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August 24, 2016, 08:12:01 AM
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SmirkinPepe, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AlphaBay
2.  Crypto is young. The most positive (biggest/most relevant) part yet may (hopefully) be (stay)
the open source development processes!  
(Dark use is a confirmation of use of a certain size just as much as it scares people away for good
- Bitcoin is in fact accepted by many big, transparent/legal services)

1. Its Sounds as if you'd want to relativize/justify all bad parts and disregard morality and social processes as well? Assuming "money/world is chaos(including evil) anyway" discourages those thinking about improvements, like finding a better combination of privacy and transparency/consensus aspects or anything.
Given the choice of a currency, with no other incentive, people do opt for the one with more fair and positive uses rather than the opposite, don't they?;


Any exceptional product will be by definition, elitist. If you want mediocre money, look no further, fiat is here. You want terrible money? Go to Zimbabwe. Paypal, creditcards, bank wires all work perfectly fine for almost anything in a mediocre society. Those living in those societies pay the price for embracing mediocrity through being strongarmed by goons and having their money constantly devalued by shallow moralists.
Now, I want my money to be 100% free from morals, except for those that promote its minimal requirements: freedom from the meddling of idiots who will squander it in their idiotic socialist projects, technological and financial soundness.
Open source is highly overrated, It took an exceptional thinker (or group) to create Bitcoin. Open source has as yet yielded a deluge of shitcoin copies. The only positive aspect is the source code being available so people can trust the protocol to work a certain way.
As an aside, I am annoyed as fuck at the constant misuse of the word consensus, which is turned into the socialistic notion of every idiot's opinion being worth as much as the next man's opinion. This was never true, and I want my money to be created by the brightest of the brightest minds, who disregard what the mediocre might or might not think about their work.

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August 24, 2016, 08:36:46 AM
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Any exceptional product will be by definition, elitist. If you want mediocre money, look no further, fiat is here. You want terrible money? Go to Zimbabwe. Paypal, creditcards, bank wires all work perfectly fine for almost anything in a mediocre society. Those living in those societies pay the price for embracing mediocrity through being strongarmed by goons and having their money constantly devalued by shallow moralists.
Now, I want my money to be 100% free from morals, except for those that promote its minimal requirements: freedom from the meddling of idiots who will squander it in their idiotic socialist projects, technological and financial soundness.
Open source is highly overrated, It took an exceptional thinker (or group) to create Bitcoin. Open source has as yet yielded a deluge of shitcoin copies. The only positive aspect is the source code being available so people can trust the protocol to work a certain way.
As an aside, I am annoyed as fuck at the constant misuse of the word consensus, which is turned into the socialistic notion of every idiot's opinion being worth as much as the next man's opinion. This was never true, and I want my money to be created by the brightest of the brightest minds, who disregard what the mediocre might or might not think about their work.

I can only second to that.

Especially "consensus".   The technical "consensus" of a block chain is in fact the opposite of what socio-democrats think it is: it is not "a majority of feable-minded who can decide on anything", but rather the funny principle that the ONLY thing one is capable to find a majority agreement on, is the immutable protocol.
In other words, "block chain consensus" is the inverse of socio-democratic majority rule: it is the INABILITY to come to any other consensus than the original, immutable "white paper" protocol.
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August 24, 2016, 10:22:33 AM
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Monero also has on demand transparency via view key

Did you just waste thread space?

This is only for incoming txs. You cant see any spendings using viewkey.

Bitcoin is NOT anonymous: http://www.bitcoinisnotanonymous.com
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August 24, 2016, 11:17:12 AM
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Monero also has on demand transparency via view key

Did you just waste thread space?

This is only for incoming txs. You cant see any spendings using viewkey.

It seems they are working on making it possible.

From : https://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero/commit/ebf97d76f0020eb027175818ebbdafd6d578aa77
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wallet: new {ex,im}port_key_images commands and RPC calls
They are used to export a signed set of key images from a wallet
with a private spend key, so an auditor with the matching view key
may see which of those are spent, and which are not.
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August 24, 2016, 02:20:06 PM
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I don't know much about XMR but this coin is overhyped and risen more than 100% in a week. This is the time for the coin to cool down and consolidate if this is not the end of the bull run. I feel this value of this coin will be in parity with ETH om the future. Many people have high expectation on this coin.

     

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August 24, 2016, 03:06:25 PM
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This is pretty big news....looks like Bitcoin Jesus is for XMR!

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August 24, 2016, 03:08:46 PM
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I agree, strong anonimity is probably better kept as a sidechain in Bitcoin. XMR has too many problems to properly scale, so I wonder how do they intend to ever manage the amount of volume Bitcoin moves now, let alone in the future.
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August 25, 2016, 05:56:45 AM
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@thejaytiesto maybe the darknet should accept more coins to satisfy the demand? What do you think?

I think it would make sense to do it and maybe create an interledger for the darknet so that they can be exchanged from blockchain to blockchain. But is that even possible?

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August 25, 2016, 09:02:38 AM
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I agree, strong anonimity is probably better kept as a sidechain in Bitcoin. XMR has too many problems to properly scale, so I wonder how do they intend to ever manage the amount of volume Bitcoin moves now, let alone in the future.

What problems?

Define "properly scale"?

Dynamic block size feature is pretty handy for "scaling".

Please elaborate more.

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August 28, 2016, 02:10:45 AM
Last edit: August 28, 2016, 02:56:38 AM by regexlove
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Any exceptional product will be by definition, elitist. If you want mediocre money, look no further, fiat is here. You want terrible money? Go to Zimbabwe. Paypal, creditcards, bank wires all work perfectly fine for almost anything in a mediocre society. Those living in those societies pay the price for embracing mediocrity through being strongarmed by goons and having their money constantly devalued by shallow moralists.
Now, I want my money to be 100% free from morals, except for those that promote its minimal requirements: freedom from the meddling of idiots who will squander it in their idiotic socialist projects, technological and financial soundness.
Open source is highly overrated, It took an exceptional thinker (or group) to create Bitcoin. Open source has as yet yielded a deluge of shitcoin copies. The only positive aspect is the source code being available so people can trust the protocol to work a certain way.
As an aside, I am annoyed as fuck at the constant misuse of the word consensus, which is turned into the socialistic notion of every idiot's opinion being worth as much as the next man's opinion. This was never true, and I want my money to be created by the brightest of the brightest minds, who disregard what the mediocre might or might not think about their work.
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Open source is highly overrated, It took an exceptional thinker (or group) to create Bitcoin. Open source has as yet yielded a deluge of shitcoin copies.

So, why dont you start a proprietary blockchain?
Isn't the the biggest selling argument for Monero still the grassroot open source beginning/transparency opposing Bytecoin?  


The market-cap of a currency/network and it's reliablity/stablity are defined through:
 - high number of users  
 - well balanced distribution, easy/fair/open entry

(There is no currency for the smartest, richest or most evil 10000 people in the world only
because it would be worth little.)

Sorry, once again your points either boil down to parasite-logic  or express depression. Sorry if you think most people are silly and dont deserve better.
that does not justify to fuel a pump&dumps or risky speculation

I can only second to that.

Especially "consensus".   The technical "consensus" of a block chain is in fact the opposite of what socio-democrats think it is: it is not "a majority of feable-minded who can decide on anything", but rather the funny principle that the ONLY thing one is capable to find a majority agreement on, is the immutable protocol.
In other words, "block chain consensus" is the inverse of socio-democratic majority rule: it is the INABILITY to come to any other consensus than the original, immutable "white paper" protocol.

Automated machine consensus works as long as the protocol (and all underlying protocols) cover all possiblites well enough not to make intervention very necessary/collectively favorable. Yet machines are not able nor entitled to decide anything else.  Machines are for convenience/repetitive tasks only.

A working human consensus governance always is a required lower level.  People often collectively decide/vote to edit a running blockchain core software, not always excluding changes relevant to security or economic rules.  Fewer times it was necessary or was not dared, to edit a blockchain history, even tho that isnt necessarily security relevant by design. People also collectively decide to leave/turn off/retire blockchains, or dont even start them despite a potential billion market cap (BitcoinXT). Can you prove any blockchain is immutable?
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April 13, 2018, 08:11:04 AM
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Claim your XMC!

After Monero hard forked on April 6th, there are XMR (the new Monero chain) and XMC (original chain).

Pools mining XMC: Antpool, Poolin, Frogpool, 91pool, F2POOL
Exchange: CoinEx, Xstar, gate.io
Wallet: LoMoStar

Website: monero-classic.org
Telegram group: t.me/xmccurrency
Twitter:https://twitter.com/xmccurrency

XMC in Exchanges:
CoinEx: https://www.coinex.com/trading?currency=bch&dest=xmc&tab=limit
Gate.io: https://gateio.io/trade/XMC_BTC

Monero Classic team chose to maintain the original chain and did not follow the upgrade initiated by Monero team. We believe the emergence of specialized mining machines for a cryptocurrency is a normal market economy phenomenon and it could greatly improve network security. With specialized mining machines , the events like “Monero was attacked by more than 500,000 botnets” could be avoided. On the opposite, Monero developers' constant change of algorithm creates more centralization.
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