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August 29, 2016, 06:54:01 PM
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Sakha (Yakutia) Republic is a pretty safe bet... as soon as you leave Yakuts you are very soon on your own...  Roll Eyes

Republic of Sakha is almost 5 times bigger than France as far as the surface area is concerned, and most importantly, the Muslim population there is roughly around 0.1% of that in France. Yes... it is a pretty safe bet. And you don't need any encryption as well. I really doubt whether they have broadband internet connection outside the city of Yakutsk.
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August 29, 2016, 10:30:02 PM
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Everybody knows that all terrorists (in the western world) are muslims, so they could just ban islam, close down all their places of worship, and deport all muslims to muslim countries where they could all live happily forever and the terror problem would be solved. No need to block encryption. Alas, it's way too late to think of that. One minister in France is muslim, and London's mayor is muslim, too. So the open society will gradually loose it openness.

Didn't know breivik was muslim. Or that the neo nazis that did these https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosphorus_serial_murders and the cologne bombing were muslim. Or that the guys doing the pipe bomb attacks in northern ireland are muslim. Or that c18, white wolves and related groups are muslim. Etc.

I meant in the present times. During the last decade in the western world, all terror has been coming from muslim. I know the past was different, but I do not live in the past. Also, by terror, I mean people dying. In France and Germany, there's been people painting pigs on the walls of a mosque but I don't see that as terror.


Not sure you live in the present either:
breivik - 2011
bosphorus serial murders - until 2006
northern ireland - current: http://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/belfast-news/northern-ireland-top-eu-target-10315447
c18 and related groups - probably current: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/belfast-racists-threaten-to-cut-romanian-babys-throat-28484870.html

And here are a few more:
http://www.start.umd.edu/gtd/search/IncidentSummary.aspx?gtdid=201208050006
http://www.start.umd.edu/gtd/search/IncidentSummary.aspx?gtdid=201507230080
http://www.start.umd.edu/gtd/search/IncidentSummary.aspx?gtdid=201002180013
http://www.start.umd.edu/gtd/search/IncidentSummary.aspx?gtdid=200907290025
http://www.start.umd.edu/gtd/search/IncidentSummary.aspx?gtdid=201511270001

You can say recent terror attacks in the west by jihadists have been the most deadly. That is probably true. But not the only type of terrorist attacks in the western world. And not even the most common type. According to europol for the year 2015 for example, out of over 200 terrorist attacks and attempted terrorist attacks in europe less than 20 were by jihadists. Can't you see this is just the latest excuse for them to do something they have been trying for a long time? Everyone is panicking about the muslims that are going to kill us all that they decided to try again.

I guess we don't have the same definition of "terror" nor "in the present time".


Let me guess: it is not terrorism if a muslim is not involved? Because I posted several examples of non-muslim terrorism and you ignored them all. All within a decade like you first asked. All classified by authorities as terrorism. At least 3 of those examples in the last 5 years like in your revised time frame.


Yes. One example if you ignore the others.


There's no more terror in Ireland. It's a very quiet country by all standards.

There aren't many deaths from terror attacks in northern ireland. Not the same thing as no more terror attacks.

Compare the deaths by irish nationalists in the past 5 years, to the deaths by muslims in the past 5 years. The ratio is probably around 1 to 100.

I already said as much in my last post. Yes it is true that recent jihadist terror attacks have been the most deadly. But my point was that not all terrorism in the west is done by muslims like you said. In fact it is not even the majority as far as I can tell.


If nobody dies, there's no terror.


More like if the terrorists are stopped it doesn't get attention. So you don't see it in the news. Terror attacks still go on regardless. Again, not the same thing as no terrorism.

I haven't ignored any of your examples, I just didn't checked them all. What examples do you have in the last few years, with people dying?

2 of the examples I gave before were from the last year. Another from 4 years ago. All with deaths and injuries. More can be found if you bother to search.

Regarding peace and safety, I'm ready to bet that Ireland is a much safer place than France, even without accounting terror attacks in France.


Don't know if that is true or not. But not the point. You were wrong in what you had said and i was providing proof you were. That is all.

So what recent examples do you have? I haven't seen your proofs. I keep on saying that the death ratio between muslim terror acts and acts from other terrorists is 100 to 1, and if you can't prove otherwise, my point is valid. And please don't argue with terror acts which supposed to happen but have been stopped before they actually happen. There's no terror without terror.

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August 30, 2016, 05:30:28 AM
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If you see globally I am pretty sure it's closer to 1000 to 1... Look at the blood bath in the Middle East and further east... It's almost 100 people killed each day by Islamic supremacists.

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