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August 14, 2016, 03:51:18 PM
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=538922;sa=showPosts;start=1140  Everyone who looks at his first posts (back from 2015) and doesn't realize how the account is a shill is [insert random borderline insulting word here].
His account is a shill for what?

Did not find anything indicating that this is not his account  Huh

Do you know the meaning of facts ?

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On this forum, anybody can be bought. Green trusted user or not. In Ognasty's case his price is 1btc. Even if you are a proven scam site like Betcoin. All you need is 1 btc and his "trusted" account will advertise you. Then the  hypocritical mods would turn a blind eye but would happily red trust other accounts for promoting ponzis and other services they are not affiliated with. Save your energy TwitchySeal,  just read through the 1000 btc giveaway thread, to see the kind of people you are dealing with.
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(Oh, and don't move to ad-hominem attacking me next! As surely, that'll be your way of changing the subject, yes?)
Just be glad you aren't wearing a paid signature. "You guys at YoBit are so worried about betcoin dominating the gambling market so you have to attack them instead"  Grin or "SatoshiGames.io is worried about betcoin' a competition so they hired you to attack them!" or in my case, apparently I'm a cryptogames affiliate.


(Oh, and don't move to ad-hominem attacking me next! As surely, that'll be your way of changing the subject, yes?)

I made a point that his involvement in the case is personal since his whole history is nothing but betcoin trolling/attacking, while mine is not.
Also, i never received anything other than a sig.payment from them but it's funny how both of you insinuate such things when someone doesn't agree with you.

Someone posting every day for over a year, bashing and attacking specific services - they are either mentally unstable or acting out of another interest.
You should know very well by now since you have been following the betcoin accusations that they often reward people for defending them. You should also know that they give bonuses at the end of each stage of the campaign, and that defending them probably raises your chances of getting it.

Btw, with your paid signature argument, did you realize that most, if not all of the people defending betcoin are wearing betcoin.ag signatures?

On this forum, anybody can be bought. Green trusted user or not. In Ognasty's case his price is 1btc. Even if you are a proven scam site like Betcoin. All you need is 1 btc and his "trusted" account will advertise you. Then the  hypocritical mods would turn a blind eye but would happily red trust other accounts for promoting ponzis and other services they are not affiliated with. Save your energy TwitchySeal,  just read through the 1000 btc giveaway thread, to see the kind of people you are dealing with.
OGNasty did offer to add a term in future sales that red trusted accounts couldn't buy his signature space.

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On this forum, anybody can be bought. Green trusted user or not. In Ognasty's case his price is 1btc. Even if you are a proven scam site like Betcoin. All you need is 1 btc and his "trusted" account will advertise you. Then the  hypocritical mods would turn a blind eye but would happily red trust other accounts for promoting ponzis and other services they are not affiliated with. Save your energy TwitchySeal,  just read through the 1000 btc giveaway thread, to see the kind of people you are dealing with.
OGNasty did offer to add a term in future sales that red trusted accounts couldn't buy his signature space.

Until then he is advertising a scam, knowingly so. The scam patrol is afraid of him, and wont red trust him.
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(Oh, and don't move to ad-hominem attacking me next! As surely, that'll be your way of changing the subject, yes?)

I made a point that his involvement in the case is personal since his whole history is nothing but betcoin trolling/attacking, while mine is not.
Also, i never received anything other than a sig.payment from them but it's funny how both of you insinuate such things when someone doesn't agree with you.

Someone posting every day for over a year, bashing and attacking specific services - they are either mentally unstable or acting out of another interest.



what is wrong with attacking proven scam site while you and clones of yours non-stop defending scams?



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August 17, 2016, 07:47:45 AM
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Seems many people want to join this campaign after OgNasty  became the campaign manager xD
Things are now in favor of betcoin.ag  Grin

What? Is he a manager or is he just participating in campaign?

He's the manager of this campaign and I think he's participating in the campaign also not sure about this.
I know this question came into your mind after you took a look @ this signatures  Grin

He is only participating as a user, not as a manager.
Don't know what made you think that he is, because there was never talk about him being anything more than a simple member of the campaign.

Hi guys. In order to clarify OgNasty is not a manager and I really do not know who told you that.

1 BTC for wearing the signature, that is interesting.  Smiley

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Edit: Instead of responding to this thread, OgN added another accusation to my neg feedback "Posts out of context edited PMs in an attempt to discredit forum members"
Here are the screen shots of every single pm I've had with OgN:
INBOX  -  SENT


I will be directing anyone who thinks OGNastys high level of trust has anything to do with the site he chooses to promote in his signature (Betcoin.ag) to this thread.  Example

To avoid being accused of putting a spin on what really happened, I've included every pm between OGNasty and myself.  The only editing was removing re-quotes to make it easier to read.  I'm happy to provide screenshots or give a trusted member/mod access to my account to verify everything is authentic.  




Hi,

I'm disappointed to see you have decided to promote Betcoin.ag  Are you aware of the scam accusations made against them that they have refused to address?

I'm not affiliated with any site, just a professional online poker player with over 10 million hands played on various sites that believes Bitcoin has the potential to solve many of the problems my industry faces.

If you are unfamiliar with the issues with Betcoin.ag, would you be willing to hear me out?  I'm happy to explain any or all and provide evidence.

TwitchySeal




I've been contacted by several members today about their issues.  There's really nothing I can do about it at this point.  I took their money to advertise for the month.  At the end of the month I can certainly try to find a replacement advertiser who has a better reputation, but not many people are willing to pay several hundred dollars for a signature ad.

If I were you, I wouldn't take it as a sign I am vouching for them.  Take it for what it is, I am taking their money for a limited advertisement.



It doesn't matter how I take it, I already know about Betcoin.ag  It's how people who don't know about Betcoin.ag take it that concerns me.

You are one of the most trusted/respected members on this forum and every post you've made now includes a promotion for Betcoin claiming they are "the most trusted bitcoin and litecoin casino".  The reason they are paying you so much is because of your reputation.

Betcoin has many issues.  The biggest issue, however, is how they handle all the smaller ones.  They don't.  They simply ignore players who have issues.  For the last couple months literally the only place they would respond was in their signature campaign thread.

They recently switched to a self moderated thread, their final post before locking the old one:

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We love all of our great signature campaign members!!! We thank you very much!  We have decided to follow the advice and we have created a new topic here:

Special welcome to our newest campaign member:  OgNasty, whose profile speaks for itself: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=18321

We will continue to provide one of the best campaigns and services to our great members and players.  This thread is closed.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1571148


Betcoin is trying to buy a reputation they don't deserve.

Please give them their money back and stop allowing them to leach off your good reputation.

You clearly want me to stop advertising for them, so if you'd like to send me 1 BTC, I'll happily refund them and find a new advertiser.

I just want you to understand that your decision to promote Betcoin will have a very real effect on individuals and communities.  If you're interested I'd be happy to elaborate on what kind of effects they will be and provide evidence to back it up.

If you're just interested in selling your signature and reputation to the highest bidder, I'm definitely wasting my time.

I've been extremely vocal that I think signature campaigns are evil.  I've done everything I can to bring a stop to them.  I've even made proposals to limit them to extremes.  I also think that gambling is evil and do not support or condone it in any way, nor do I participate.

We are all adults here.  Everyone knows it is a paid signature.  Easy for you to say to give the money back, but unless you want to put your money where your mouth is, please spare me the lectures.



I go on vacation and don't log on for a few days.  When I return, I see ognasty has left me negative feedback.

And the following message:



Remove it...

Hi,
I've been traveling and honestly not sure what you're referring to.
Ok, I just saw your neg trust on my profile.
I am not games-protect.

I will not be bullied or extorted into not fulfilling my promises to paid advertisers.

"Provides support for user "game-protect" to try and extort forum members."

Care to elaborate?

Who am I extorting?  How?

I don't want to argue.  You've provided trust for a user who is using his trust to blackmail me into either paying BTC or not fulfilling my signature auction responsibilities.  

I don't want to discuss it any further.  "game-protect" and anyone associated with the trust chain is guilty of extortion by default in the same manner I am guilty for who won my signature auction, only difference is the winner of my signature auction was beyond my control.  

I hope this explains my stance.  So long as the negative feedback exists, the extortion attempt is valid and I will not be altering my trust stance.  No further discussion on this issue is necessary.
Have I been disrespectful to you in any way?

I didn't mean to if so.

I'm trying to make a difference doing what, in my honest opinion, is the right thing.  I'm not affiliated with any business, I'm just someone with a passion for bitcoin and also a very experienced online poker player.
I'd like to request permission to make our communications via pm public.

Obviously making a private conversation public in an attempt to discredit me further would result in more negative feedback.

How about not giving trust to an alt account in order to attempt to extort me?


My goal isn't to discredit you.  It's obvious you have little or no respect for me, I just want the truth to be known.  How should I respond when people defend Betcoin by pointing out one of the most trusted members on the forum promotes them.  Example: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=717790.msg15796624#msg15796624

Will you make a thread with all of our communications made public please?  Or at least explain your stance of gambling and sig campaigns being evil/you're only doing it for the money and would remove sig for 1btc?


Who you trust or don't trust is your decision.  I've never asked anyone to trust me or untrust anyone else and I'm not going to ask you either.  

You should know though, until a few days ago I had another feedback with games-protect I have since removed because he made a good point and am still questioning myself whether or not I should put it back.

I will not remove my current comment because I believe it to be true.  He has helped expose several unethical casinos and likely saved people a lot of money.  I don't take anything

I don't know what your talking about as far as extortion, and I can't consider it if you won't explain yourself.




We are both active on other forums and have some history, the "todd" I'm referring to is Todd Witilles the owner of pokerfraudalert.com

http://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/showthread.php?11404-Betcoin-ag-Scams-Scandals-and-Shadiness-Galore

Most likely you don't even give a shit about any of this so I'll stop rambling - if you do though, I'm happy to discuss anything.  I'd like to in fact.

The user threatened to left me negative feedback unless I send funds back to the purchaser of my signature auction and remove the signature.  That is extortion and I have 0 respect for people who try to bully me.  I also have 0 tolerance for this type of behavior.  If you guys want to pick a fight with one of the most trusted people and employees of this forum as some sort of vengeance scheme, good luck.  It isn't that I don't respect you, it is that I don't respect this extorting behavior and have 0 tolerance for it or anyone that supports it.

I have made my comments about signature campaigns publicly known.  I'm not going to go back searching through threads to try and find my comments or waste any more time explaining why giving a user negative feedback for who won their auction is ridiculous, or waste my time pointing out that they bought my signature and anyone is welcome to do so.  If you choose who is trustworthy by who spends the most on advertising, you have a long hard life ahead of you.  Take some responsibility and let other people be responsible for who they choose to gamble with.  I couldn't care less.  As far as I'm concerned all gambling sites are scams that prey on people's addictions.  Trying to say that I deserve negative feedback because of which scam won my auction is once again ridiculous.

This forum has a policy of not moderating scams.  I have also been vocal about removal of this policy, but it is simply too big of a task.  I don't know what sort of background investigations you expect me to perform on advertisers who buy my signature, but if you guys think that I spend literally any time caring, you are mistaken.  I put the space up for auction, people bid, I provide the winner with what I say.  Nothing about this makes me untrusted and aligning yourself with someone who wishes to attempt to extort me into bowing to their demands will only make you look bad to this community as a whole, as that user is a red painted extorting piece of shit, and I'm a user who has helped thousands of members on this forum, has one of the highest trust ratings of anyone here, and is literally paid for my contributions here.

Please do not continue baiting me into PMs for the purpose of trying to make me look bad.  I'm in the right here.  You guys are obviously in the wrong and using extortion techniques as a means for control will continue to disappoint you.

I strongly disagree with the way you justify promoting Betcoin.ag and will be creating a thread about your stance and argument you've presented tomorrow.

This has absolutely nothing to do with your neg rep comment you left me and everything to do with what you consider "extortion" and your rationale behind/what I believe the result will be from your decision to promote Betcoin.ag  I will be leaving negative feedback for everyone that promotes Betcoin.ag this week.

I don't want to start a war with you or anyone, this is just an attempt at being transparent with my thoughts .    I do not intend to do any damage to your reputation.  (I'm also not naive enough to think I could)   The way you are handling this really bothers me , I feel like maybe  I'm not doing a good job of explaining the situation and hopefully someone you respect will see the thread and say something that makes you look at things from a perspective you aren't now.  Or several perspectives.  


Not my stance dude.  It's the forum's stance.  If you don't like it, you can leave.  Burning your account trust to try and prove some point about me providing exactly what I said I would provide to the winner of my signature auction only makes you look foolish.  

I've said I agree with you about gambling, scams, signatures...  I even said I would not let them advertise when their month contract is up.  You seem to not agree with me about how much time and effort I should put into vetting gambling sites, or any other site that chooses to buy my signature advertising.  You think I should research every single member here and put up auction rules banning them in advance.  You're ridiculous, your stance is ridiculous, the way you're trying to handle it is ridiculous, and you're going to lose any shred of credibility you think you have by continuing forward with this course of action.

You think I should not honor the terms of my auction, or I am untrustworthy.  Even going as far as to attempt to join in on an extortion attempt.  This will end poorly for you.
He ordered me to send my BTC to another party or he was going to retaliate.  That's extortion.  Pretty simple.




Edit: A day or so after creating this thread I sent OgN the following pm and received a response.

Hi,

Just wanted to make sure you were aware of this thread so that I won't incorrectly assume you are choosing not to respond.  
I've been waiting to discuss my opinion for you to respond.  I've tried to approach the situation as objectively and transparently as possible.

Also I would appreciate it if you let me know who or what led you to conclude that Games-Direct is my alt.  
I think it's a safe assumption that you didn't reach this conclusion on your own, but I could be wrong I suppose.

Thanks,

TwitchySeal
I've wasted more than enough time responding to your extortion attempts.  Welcome to my ignore/block list.



Edit: OgN has changed the feedback he left me:



(I deny all of his accusation and have posted screen shots of all the pms I've received from him at top of thread)


Having a vendetta against Betcoin.ag and dragging in other members to remove their advertising and twisting shit up makes me give you the red you deserve.

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Having a vendetta against Betcoin.ag and dragging in other members to remove their advertising and twisting shit up makes me give you the red you deserve.

Now why do people think that quoting a long post to in turn write a tiny one is a good idea? Just reply naturally, seriously.

First off: I'm not sure about what was twisted. Secondly, have you seen this post about all of Betcoin's problems?

Please read it, and avoid using ad hominem to say that the evidence is invalid - because it's not. If that doesn't change your opinion then not much more would.

Better I answer here.....instead of making a 3rd edit....of adding feedback to the Scammer gameprotect  Roll Eyes which no doubt is either Twitchy himself (which I believe is that jason jackpot guy)

(from Og thread)

Please stop. Making these ridiculous connections with accounts only makes you look more ignorant. Also, if you know about the problem with the Betsoft jackpot, then why would you still trust Betcoin? It doesn't make much sense - a player wins a jackpot, the casino refuses to pay out and ignores him for several days, then offers him a settlement to shut up and promote Betcoin (in a few posts anyway). How is that trustworthy exactly?

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OgNasty gave me the following negative trust feedback:

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Useless alt of an addicted gambler. Ignore him and his blackmail front masquerading as a service.

I did not understand until today what he means, but after his statements here, I think I know now:

TwitchySeal is an addicted gambler and my game-protect account is an useless alt of TwitchySeal  LOOOL

Still no idea what "blackmail front masquerading" means, but I think the first sentence is solved.

What do you think Twitchy?

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-snip a ton of quotes-

Having a vendetta against Betcoin.ag and dragging in other members to remove their advertising and twisting shit up makes me give you the red you deserve.
LOL, so you had to quote a ton to just respond with one sentence? Is this real?


Having a vendetta against Betcoin.ag and dragging in other members to remove their advertising and twisting shit up makes me give you the red you deserve.

Now why do people think that quoting a long post to in turn write a tiny one is a good idea? Just reply naturally, seriously.

First off: I'm not sure about what was twisted. Secondly, have you seen this post about all of Betcoin's problems?

Please read it, and avoid using ad hominem to say that the evidence is invalid - because it's not. If that doesn't change your opinion then not much more would.

Better I answer here.....instead of making a 3rd edit....of adding feedback to the Scammer gameprotect  Roll Eyes which no doubt is either Twitchy himself (which I believe is that jason jackpot guy)

(from Og thread)

Please stop. Making these ridiculous connections with accounts only makes you look more ignorant. Also, if you know about the problem with the Betsoft jackpot, then why would you still trust Betcoin? It doesn't make much sense - a player wins a jackpot, the casino refuses to pay out and ignores him for several days, then offers him a settlement to shut up and promote Betcoin (in a few posts anyway). How is that trustworthy exactly?

I don't mind explaining, since you want some attention  Roll Eyes in your thread attacking Betcoin.ag and OgNasty Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Whether it be long or short, I will include the quote that I am responding to. You can post/quote/do as you wish.  I will do as I wish.

LOL NOPE the connection between the accounts/persons is obvious to me.    

The vendetta against Betcoin.ag is what makes you just someone talking noise.

I appreciated reading what happened with that jason guy.  Thanks for the heads up.  I can make my own decision of what I want to do.  Don't think everyone is gonna get on your hate band wagon against Betcoin.ag.

For what it's worth:

Betcoin.ag DID NOT HAVE TO PAY HIM SHIT
Betcoin.ag ONLY paid him because they thought about their reputation (which was wise decision more $ to be made in the long run)
Jason ACCEPTED THE SETTLEMENT because HE HAS NO RECOURSE HE WAS LUCKY TO GET WHATEVER THEY GAVE HIM

All things between the 2 are FINISHED

now piss off I've given you enough of my time........silly kids  Roll Eyes

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August 22, 2016, 07:51:27 AM
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OgNasty gave me the following negative trust feedback:

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Useless alt of an addicted gambler. Ignore him and his blackmail front masquerading as a service.

I did not understand until today what he means, but after his statements here, I think I know now:

TwitchySeal is an addicted gambler and my game-protect account is an useless alt of TwitchySeal -> LOOOL

Still no idea what "blackmail front masquerading" means, but I think the first sentence is solved...

What do you think Twitchy?

I think he means that game-protect.com is pretending to be a useful service, but actually is just a way of making money for you. I'm not familiar with your site or the services it offers, and after a quick glance at it I'm still quite unclear. I don't see how you are blackmailing anyone though, so that doesn't make much sense to me.

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August 23, 2016, 04:39:39 AM
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For what it's worth:

Betcoin.ag DID NOT HAVE TO PAY HIM SHIT
Correct. They did have to pay him a ton of Bitcoins...

I said they DID NOT.  man dude you can't read or understand english for shit  Roll Eyes


Betcoin.ag ONLY paid him because they thought about their reputation (which was wise decision more $ to be made in the long run)
Why would they lose their non-existing reputation, if they would not pay a jackpot no one won? Does not make much sense  Roll Eyes

LOL @ "more $ to be made in the long". In the long run, Betcoin will go out of business. Their game is over...  Cheesy

I don't know haven't looked.  Cannot accept your words on that.  However, I still see their name in signatures.  So, I have to assume they are still in business.


Jason ACCEPTED THE SETTLEMENT because HE HAS NO RECOURSE HE WAS LUCKY TO GET WHATEVER THEY GAVE HIM
There is no settlement! You can not have settlements with domain names. Roll Eyes

The word settlement is used to simplify things.  Otherwise, I have to type out more words like: He was offered $ and he accepted it. To which, he is nothing but noise now. If they were a scam they wouldn't of paid him shit.  But, there is more $ to be made to why not pay him a little.

All things between the 2 are FINISHED
In your fantasy dream world maybe... Cheesy

I'm sure you feel important running around this forum wanting a response.  I'm happy as always to bitch slap you  Kiss

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August 23, 2016, 07:40:37 AM
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1) He means...

Lutpin/TwitchySeal/game-protect is literally just attacking any account who advertises signatures from campaigns he isn't running...  Just take a look at some of their feedbacks to see just how obvious and ridiculous his scam has gotten: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=154329
"He even started an account game-protect to try and sell a service where he extorts online gambling houses into paying him or else they get attacked." - Again, this is wrong.

I've never had any trouble from Lutpin, Twitchy or game-protect. I advertise Just-Dice in my signature, and run the campaign myself.

I would be surprised if Twitchy was the same person as game-protect. The English on the game-protect site is pretty poor. It reads like someone who either doesn't have English as their first language:

"a player act fraudulent"
"our researches revealed"
"After you subscribed to Game Protect, please submit ..."
"Only issues arose after your payment are eligible"
"Casino account protect service"

I've read a bunch of Twitchy's posts (because he and I appear to be similarly frustrated with betcoin.ag's shady practices, so I often see him posting in the various betcoin.ag threads) and never noticed grammar errors like these.

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August 28, 2017, 08:35:34 PM
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Well it's been just a little over a year since I created this thread. I haven't been active for the past several months, and just spent some time skimming over the drama OGNasty has been involved in recently.  I am 0 % surprised by any of it.

I hate to see anyone just "get away with" scummy behavior because it was forgotten.  So, I'm making this post to bring attention to it.  If anyone is interested, please:

- Read this threads OP.

- Go through OGNasty's reputation and check out any references from Neg trust.

- Ask questions if anything isn't clear. ( This stuff is complicated )




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