[irregularities] Mass Network

[HomoHenning]

Donate your masscoins to me if you dont believe masscoin is real and still working on it..if i didnt recieve masscoins meaning you believe that masscoin is our future to earn a lot of money via advertising.
Send to my Masscoin address to those who didnt  believe their projects and their roadmaps.
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i will send if you pay me

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[DaddyH]

Donate your masscoins to me if you dont believe masscoin is real and still working on it..if i didnt recieve masscoins meaning you believe that masscoin is our future to earn a lot of money via advertising.
Send to my Masscoin address to those who didnt  believe their projects and their roadmaps.
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Why don't you offer to buy if you're so confident? I'm sure you will get a good discount.

[robelneo]

Donate your masscoins to me if you dont believe masscoin is real and still working on it..if i didnt recieve masscoins meaning you believe that masscoin is our future to earn a lot of money via advertising.
Send to my Masscoin address to those who didnt  believe their projects and their roadmaps.
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Are you crazy,this people invest money and those who participated on it invest their time and effort,you are not a friend or a relative to ask for it,do not put a challenge  people who do not believe should give it to you,you cannot even prove yourself why not kiss our asses first ..

[xland86]

Some interesting

[drays]

The top investors of this project (coinholders) should form a group to contact the CEO of mycelium.  I can help form this group of elite investors.  Contact me.

The top investors of this project (coinholders) should form a group to contact the CEO of mycelium.  I can help form this group of elite investors.  Contact me.

I have.

Please all major investors PM me also. We will find answers together. I haven't really participated on these forums in recent years so had to create a new account. I am an investor in this project.  I look forward to hearing from you and we will develop a strategy together.

Guys, thats an interesting initiative... Would be great if you consolidate your efforts.
Also please define how much you think one should have invested to be considered "top" or "major" investor here... So people (and me, in particular) know whether to bother you or not.

[drays]

Do you ready to buy the company or mass&mycelium project? CEO of mycelium seems to sell the company out, so he should contact many people, these 2 project has raise more than 6000 btc, if you have so much fund, trading altcoin is much better.

Any links? What is the source of this information?

You are all slow. I had this scam worked out months ago. This was a carefully organised scam and they even didn't totally disappear until all the useless mass coins had been distributed. Everyone involved is a liar, devs, PMs, escrow - it was a total lie. See this

 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1719424.msg17216770#msg17216770

I also know that our friend Mr Kuzmin has been in jail for fraud before for fraud.

http://newspepper.su/news/2010/11/29/megion-mayor-jailed-for-a-trip-to-los-angeles/

So you decide where you think the money has gone.

You should have posted it here, so at least someone could pay any attention to your post.
Regarding scam suspicions, we (me, in particular) had very strong suspicions starting from the scam-like final bonus. It was a clear indication of scam, which reminded me of other Russian scam called HashProfit, and I expressed my frustration many times then, as well as many other folks did.
However the Daniel guy, who seemed to carry the project forward, has made us hope there is a chance this is not scam. But now I think that was part of the plan - to drop someone in, so investors keep calm, and also to cut all the tails - pay the bounties, distribute the useless coins, so formally nobody could blame them they didn't fulfil their promises, so judicially their actions could seem legit.

[Tribute]

Donate your masscoins to me if you dont believe masscoin is real and still working on it..if i didnt recieve masscoins meaning you believe that masscoin is our future to earn a lot of money via advertising.
Send to my Masscoin address to those who didnt  believe their projects and their roadmaps.
18rV9euStqKYF2PnZH586BeJcFwZeNjUdK

You are a paid shill and probably part of the scam.

[Tribute]

Do you ready to buy the company or mass&mycelium project? CEO of mycelium seems to sell the company out, so he should contact many people, these 2 project has raise more than 6000 btc, if you have so much fund, trading altcoin is much better.

Any links? What is the source of this information?

You are all slow. I had this scam worked out months ago. This was a carefully organised scam and they even didn't totally disappear until all the useless mass coins had been distributed. Everyone involved is a liar, devs, PMs, escrow - it was a total lie. See this

 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1719424.msg17216770#msg17216770

I also know that our friend Mr Kuzmin has been in jail for fraud before for fraud.

http://newspepper.su/news/2010/11/29/megion-mayor-jailed-for-a-trip-to-los-angeles/

So you decide where you think the money has gone.

You should have posted it here, so at least someone could pay any attention to your post.
Regarding scam suspicions, we (me, in particular) had very strong suspicions starting from the scam-like final bonus. It was a clear indication of scam, which reminded me of other Russian scam called HashProfit, and I expressed my frustration many times then, as well as many other folks did.
However the Daniel guy, who seemed to carry the project forward, has made us hope there is a chance this is not scam. But now I think that was part of the plan - to drop someone in, so investors keep calm, and also to cut all the tails - pay the bounties, distribute the useless coins, so formally nobody could blame them they didn't fulfil their promises, so judicially their actions could seem legit.

We need to list all the actors involved in this scam. And send a report to Cointelegraph or any of the other crypto media. Telling exactly what happened.
These people need to be shamed and high profile members of Mycelium are guilty of fraud. Mass.network was never intended to be a Project. Fucking thieves

[JReag]

It appears that Mr Kuzmin and Malley all started working on ANOTHER ICO known as Swishcoin

https://swishcoin.com//
https://steemit.com/bitcoin/@knowledger/swish-retail-solution-for-bringing-bitcoin-to-the-mainstream

The ICO for this ended January 15th.

You can find Malley on the September Blue Paper for Mass
https://mass.network/mass-bluepaper.pdf

Sorry guys, but it looks like this was a scam from the get go because the involvement of dishonest people goes back to the start of the Crowdfunding for this project.


While they claimed they would be developing the Mass Browser (The Github only has 1 update which was nothing to the extension itself) instead they were acquiring funding Swishcoin.

[ged00u]

Since I am not the direct investors in this project, I have a question for all of you guys: Do you think that we should open a scam accusation against this coin? Most of the information about the project has been deleted by the OP (pianist) and other managers and developers have been gone for a long time. We can not use colu because this temporary wallet will make this coin worthless.
Please consider about it

I am one of a direct investors in this coin, and I am utterly disappointed and feel scammed. However I don't know how a scam accusation thread will help us. I suspect all he will get there, is useless comments from useless people, like "ha-ha I told you idiots should not invest in ICO without escrow" and so on...

Does scam accusation on this forum affect Mycelium or scammer Kuzmin in any way? All we can do is to open accusation against pianist, as his behavior is very irresponsible. He is the one who actually did the most for us to invest here, and now he refuses to answer any questions. He definitely knows a lot more than we know, however prefers to hide the information. Honest and responsible people don't behave that way.
But will scam accusation against him actually help anybody? I don't think so. I still hope though he will have enough integrity to come and tell the full story here...

Doing anything on Bitcointalk level seems to be pointless, maximum we can do is to try to call some scam investigators, like Gleb Gamow, and hope they will find some info we missed.

Is there anybody with lawyer education here? Is it possible to sue Kuzmin or any of the organizers of this false project? Or disclaimers in T&C prevent this?

Bitcointalk staffs know how to deal with these guys. They are good with computer and I believe they can obtain some information about those scammers. Need some help to open a scam accusations again this project. Need more people to join with me
Damn. I can not believe that Genegene dare to show up again and say some stupid words.

[drays]

We need to list all the actors involved in this scam. And send a report to Cointelegraph or any of the other crypto media. Telling exactly what happened.
These people need to be shamed and high profile members of Mycelium are guilty of fraud. Mass.network was never intended to be a Project. Fucking thieves

I don't agree Mass Network was never intended to be a real Project. You are entitled to your opinion, but for me it is obvious it was intended to be a big and real business, however something went wrong, and they don't tell us what exactly. Probably Kuzmin started too many projects and run out if money. Or spent all money in casino, I don't know.

But in any case, yes, we need to coordinate the efforts. On the last page two different people posted they want all the major investors to contact them. I think, regardless of investment, we need to contact them first, if we have something to offer.

It appears that Mr Kuzmin and Malley all started working on ANOTHER ICO known as Swishcoin

https://swishcoin.com//
https://steemit.com/bitcoin/@knowledger/swish-retail-solution-for-bringing-bitcoin-to-the-mainstream

The ICO for this ended January 15th.

Swish is one more failed ICO from Kuzmin. According to this: https://www.smithandcrown.com/event/swish-ico-an-automated-pos-app-leveraging-the-power-of-the-blockchain/, it has raised just 16.36BTC! Which is expected given the miserable amount of promotion, and their history of money collection with nothing delivered.

History of Kuzmin/Malley/Kontegna ICO works:
May 2016: Mycelium crowdsale : 5,131.445 BTC raised (Source: https://crowdsale.mycelium.com/#/)
Dec 2016: Mass Network ICO : 332.148 BTC raised (Source: https://ico.mass.network/#/)
Jan 2017: Swish ICO : 16.36 BTC (Source: https://www.smithandcrown.com/event/swish-ico-an-automated-pos-app-leveraging-the-power-of-the-blockchain/)

What a history of progress! This clearly shows they have lost people's confidence, so each subsequent ICO gets less funds.

It looks the same scammer Alex Kontegna (Oschepkov?) was participating in Swish too. See this post:

please see if you have time: https://medium.com/@SwishCoin/how-to-for-swishcoin-pumpers-c659e68b6377#.rfweynxf8

Here the 'Swishcoin" account refers to the article written by Alex Kontegna, who is the same Alexey Oschepkov, according to pianist.

[Tribute]

We need to list all the actors involved in this scam. And send a report to Cointelegraph or any of the other crypto media. Telling exactly what happened.
These people need to be shamed and high profile members of Mycelium are guilty of fraud. Mass.network was never intended to be a Project. Fucking thieves

I don't agree Mass Network was never intended to be a real Project. You are entitled to your opinion, but for me it is obvious it was intended to be a big and real business, however something went wrong, and they don't tell us what exactly. Probably Kuzmin started too many projects and run out if money. Or spent all money in casino, I don't know.

But in any case, yes, we need to coordinate the efforts. On the last page two different people posted they want all the major investors to contact them. I think we need to contact them first, if we have something to offer.

It appears that Mr Kuzmin and Malley all started working on ANOTHER ICO known as Swishcoin

https://swishcoin.com//
https://steemit.com/bitcoin/@knowledger/swish-retail-solution-for-bringing-bitcoin-to-the-mainstream

The ICO for this ended January 15th.

Swish is one more failed ICO from Kuzmin. According to this: https://www.smithandcrown.com/event/swish-ico-an-automated-pos-app-leveraging-the-power-of-the-blockchain/, it has raised just 16.36BTC! Which is expected given the miserable amount of promotion, and their history of money collection with nothing delivered.

History of Kuzmin/Malley/Kontegna ICO works:
May 2016: Mycelium crowdsale : 5,131.445 BTC raised (Source: https://crowdsale.mycelium.com/#/)
Dec 2016: Mass Network ICO : 332.148 BTC raised (Source: https://ico.mass.network/#/)
Jan 2017: Swish ICO : 16.36 BTC (Source: https://www.smithandcrown.com/event/swish-ico-an-automated-pos-app-leveraging-the-power-of-the-blockchain/)

What a history of progress! This clearly shows they have lost people's confidence, so each ICO get less funds.

It looks the same scammer Alex Kontegna (Oschepkov?) was participating in Swish too. See this post:

please see if you have time: https://medium.com/@SwishCoin/how-to-for-swishcoin-pumpers-c659e68b6377#.rfweynxf8

Here the 'Swishcoin" account refer to the article written by Alex Kontegna, who is the same Alexey Oschepkov, according to pianist.

It is irrelevant whether you believe if this was ever a real project or not. Our monies have been stolen.
But in my view a basic website and a shit unfinished software is not an attempt to make a business. More likely just an attempt to produce just enough evidence to seem like one...
I'm sorry, I've had it with these scumbaggers

[tokyopotato]

It is irrelevant whether you believe if this was ever a real project or not. Our monies have been stolen.
But in my view a basic website and a shit unfinished software is not an attempt to make a business. More likely just an attempt to produce just enough evidence to seem like one...
I'm sorry, I've had it with these scumbaggers

[pianist]

All we can do is to open accusation against pianist, as his behavior is very irresponsible. He is the one who actually did the most for us to invest here, and now he refuses to answer any questions. He definitely knows a lot more than we know, however prefers to hide the information. Honest and responsible people don't behave that way.

Hi, guys!

I'm so sorry, but I really don't know anything about Mass/Mycelium/Kuzmin.

I have been working for Mass as CTO (Aug-Nov), and my responsibilities were:
1. to develop RTB architecture of Mass
2. hire devs

I know almost nothing about the project, but you should know one important thing: there are TWO real founders: Alexander Kuzmin and Alexey Oschepkov (Kontegna). I received an offer from Kuzmin.

Why I started a BCT thread? Oschepkov created new account (massnetwork), but new account could not post images. So, he asked me to start new thread with images.

Kuzmin does not read my messages since December. AFAIK they started new ICO:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1664538.0

Important note: both project and product managers did not receive salaries for Dec, so they stopped working since Feb. AFAIK, Kuzmin told them, that ICO funds are spent. That's why Daniel do not reply anywhere.

I know, that you have lost your money. We have lost our time for working on Mass, and I don't know what we can do. I can answer all your questions about Mass, of course.

[pianist]

Please all major investors PM me also. We will find answers together. I haven't really participated on these forums in recent years so had to create a new account. I am an investor in this project.  I look forward to hearing from you and we will develop a strategy together.

I can help you, you may contact me for any questions.

I also can reply here.

[favdesu]

Do you ready to buy the company or mass&mycelium project? CEO of mycelium seems to sell the company out, so he should contact many people, these 2 project has raise more than 6000 btc, if you have so much fund, trading altcoin is much better.

Any links? What is the source of this information?

You are all slow. I had this scam worked out months ago. This was a carefully organised scam and they even didn't totally disappear until all the useless mass coins had been distributed. Everyone involved is a liar, devs, PMs, escrow - it was a total lie. See this

 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1719424.msg17216770#msg17216770

I also know that our friend Mr Kuzmin has been in jail for fraud before for fraud.

http://newspepper.su/news/2010/11/29/megion-mayor-jailed-for-a-trip-to-los-angeles/

So you decide where you think the money has gone.

You should have posted it here, so at least someone could pay any attention to your post.
Regarding scam suspicions, we (me, in particular) had very strong suspicions starting from the scam-like final bonus. It was a clear indication of scam, which reminded me of other Russian scam called HashProfit, and I expressed my frustration many times then, as well as many other folks did.
However the Daniel guy, who seemed to carry the project forward, has made us hope there is a chance this is not scam. But now I think that was part of the plan - to drop someone in, so investors keep calm, and also to cut all the tails - pay the bounties, distribute the useless coins, so formally nobody could blame them they didn't fulfil their promises, so judicially their actions could seem legit.

We need to list all the actors involved in this scam. And send a report to Cointelegraph or any of the other crypto media. Telling exactly what happened.
These people need to be shamed and high profile members of Mycelium are guilty of fraud. Mass.network was never intended to be a Project. Fucking thieves

Contelegraph are selling their soul for every scam that's paying. this is literally the worst place to go to make someone aware of a scam.

[Tribute]

Please all major investors PM me also. We will find answers together. I haven't really participated on these forums in recent years so had to create a new account. I am an investor in this project.  I look forward to hearing from you and we will develop a strategy together.

I can help you, you may contact me for any questions.

I also can reply here.

So you did not found the project? You were just hired to write some basic software? Then they dropped you because funds were gone?

[Tribute]

@pianist are you not angry with these two fraudsters?
Why did you not come out and tell us this before?

[pianist]

Please reply here and explain what happened to the project and our money.

Ok, about money. Technical part:
1. All wallets were under Kuzmin's control since ICO start, AFAIK, nobody else has any private keys.
2. ICO website was developed by Mycelium team (Mycelium Gear as a merchant service).

Business part: Kuzmin told that all funds were spent in January, and he stopped paying salaries. But I have no details. He told this "news" to product and project manager (why they won't get salaries...)

[pianist]

@pianist are you not angry with these two fraudsters?
Why did you not come out and tell us this before?

Yes, I became angry several times, but there were no scam intention. For example, Kuzmin told me in Aug that Charlie Shrem will become CEO of Mass, so I decided to join the project. Of course, Charlie rejected his offer.

As a tech guy, I was responsible only for tech questions. Of course, I was unhappy when Oschepkov asked me to create BCT thread, but the reason was that new "official" Mass account could not post images.

There were many-many other bad things, at last I decided to quit. But devs were optimistic, they asked me not to bite the project, they were going to make a good product.

I don't know what to do now, but I don't know anyone who can contact Kuzmin or his partner Oschepkov (Kontegna).