There are no illegal immigrants in the us only UNDOCUMENTED ones

[Masha Sha]

They are funny with their narratives...

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[bryant.coleman]

Better to brand them as criminals. In Saudi Arabia, if you try to cross the border illegally, you will be shot. The situation is the same in most of the countries around the world. It is extremely hard to immigrate to the US legally. Legal immigrants have to wait for 5 years or more, to get a chance. And we have all these criminals, who just jump the border and enjoy all the facilities.

[Masha Sha]

They aren't criminal but future democrats captive electorate and like their model (Bill Clinton) they rape... Nothing new

[BADecker]

We could get into the various areas of logic about this. The thing to understand is that the topic title is talking about semantics.

Legal language (legalese) is a separate language... in America, anyway. It is the language of government and the courts. It looks like English, and it is similar to English, and within itself it might even be called English, but if you are not a judge or attorney in court, you don't speak or write legalese, even if you write all kinds of court cases and codes and statutes.

The language you are writing and speaking is common language. Some of it is almost exactly the same as legalese, but if you are not an attorney, judge, or other member of the BAR Association, it isn't legal language.

In common language, there are no illegal immigrants. Neither are there any undocumented ones. There is common talk that says there are both. But the talk is only talk, because common law has no authority to make anyone legal or undocumented except that it goes through the legal process.

There is only one way to remain in common law while you use the legal process. That is through the federal (often United States) district courts, which are found in every state. When you present your claim in any of these courts, in the format of "In Jon Doe's (you being Jon) court at such and such federal district court," only then can you operate with any strength at (not in) any of their courts. But you still have to stay in your court, and not give yourself over to their jurisdiction.

You stay in common law by using a jury made up of common people. You never let the judge do any legal prescribing, and certainly not judging. The jury is the judge. The jury is the tribunal. The judge is only a magistrate... a referee.

A guy named Edward Johnston said it like this on facebook, but he probably wasn't saying it legally:

CORPUS JURIS SECUNDUM (legal encyclopedia) vol 25 section 344, Federal District Courts are courts of record. A court of record has the power to fine or imprison for contempt. It proceeds under the common law, not a statute or a code. The tribunal is independent of the magistrate.

No statutes, cops, lawyers, or judge that is anything more than a spectator, a referee

Amendment VII
In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

Did you catch that yet? In suits at common law...according to the rules of the common law.
All federal courts are Article III courts under the Constitution.
All federal courts are courts of record.
All state courts are common law courts.

In other words, if you don't give them the authority, you are in common law court, not civil legal court. But they are shrewd. They will pull you into their jurisdiction if they can get away with it.

[bryant.coleman]

They aren't criminal but future democrats captive electorate and like their model (Bill Clinton) they rape... Nothing new

99% of the illegal immigrants do support the Democrat Party, as evident from various opinion polls. It tells a lot about a political party, when they rely on felons, illegal immigrants, and people who sympathize with terrorist organizations like ISIS for votes. Democratic Party represents the low life scum living in the United States.

[Spendulus]

They aren't criminal but future democrats captive electorate and like their model (Bill Clinton) they rape... Nothing new

99% of the illegal immigrants do support the Democrat Party, as evident from various opinion polls. It tells a lot about a political party, when they rely on felons, illegal immigrants, and people who sympathize with terrorist organizations like ISIS for votes. Democratic Party represents the low life scum living in the United States.

Seems that's the current and future direction.  Don't forget the behind-closed-doors deals with Iran and Saudi Arabia.

It did not used to be that way.

[DooMAD]

It tells a lot about a political party, when they rely on felons, illegal immigrants, and people who sympathize with terrorist organizations like ISIS for votes. Democratic Party represents the low life scum living in the United States.

There was certainly discussion of allowing undocumented migrants to vote, but I wasn't aware this had been passed into law.  How can the Democratic Party rely on votes from people who have yet to gain the right to vote?  They can't.  It tells a lot about the Republican Party, when their supporters rely on spreading falsehoods to attempt to sway public opinion.

You remind me of the average British pensioner who genuinely believes illegal immigrants hop off a boat and join some magical queue where they hand out free houses, cars and mobile devices.  Does it not occur to any of you that the very fact they've arrived illegally means they don't qualify for state welfare, or in the case of this particular discussion, voting rights?  Cloud-cuckoo-land, the lot of you.  You're certainly not helping to dispel the notion that right wing bigots aren't very intelligent.

[signup01]

what is the difference between illegal and undocumented? Because the document can make something become legal and valid. I think there is a politic issue behind those immigrants.

[mOgliE]

It tells a lot about a political party, when they rely on felons, illegal immigrants, and people who sympathize with terrorist organizations like ISIS for votes. Democratic Party represents the low life scum living in the United States.

There was certainly discussion of allowing undocumented migrants to vote, but I wasn't aware this had been passed into law.  How can the Democratic Party rely on votes from people who have yet to gain the right to vote?  They can't.  It tells a lot about the Republican Party, when their supporters rely on spreading falsehoods to attempt to sway public opinion.

You remind me of the average British pensioner who genuinely believes illegal immigrants hop off a boat and join some magical queue where they hand out free houses, cars and mobile devices.  Does it not occur to any of you that the very fact they've arrived illegally means they don't qualify for state welfare, or in the case of this particular discussion, voting rights?  Cloud-cuckoo-land, the lot of you.  You're certainly not helping to dispel the notion that right wing bigots aren't very intelligent.

Thank you for bringing some reasons here!
Illegal migrants have no right, no vote, no health care or subvention or free money or free house or whatever....
The only thing they get is that if they're sick we take them to hospital, talking about "privileged"...

[Masha Sha]

It tells a lot about a political party, when they rely on felons, illegal immigrants, and people who sympathize with terrorist organizations like ISIS for votes. Democratic Party represents the low life scum living in the United States.

There was certainly discussion of allowing undocumented migrants to vote, but I wasn't aware this had been passed into law.  How can the Democratic Party rely on votes from people who have yet to gain the right to vote?  They can't.  It tells a lot about the Republican Party, when their supporters rely on spreading falsehoods to attempt to sway public opinion.

You remind me of the average British pensioner who genuinely believes illegal immigrants hop off a boat and join some magical queue where they hand out free houses, cars and mobile devices.  Does it not occur to any of you that the very fact they've arrived illegally means they don't qualify for state welfare, or in the case of this particular discussion, voting rights?  Cloud-cuckoo-land, the lot of you.  You're certainly not helping to dispel the notion that right wing bigots aren't very intelligent.

Thank you for bringing some reasons here!
Illegal migrants have no right, no vote, no health care or subvention or free money or free house or whatever....
The only thing they get is that if they're sick we take them to hospital, talking about "privileged"...

How wrong you are, you have no idea... Look at California...

[designerusa]

They aren't criminal but future democrats captive electorate and like their model (Bill Clinton) they rape... Nothing new

99% of the illegal immigrants do support the Democrat Party, as evident from various opinion polls. It tells a lot about a political party, when they rely on felons, illegal immigrants, and people who sympathize with terrorist organizations like ISIS for votes. Democratic Party represents the low life scum living in the United States.

you are completely wrong. Democrat party is taking sides with odd fellows. Its members wants to stand up immigrant's rights.On the contrary to that, Repuclicans want to suppress the poor ones for sure.

[Masha Sha]

They aren't criminal but future democrats captive electorate and like their model (Bill Clinton) they rape... Nothing new

99% of the illegal immigrants do support the Democrat Party, as evident from various opinion polls. It tells a lot about a political party, when they rely on felons, illegal immigrants, and people who sympathize with terrorist organizations like ISIS for votes. Democratic Party represents the low life scum living in the United States.

you are completely wrong. Democrat party is taking sides with odd fellows. Its members wants to stand up immigrant's rights.On the contrary to that, Repuclicans want to suppress the poor ones for sure.

Democrats will use every tools and strategies to be elected... For only one aim: $ and power to get even more $.

All what they say is part to their strategy...

Never forget Obama with all his flaws was and still is an outsiders... If Hillary get in you will see...

[bryant.coleman]

Thank you for bringing some reasons here!
Illegal migrants have no right, no vote, no health care or subvention or free money or free house or whatever....
The only thing they get is that if they're sick we take them to hospital, talking about "privileged"...

Right now, in the United States the illegal aliens are having all these benefits. The Republicans tried to block healthcare access to the illegal aliens in November 1994 (California Proposition 187, better known as "Save Our State", supported by 59% of the voters). But that measure was repealed by the Democrat Governor Gray Davis in 1999.

[DooMAD]

Thank you for bringing some reasons here!
Illegal migrants have no right, no vote, no health care or subvention or free money or free house or whatever....
The only thing they get is that if they're sick we take them to hospital, talking about "privileged"...

Right now, in the United States the illegal aliens are having all these benefits. The Republicans tried to block healthcare access to the illegal aliens in November 1994 (California Proposition 187, better known as "Save Our State", supported by 59% of the voters). But that measure was repealed by the Democrat Governor Gray Davis in 1999.

Oh no, they're allowing human beings to recover from illness/injury and live.  What a travesty.  

Seriously, you'd go as far as saying that people who happened to be born in a different arbitrarily defined set of borders deserve to die because they're not within the correct lines on a map?  Yeah, that totally solves the problem, right?

Also, are you now conceding that illegal immigrants can't, in fact, vote for the Dems and your previous little outburst was entirely the product of your vivid imagination, combined with Chinese whispers from uninformed bigots to embellish, exaggerate and distort facts to suit their xenophobic agenda?

[bryant.coleman]

Thank you for bringing some reasons here!
Illegal migrants have no right, no vote, no health care or subvention or free money or free house or whatever....
The only thing they get is that if they're sick we take them to hospital, talking about "privileged"...

Right now, in the United States the illegal aliens are having all these benefits. The Republicans tried to block healthcare access to the illegal aliens in November 1994 (California Proposition 187, better known as "Save Our State", supported by 59% of the voters). But that measure was repealed by the Democrat Governor Gray Davis in 1999.

Oh no, they're allowing human beings to recover from illness/injury and live.  What a travesty.  

Seriously, you'd go as far as saying that people who happened to be born in a different arbitrarily defined set of borders deserve to die because they're not within the correct lines on a map?  Yeah, that totally solves the problem, right?

Also, are you now conceding that illegal immigrants can't, in fact, vote for the Dems and your previous little outburst was entirely the product of your vivid imagination, combined with Chinese whispers from uninformed bigots to embellish, exaggerate and distort facts to suit their xenophobic agenda?

Go and study the Proposition 187.

We are not saying that emergency medical care must be denied to the illegal immigrants from Mexico and El Salvador. In all the 50 states of the US, the illegal aliens can get emergency medical care for free (funded by law abiding citizens).

We are just saying that if the illegal immigrant want a breast enhancement surgery or a Brazilian Butt Lift, then he/she must spend her own money to get it done (because they don't pay any taxes). Understood?

[DooMAD]

Thank you for bringing some reasons here!
Illegal migrants have no right, no vote, no health care or subvention or free money or free house or whatever....
The only thing they get is that if they're sick we take them to hospital, talking about "privileged"...

Right now, in the United States the illegal aliens are having all these benefits. The Republicans tried to block healthcare access to the illegal aliens in November 1994 (California Proposition 187, better known as "Save Our State", supported by 59% of the voters). But that measure was repealed by the Democrat Governor Gray Davis in 1999.

Oh no, they're allowing human beings to recover from illness/injury and live.  What a travesty.  

Seriously, you'd go as far as saying that people who happened to be born in a different arbitrarily defined set of borders deserve to die because they're not within the correct lines on a map?  Yeah, that totally solves the problem, right?

Also, are you now conceding that illegal immigrants can't, in fact, vote for the Dems and your previous little outburst was entirely the product of your vivid imagination, combined with Chinese whispers from uninformed bigots to embellish, exaggerate and distort facts to suit their xenophobic agenda?

Go and study the Proposition 187.

We are not saying that emergency medical care must be denied to the illegal immigrants from Mexico and El Salvador. In all the 50 states of the US, the illegal aliens can get emergency medical care for free (funded by law abiding citizens).

We are just saying that if the illegal immigrant want a breast enhancement surgery or a Brazilian Butt Lift, then he/she must spend her own money to get it done (because they don't pay any taxes). Understood?

Healthcare != Cosmetic Surgery.

Don't completely change the argument just because someone calls you out on your BS.

And they still can't vote.

[bryant.coleman]

And they still can't vote.

http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/illegals-in-california-could-decide-election/
http://eaglerising.com/31596/california-allows-non-citizens-to-vote-which-is-illegal-so-every-california-vote-should-be-disqualified/
http://www.breitbart.com/california/2015/10/12/gov-jerry-brown-signs-bill-allowing-illegal-aliens-vote/

The Democrats are doing their bit in helping the illegals to vote in the elections. Right now only a minority of them are being able to vote. But once Hitlery is elected as the POTUS, all of them will be given voting rights.

[DooMAD]

And they still can't vote.

http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/illegals-in-california-could-decide-election/
http://eaglerising.com/31596/california-allows-non-citizens-to-vote-which-is-illegal-so-every-california-vote-should-be-disqualified/
http://www.breitbart.com/california/2015/10/12/gov-jerry-brown-signs-bill-allowing-illegal-aliens-vote/

The Democrats are doing their bit in helping the illegals to vote in the elections. Right now only a minority of them are being able to vote. But once Hitlery is elected as the POTUS, all of them will be given voting rights.

Pffft... Really?  So assuming someone wishes to completely jeopardise their chance to remain illegally in the US and they actually manage to convince the state to issue a valid drivers' licence on the basis of some fraudulent, counterfeit ones they'd have to submit as part of their application, just so they can cast a ballot, it's going to skew the election results?  They're still not allowed to vote.

And you genuinely believe this is some sort of Dem conspiracy to win votes?

Wow.  If that's your idea of a perceived threat to the American Way™, I'd hate to see what a real threat looks like.  I'd have thought that level of paranoia would require medical intervention.  Would you like me to fetch the men in white coats for you?  

[criptix]

I don't get it.
Somehow the US is the only nation in the world where illegal and undocumented immigrants somehow (I still dont know how) get welfare and do vote the government?

I guess old Europe is still much more sane then the USA.

Edit
I guess I take it back. Here is something very interesting to read:

https://m.reddit.com/r/AskTrumpSupporters/comments/4kiz75/do_illegal_immigrants_receive_welfare_social/

[Moloch]

what is the difference between illegal and undocumented? Because the document can make something become legal and valid. I think there is a politic issue behind those immigrants.

Simply semantics...

A person cannot be illegal... illegal implies an action... a verb, not a noun... actions are illegal, not people...

The correct word would be unlawful...

Unlawful Immigrants...

But, that's just semantics... it's like someone saying they feel nauseous, and correcting them saying the word is nauseated, not nauseous

[Spendulus]

And they still can't vote.

http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/illegals-in-california-could-decide-election/
http://eaglerising.com/31596/california-allows-non-citizens-to-vote-which-is-illegal-so-every-california-vote-should-be-disqualified/
http://www.breitbart.com/california/2015/10/12/gov-jerry-brown-signs-bill-allowing-illegal-aliens-vote/

The Democrats are doing their bit in helping the illegals to vote in the elections. Right now only a minority of them are being able to vote. But once Hitlery is elected as the POTUS, all of them will be given voting rights.

Pffft... Really?  So assuming someone wishes to completely jeopardise their chance to remain illegally in the US and they actually manage to convince the state to issue a valid drivers' licence on the basis of some fraudulent, counterfeit ones they'd have to submit as part of their application, just so they can cast a ballot, it's going to skew the election results?  They're still not allowed to vote.

And you genuinely believe this is some sort of Dem conspiracy to win votes?....

That's exactly what it is.  Any other questions?

[DooMAD]

And they still can't vote.

http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/illegals-in-california-could-decide-election/
http://eaglerising.com/31596/california-allows-non-citizens-to-vote-which-is-illegal-so-every-california-vote-should-be-disqualified/
http://www.breitbart.com/california/2015/10/12/gov-jerry-brown-signs-bill-allowing-illegal-aliens-vote/

The Democrats are doing their bit in helping the illegals to vote in the elections. Right now only a minority of them are being able to vote. But once Hitlery is elected as the POTUS, all of them will be given voting rights.

Pffft... Really?  So assuming someone wishes to completely jeopardise their chance to remain illegally in the US and they actually manage to convince the state to issue a valid drivers' licence on the basis of some fraudulent, counterfeit ones they'd have to submit as part of their application, just so they can cast a ballot, it's going to skew the election results?  They're still not allowed to vote.

And you genuinely believe this is some sort of Dem conspiracy to win votes?....

Wow.  If that's your idea of a perceived threat to the American Way™, I'd hate to see what a real threat looks like.  I'd have thought that level of paranoia would require medical intervention.  Would you like me to fetch the men in white coats for you?

That's exactly what it is.  Any other questions?

Let's see... What size straightjacket do you both take?  Is the standard cell wall padding sufficient for those as deranged as yourselves?  Do we need to up the dosage for those anti-psychotic drugs, or have you just been forgetting to take them?  Would it not be in the best interest of public safety to simply lobotomise you both at your earliest convenience?

Think that should cover it for now.

"Automated voter registration is actually a more secure way of doing things," California Secretary of State Alex Padilla told HuffPost in September. Potential voters "have to demonstrate proof of age, the vast majority of time people are showing a birth certificate or a passport, which also reflects citizenship. That's arguably more secure than someone checking a box under penalty of perjury"

If it had been a Republican policy, you'd have been praising them for closing loopholes and making the system more robust.  But no, it's definitely a sinister Dem conspiracy to give illegals the ability to vote (even though it only works that way in your imagination). 

[BADecker]

And they still can't vote.

http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/illegals-in-california-could-decide-election/
http://eaglerising.com/31596/california-allows-non-citizens-to-vote-which-is-illegal-so-every-california-vote-should-be-disqualified/
http://www.breitbart.com/california/2015/10/12/gov-jerry-brown-signs-bill-allowing-illegal-aliens-vote/

The Democrats are doing their bit in helping the illegals to vote in the elections. Right now only a minority of them are being able to vote. But once Hitlery is elected as the POTUS, all of them will be given voting rights.

Pffft... Really?  So assuming someone wishes to completely jeopardise their chance to remain illegally in the US and they actually manage to convince the state to issue a valid drivers' licence on the basis of some fraudulent, counterfeit ones they'd have to submit as part of their application, just so they can cast a ballot, it's going to skew the election results?  They're still not allowed to vote.

And you genuinely believe this is some sort of Dem conspiracy to win votes?....

Wow.  If that's your idea of a perceived threat to the American Way™, I'd hate to see what a real threat looks like.  I'd have thought that level of paranoia would require medical intervention.  Would you like me to fetch the men in white coats for you?

That's exactly what it is.  Any other questions?

Let's see... What size straightjacket do you both take?  Is the standard cell wall padding sufficient for those as deranged as yourselves?  Do we need to up the dosage for those anti-psychotic drugs, or have you just been forgetting to take them?  Would it not be in the best interest of public safety to simply lobotomise you both at your earliest convenience?

Think that should cover it for now.

"Automated voter registration is actually a more secure way of doing things," California Secretary of State Alex Padilla told HuffPost in September. Potential voters "have to demonstrate proof of age, the vast majority of time people are showing a birth certificate or a passport, which also reflects citizenship. That's arguably more secure than someone checking a box under penalty of perjury"

If it had been a Republican policy, you'd have been praising them for closing loopholes and making the system more robust.  But no, it's definitely a sinister Dem conspiracy to give illegals the ability to vote (even though it only works that way in your imagination). 

Google "voting machine hacking."   

[igorokavg13]

Power is always something to keep back. It creates the appearance of stability, in order to avoid mass disturbances