused him through game-protect's account.

They are time stamped, so no the PMs were not at the same time.

I am not sure of Twitchy's mindset when he was sending the PMs, however I think the rating that OgNasty left twitchy semi-implies that they are the same person. Twitchy's conversation with OgNasty seems to confirm this theory.

I have no idea if they are the same person or not, however I have not seen any evidence that they are the same person, credible or not. I think the service that game-protect is offering will not well, protect his customers, and I do not trust him.

I am curious to hear from OgNasty if the PMs are accurate and if anything is missing from the PMs. I think I would still trust OgNasty with decent amounts of money if the PMs are accurate and not missing any pernanent information, however I would also be very disappointed.

Edit:

Edit: TBH I couldn't care less about the alt part. It looks like OgNasty offered a reasonable solution but somehow this still got escalated out of proportion:

You do realize that is the forum's policy, right?

If you were to remove your negative trust, I can put in a policy that companies with negative trust can no longer bid on my signature advertising slot.  This would mean I would no longer be advertising for betcoin.ag (or similar untrusted organizations) at the end of this month.

That is the best I can do without breaking the contract I have in place, and is a final attempt at compromise to end this feud with you.

Regardless of this situation and how it played out, OgNasty should add a clause like that to their contract with advertisers.
If they are not ready to refund the advertisers and don't want to break their contract either, a rule like that is the only way to get out of being tied up in a month-long contract with a company you can't/won't advertise for.
Not just with betcoin, but also with any future advertising partners (imagine a company turning outright scam at the second of a month and you continuing to advertise them for 30 days without any reaction/comment).

OgNasty was at least willing to implement this kind of clause/policy. OgNasty offered to remove the signature if twitchy paid 1 BTC, which I assume is the amount that he was receiving for the month.

[bitkilo]

I don't know a lot about the betcoin.ag scenario but if a member is still advertising a know scam site then they should remove that advertising asap.

I was once in a campaign that turned out to be a scam, crypto vpn i think it was and as soon as someone told me it was a scam and i confirmed it i took the signature down.
I can't be blammed if someone got scammed from the company i was advertising unless i continued to do so long after being made aware of the situation.

[TwitchySeal]

Twitchy, where does OgNasty say that GP is your alt? Looking at the PMs it seems you bring it up first, unless they're not in chronological order.

I wasn't online for a few days and came back on August 7th.

OgNasty sent me a pm on August 5th that only said "Remove It..." (it was the only pm from him)

Before I realized he had left me neg feedback, I responded

Hi,
I've been traveling and honestly not sure what you're referring to.

Then I realized:

G-P left OgNasty this neg feedback on August 3rd:
Promotes the publicly proven betcoin.ag scam for his own financial benefit = criminal offense.
Betcoin.ag publicly make false and misleading statements in their "Terms of Service" section, has no juridical valid "legally binding agreement" and hide the name of the operator!
In case of embezzlement/fraud, you likely have no legal recourse.  <----The only neg feedback of any kind OgN has received.

OgN left me this neg feedback on Aug 5th:
Provides support for user "game-protect" to try and extort forum members.

OgN also left G-P this neg feedback on the same day:
Useless alt of an addicted gambler. Ignore him and his blackmail front masquerading as a service.

I assumed OgN thought G-P was actually Me and his "Remove It..." pm was referring to the neg feedback he received from G-P and responded:

Ok, I just saw your neg trust on my profile.
I am not games-protect.

Technically I was the first to "bring it up" but it was just an elephant in the room up till then.


It's also worth mentioning that the same day G-P left OgN his neg feedback, on another forum (twoplustwo) a longtime poster that I had literally never had any interaction with or recognized posted the following in the Betcoin thread: (bobbo is a mod)

Bobbo I don't know if you know this or not but you are arguing with TwitchySeal or his proxy who is a well known mentally ill malcontent.  I would recommend just ignoring him and/or banning him before this gets even worse.  Check bitcointalk if you don't believe me.

He hasn't posted in the thread since and has ignored a couple pms from me asking why he said what he did about me.  
(If anyone knows who he is here, let me know, I really just want to know the truth)


It's also worth mentioning my relationship with G-P.  Across 3 different forums we've exchanged maybe 4 pms ever.  I agree with a lot of what he says and consider him a valuable resource in fighting unethical casinos.  However, I am very wary about the services he offers on his website so at first I left him neutral trust warning people to use caution when considering his services. Over the past few weeks I've revised my feedback a few times.  Just keep changing my mind.
I added positive feedback thanking him for his efforts and the info he has made public about unethical casinos.
Then I felt bad about the neutral rep and removed it after seeing all the shit he was getting and also because it was partially based on someone else's opinion from another forum rather than facts.
Then I changed my mind again and was worried my trust would be interpreted as an endorsement for his website, which I am honestly unsure of, so I removed the positive trust and currently have only the following neutral trust:

Shares valuable info to help make it more difficult for online sites to get away with scummy behavior.
That being said, this is not a vouche for their site or services.


I want to be clear though, my feedback for G-P has literally nothing to do with OgNastys threats, pms or the feedback he left me.
I have no issue with why or how G-P went about dealing with OgN.  In fact It's very possible I will soon be leaving anyone who promotes Betcoin negative feedback.

I think it's pathetic and alarming the number of people who have no problem accepting money from Betcoin to advertise for them and then not only refuse to accept any responsibility whatsoever for their actions, they act as if they are the victims.  I think many actually believe it!:

 

Take some responsibility and let other people be responsible for who they choose to gamble with.  I couldn't care less.  As far as I'm concerned all gambling sites are scams that prey on people's addictions.  Trying to say that I deserve negative feedback because of which scam won my auction is once again ridiculous.

wtf?^^^

[TwitchySeal]

Edit: TBH I couldn't care less about the alt part. It looks like OgNasty offered a reasonable solution but somehow this still got escalated out of proportion:

You do realize that is the forum's policy, right?

If you were to remove your negative trust, I can put in a policy that companies with negative trust can no longer bid on my signature advertising slot.  This would mean I would no longer be advertising for betcoin.ag (or similar untrusted organizations) at the end of this month.

That is the best I can do without breaking the contract I have in place, and is a final attempt at compromise to end this feud with you.

Regardless of this situation and how it played out, OgNasty should add a clause like that to their contract with advertisers.
If they are not ready to refund the advertisers and don't want to break their contract either, a rule like that is the only way to get out of being tied up in a month-long contract with a company you can't/won't advertise for.
Not just with betcoin, but also with any future advertising partners (imagine a company turning outright scam at the second of a month and you continuing to advertise them for 30 days without any reaction/comment).

Or he could just end every post with:

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<---Do Not Play Here I sold it to one of the most SCUMMY Bitcoin Casinos in the world!

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Scummy 1000% SCUM Bags!

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Dishonest I was too lazy to research

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Liars Good thing someone told me

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Scummy Thanks TwitchySeal!

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Or...


Ignore my signature, Betcoin is not trustworthy. 
They paid the most and I want money.
Luckily they paid up front

[suchmoon]

It's all unnecessarily convoluted but since Og is not going to respond here the only feasible option seems to be for Twitchy to step back and accept that OgNasty will see through his agreement with Betcoin for the current month. He did provide a logical explanation - even if not satisfactory to Twitchy - why he's not removing the sig right now (contractual obligation). After that if he doesn't add a neg trust clause and/or continues with Betcoin ads then Twitchy might have a point. Until then I just don't see any possible positive outcome from trying to escalate this further.