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September 03, 2016, 01:21:59 AM
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I have posted before that I am on the developer string for Windows 10, before I spoke about the fact that for one brief moment, between update testing, Bitcoin appears as a payment option in the Mobile Windows store app and it was gone the next day with the next update. 

This is an update about a feature in the PC Windows 10 that anyone can install, but it was mentioned in the developer updates and online.  You can first activate an Ubuntu Bash shell within the Windows 10 OS.  This is not directly related to Bitcoin and Crypto, but opens some options for development.  I have not played with it much, but it apparently is Ubuntu buried in the subsystem.  Ubuntu does not know that Windows is up there, other than basic files functions and the access to the network.  Windows seems more aware of Ubuntu.  I know that for a good amount of time I literally had two PC's running five feet away when doing some development and wallet work with new coins.  There are simply some things that work better through Linux and others that work better through Windows. 

The network setup is pretty much unknown to me.  I have two wireless cards installed in one PC, so it may be possible to treat them as separate network boxes.  It would be interesting to use Ubuntu to run a mining pool and have Windows mine against it, using the address of the wallet on Windows.  It is basically a waste, since the PC has a finite power to mine with and acting like it is two computers does not double that power, but it would be interesting.  If all goes well, I think the best use of this would be running two wallets and testing different scripts in the TX's between them.  You could see nearly instant results if the blockchain is moving enough.

It is a sign to me that what were once totally opposed systems of thought, the Unix machine and the newer Windows architecture are accepting that computing is a one world thing that needs to work together.  Hope that is a sign that Cryptos can make a greater impact on the world at large and be considered less of the ugly cousin that no one talks about.  I will try some things on the Bash system and see what happens and post the results as time goes by.



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September 03, 2016, 05:21:25 AM
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I will wait and see what you post.  I am curious if it is resigned to being just a CLI or if it can install and launch other apps from the Linux universe.  As a command line only, it is basically like having a free VPS that may or may not be able to serve sites and services. 
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I will wait and see what you post.  I am curious if it is resigned to being just a CLI or if it can install and launch other apps from the Linux universe.  As a command line only, it is basically like having a free VPS that may or may not be able to serve sites and services. 

i am using it for a while with windows DEV account. it is a full fledged linux environment Smiley   LOVE it!

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I will wait and see what you post.  I am curious if it is resigned to being just a CLI or if it can install and launch other apps from the Linux universe.  As a command line only, it is basically like having a free VPS that may or may not be able to serve sites and services. 

i am using it for a while with windows DEV account. it is a full fledged linux environment Smiley   LOVE it!

big question is whether the windows and bash clients will interact like separate network nodes



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I will wait and see what you post.  I am curious if it is resigned to being just a CLI or if it can install and launch other apps from the Linux universe.  As a command line only, it is basically like having a free VPS that may or may not be able to serve sites and services.  

i am using it for a while with windows DEV account. it is a full fledged linux environment Smiley   LOVE it!

big question is whether the windows and bash clients will interact like separate network nodes


AFAIK, they do NOT Sad    (VMWare bridged-connection type thing maybe?)

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big question is whether the windows and bash clients will interact like separate network nodes

The bigger question is why turn Windows 10 into Windows 95  Grin
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big question is whether the windows and bash clients will interact like separate network nodes

The bigger question is why turn Windows 10 into Windows 95  Grin

what is it that you mean sir?



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I will wait and see what you post.  I am curious if it is resigned to being just a CLI or if it can install and launch other apps from the Linux universe.  As a command line only, it is basically like having a free VPS that may or may not be able to serve sites and services. 

i am using it for a while with windows DEV account. it is a full fledged linux environment Smiley   LOVE it!

At least in VM Ware or VirtualBox there are distinct settings for network access and then, even being at home, you can configure your router to send ported traffic, unless they block 80.


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Last thing that I would like to see you test and report on is the "&".  In other words, on a VPS I can SSH in, type something like "bitcoind &" and then when I shut down the SSH conncection I know that program is still running.  There are actually so many questions, I will wait and see where you go with this.


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Micro$oft can try to the best of their possibilities to try and give us the Bash of Ubuntu or any other Linux versions but they can not do it. Why for example they don't offer it open source ? They just want to get some attention as their sales have fall down dramatically since Linux started becoming user friendly and almost as easy as Windows to use(you just have to google a bit more for your problems).

So far market rate is 74% Windows users and 26% Linux from a rough estimate of statistical data (mac users are considered in this 26% because they are based on Unix).
It used to be market rate of 97.2% Windows a few years ago. Now this explains everything why Micro$oft is trying to do that. Just to get a bit of attention from users,developers and programmers.




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Well, I obviously didn't mean to start the debates over software politics here, lol.  I played with it a little bit and examined some things.  It works for what it is and you can install software.  Basically they have embedded a small virtual machine within the Windows core it seems.  I swear that a week before writing this I was in desperate need of doing something with a Bash?Linux environment and had to hit the back-end of a VPS to do it.  Now that it is right there I cannot think of a single thing to do when I open it.  It is there and if I need it I will see if it meets the needs.  Apparently you can go as far as installing the x graphics system and have some apps run with a GUI or workspace.  Until such time as I need that I will not bother with that much playing around.

I see benefits to both OS's and will not boost one over the other.  I always end up back at Windows because there is just some piece of software that I need for the company that is only on Windows, cannot be emulated or done through Wine and it drives me nuts for a week til I do it.  I like both Windows and Linux(Ubuntu usually) pretty much equally, although I will definitely see if having the Bash within Windows makes an environment that does everything I need when developing.



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Indeed, I do enjoy this feature. I have been working with it since the anniversary update on my windows box and it is quite nice to be able to call on a linux shell so easily. Has anyone been able to install AMD (or nVidia) drivers on it and mine using your GPU from it? If so, how was the performance? I would like to attempt it, and probably will, but some input from anyone who has tried it would be nice.

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Indeed, I do enjoy this feature. I have been working with it since the anniversary update on my windows box and it is quite nice to be able to call on a linux shell so easily. Has anyone been able to install AMD (or nVidia) drivers on it and mine using your GPU from it? If so, how was the performance? I would like to attempt it, and probably will, but some input from anyone who has tried it would be nice.

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getting there, at the moment dealing with an x installation is just too much to do.  i hate doing that on a normal box and i pretty much treat this like a VPS.  i was peeking around in the file system that was created and it seems like it is fairly standard, the thing is that i cannot find any files that reference the link between the windows system and the subsystem so it is going to be fun.  i am going to try tonight and start with a card that windows cannot find drivers for.  it is basically a pci express card, but it is very generic and came in a dell optiplex.  windows uses the card fine, but direct x expects better drivers. we shall see what happens and i will post more tonight



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Indeed, I do enjoy this feature. I have been working with it since the anniversary update on my windows box and it is quite nice to be able to call on a linux shell so easily. Has anyone been able to install AMD (or nVidia) drivers on it and mine using your GPU from it? If so, how was the performance? I would like to attempt it, and probably will, but some input from anyone who has tried it would be nice.

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getting there, at the moment dealing with an x installation is just too much to do.  i hate doing that on a normal box and i pretty much treat this like a VPS.  i was peeking around in the file system that was created and it seems like it is fairly standard, the thing is that i cannot find any files that reference the link between the windows system and the subsystem so it is going to be fun.  i am going to try tonight and start with a card that windows cannot find drivers for.  it is basically a pci express card, but it is very generic and came in a dell optiplex.  windows uses the card fine, but direct x expects better drivers. we shall see what happens and i will post more tonight

I really want to see where this goes.  Hardware is something that Ubuntu never seemed to have an issue with.  I had Windows system after system that were such a pain with everything from wireless adapters, network cards, video cards.

                                 
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Indeed, I do enjoy this feature. I have been working with it since the anniversary update on my windows box and it is quite nice to be able to call on a linux shell so easily. Has anyone been able to install AMD (or nVidia) drivers on it and mine using your GPU from it? If so, how was the performance? I would like to attempt it, and probably will, but some input from anyone who has tried it would be nice.

Mistercoin-

getting there, at the moment dealing with an x installation is just too much to do.  i hate doing that on a normal box and i pretty much treat this like a VPS.  i was peeking around in the file system that was created and it seems like it is fairly standard, the thing is that i cannot find any files that reference the link between the windows system and the subsystem so it is going to be fun.  i am going to try tonight and start with a card that windows cannot find drivers for.  it is basically a pci express card, but it is very generic and came in a dell optiplex.  windows uses the card fine, but direct x expects better drivers. we shall see what happens and i will post more tonight

I remember in the days of Vista that I had the wireless network drivers on a USB because every time I would restore the system I had to reload those to get to the internet to update everything else.  With Ubuntu, it was mostly plug and play. 
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big question is whether the windows and bash clients will interact like separate network nodes

The bigger question is why turn Windows 10 into Windows 95  Grin

Video cards were the same way.  Windows 7, 8 and 10 seemed to deal with the driver issue better.  I think their take is to maintain a good set of network drivers in the install and that way any other driver can be gotten if need be.

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Indeed, I do enjoy this feature. I have been working with it since the anniversary update on my windows box and it is quite nice to be able to call on a linux shell so easily. Has anyone been able to install AMD (or nVidia) drivers on it and mine using your GPU from it? If so, how was the performance? I would like to attempt it, and probably will, but some input from anyone who has tried it would be nice.

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The actual wireless settings were harder to manage, but that was just a matter of not knowing my way around the system. Lets us see whats further progress in this project.


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I remember that someone asked for this feature some days ( weeks ? ) ago. In that time, I suggested installing a Bash port for Windows as I, too, have done in the past. The problem was that I was not sure whether the Bash port that I suggested had all features that the person whom I helped to needed. So, I could just give a tip at maximum. Now, I know that Windows 10 integrated a full-feature Bash so maybe I will return to update some of my older suggestion. Thank you for informing us about this new possibility!


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I just caught it from the corner of my eye on the internet the other day, but apparently Linux is bringing some Windows like features into the next build, will have to look it up.



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I just caught it from the corner of my eye on the internet the other day, but apparently Linux is bringing some Windows like features into the next build, will have to look it up.

As far as I know, the Bash implementation was not only a working solution, but pretty neat too.

When I write 'pretty neat', I am thinking of speed and stability factors.

According to these factors, the developers have done a very good job.

What is your opinion on this experience? Can you confirm or argue with it?


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