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February 06, 2017, 10:11:19 AM
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I read those sections, but (the way I understand it at least) at some point the network still relies on trusted nodes to function, leaving it wide open to sybil attacks.

Could you be more specific please, how would you sybil attack?

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Could not sent payment:know  bad
Why send is so unstable,It  have a  lot  of bugs.

specife the sendind issue.

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February 06, 2017, 10:19:44 AM
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maybe you can ask poloniex list byteball, so we can spread byteball to more people, as an developer you request counter more weight than community members.

thank you

here is the link:

https://poloniex.com/coinRequest

Requested a couple of times, no response so far.  Maybe they wait for more votes?
Now a days they're not adding any good coin,unless you pay their fees for instant listing.A lots of new coins were added in poloniex,but not all of them are legit and good.

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February 06, 2017, 10:29:45 AM
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Hi
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maybe you can ask poloniex list byteball, so we can spread byteball to more people, as an developer you request counter more weight than community members.

thank you

here is the link:

https://poloniex.com/coinRequest

Requested a couple of times, no response so far.  Maybe they wait for more votes?
Now a days they're not adding any good coin,unless you pay their fees for instant listing.A lots of new coins were added in poloniex,but not all of them are legit and good.

Poloniex it's very close to repeat the fate of Crypty (i mean exchanger) and MtGox. Very, very close.
Day after day this exchanger became more and more trustless. For me it's not good to spend our time to trying to add byteball to this excahnger.
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February 06, 2017, 10:35:01 AM
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Hi
tonych

maybe you can ask poloniex list byteball, so we can spread byteball to more people, as an developer you request counter more weight than community members.

thank you

here is the link:

https://poloniex.com/coinRequest

Requested a couple of times, no response so far.  Maybe they wait for more votes?
Now a days they're not adding any good coin,unless you pay their fees for instant listing.A lots of new coins were added in poloniex,but not all of them are legit and good.

Poloniex it's very close to repeat the fate of Crypty (i mean exchanger) and MtGox. Very, very close.
Day after day this exchanger became more and more trustless. For me it's not good to spend our time to trying to add byteball to this excahnger.

why is that?

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February 06, 2017, 10:48:29 AM
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why does the OS X app try to connect to google?

plus.google.com TCP-Port 443 (https)

What makes you think so?
There are no references to any sites (except the default hub) in the source code.

because little snitch tells my that the app wants to connect.


Seems to be nwjs, the component used by Byteball. Maybe it means NodeWebKit.js and is the browser-bundled up.

Google is known for adding a bunch of shit in every source-code they touch to "resolve" something on their servers. This could be information leakage, especially when using it over Tor - who knows what it sends to Google even if it is the hostname and datetime its too much.

@tonych, maybe see if there is a default option which has to be turned off when importing/using nwjs?

edit: https://github.com/nwjs/nw.js/issues/5343 just one issue, expect 100 more "accidents" by google. edit2: if using the chromiu-args proxy workaround, make it something else than 127.0.0.1, like 127.6.6.6 to avoid more other problems.

everyone how is happy that i posted this can send my some bytes. i still don't have any.

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thank you very much.

i am not sure if this is a security problem if you use a VPN.
but with tor? if not every connections is torified then this could really leak your IP.

i don't want to fud. i am just concerned about privacy. and i am not a hardcore techie.

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February 06, 2017, 10:52:00 AM
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Hi tonych,

Please, let us known if the following reasoning is correct.

Say there are N wallets running on the byteball network at a given time.
All of them have the same list of 12 witnesses, all them being the 12 witnesses services you currently run to bootstrap the network securely.
Now, imagine that each one of those N wallets change 1 of their witnesses to another one, but that every one change to a different one (I know that is not the way it's meant to occur in practice, but this is a theoretical reasoning).  I mean, now there are N different witnesses plus the 12 you run.
After this, is it possible for any wallet to change its list of 12 witnesses, at the same time, by any subset of 12 witnesses from the N witnesses set there are now at the network (not your 12 ones)?








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February 06, 2017, 11:01:14 AM
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why does the OS X app try to connect to google?

plus.google.com TCP-Port 443 (https)

What makes you think so?
There are no references to any sites (except the default hub) in the source code.

because little snitch tells my that the app wants to connect.


Seems to be nwjs, the component used by Byteball. Maybe it means NodeWebKit.js and is the browser-bundled up.

Google is known for adding a bunch of shit in every source-code they touch to "resolve" something on their servers. This could be information leakage, especially when using it over Tor - who knows what it sends to Google even if it is the hostname and datetime its too much.

@tonych, maybe see if there is a default option which has to be turned off when importing/using nwjs?

edit: https://github.com/nwjs/nw.js/issues/5343 just one issue, expect 100 more "accidents" by google. edit2: if using the chromiu-args proxy workaround, make it something else than 127.0.0.1, like 127.6.6.6 to avoid more other problems.

everyone how is happy that i posted this can send my some bytes. i still don't have any.

ZLQAYBCCZT2DBBD6KSLXJYCYR6QMU2VK

thank you very much.

i am not sure if this is a security problem if you use a VPN.
but with tor? if not every connections is torified then this could really leak your IP.

i don't want to fud. i am just concerned about privacy. and i am not a hardcore techie.
Sent you some as thanks for reporting this finding.

If wallet is torified/socksify/proxychains-ng, the call to google will also go over Tor. Will not leak your public IP, but still not good.
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February 06, 2017, 11:04:18 AM
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thank you for the bytes and thanks for the explanation concerning the connections through TOR.

i will try to find out what exactly is send to google. or do you already know this.

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February 06, 2017, 11:12:43 AM
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why does the OS X app try to connect to google?

plus.google.com TCP-Port 443 (https)

What makes you think so?
There are no references to any sites (except the default hub) in the source code.

because little snitch tells my that the app wants to connect.


Seems to be nwjs, the component used by Byteball. Maybe it means NodeWebKit.js and is the browser-bundled up.

Google is known for adding a bunch of shit in every source-code they touch to "resolve" something on their servers. This could be information leakage, especially when using it over Tor - who knows what it sends to Google even if it is the hostname and datetime its too much.

@tonych, maybe see if there is a default option which has to be turned off when importing/using nwjs?

edit: https://github.com/nwjs/nw.js/issues/5343 just one issue, expect 100 more "accidents" by google. edit2: if using the chromiu-args proxy workaround, make it something else than 127.0.0.1, like 127.6.6.6 to avoid more other problems.

everyone how is happy that i posted this can send my some bytes. i still don't have any.

ZLQAYBCCZT2DBBD6KSLXJYCYR6QMU2VK

thank you very much.

i am not sure if this is a security problem if you use a VPN.
but with tor? if not every connections is torified then this could really leak your IP.

i don't want to fud. i am just concerned about privacy. and i am not a hardcore techie.
Sent you some as thanks for reporting this finding.

If wallet is torified/socksify/proxychains-ng, the call to google will also go over Tor. Will not leak your public IP, but still not good.


Let me add, and even more so if you use whonix.
I can attest it works.
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February 06, 2017, 11:17:15 AM
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thank you for the bytes and thanks for the explanation concerning the connections through TOR.

i will try to find out what exactly is send to google. or do you already know this.
I do not know, its difficult to find out since its TLS 443.

You can also block it by saying in your /etc/hosts 127.1.2.3 plus.google.com google.com but that will block for all other programs too.

To reveal what it is requesting is, if on Linux, run it with strace with filter on file/read/write and network system-calls.  
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February 06, 2017, 11:52:47 AM
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an other connection. this one if funny a tiny picture.

i.ytimg.com

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wants to connect to i.ytimg.com on TCP port 443 (https)

   IP Address   172.217.22.174
   Reverse DNS Name   arn09s11-in-f14.1e100.net
   Established by   /Applications/Byteball.app/Contents/MacOS/nwjs
   Process ID   3668

something googelish according the IP


i will no stop reporting. because i think it is clear that nwjs thing is the reason. dev will know what to do.

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February 06, 2017, 12:15:09 PM
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an other connection. this one if funny a tiny picture.

i.ytimg.com

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wants to connect to i.ytimg.com on TCP port 443 (https)

   IP Address   172.217.22.174
   Reverse DNS Name   arn09s11-in-f14.1e100.net
   Established by   /Applications/Byteball.app/Contents/MacOS/nwjs
   Process ID   3668

something googelish according the IP


i will no stop reporting. because i think it is clear that nwjs thing is the reason. dev will no what to do.

good job but don't go paranoid.

just collect the all issues and make gathered report, it would be better than separate posts.

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an other connection. this one if funny a tiny picture.

i.ytimg.com

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wants to connect to i.ytimg.com on TCP port 443 (https)

   IP Address   172.217.22.174
   Reverse DNS Name   arn09s11-in-f14.1e100.net
   Established by   /Applications/Byteball.app/Contents/MacOS/nwjs
   Process ID   3668

something googelish according the IP


i will no stop reporting. because i think it is clear that nwjs thing is the reason. dev will no what to do.
Dont stop reporting, curiously, this one is very weird, now Im gonna see if this happens on Linux wallets, will report back.

Until then, just maybe, you have some kind of virus/malware on your MacOS which would also cause this.

EDIT: Yes, mine too is talking to clients1.google.com and arn09s10-in-f142.1e100.net on startup. Thats the y.img you see too. clients.l.google.com also resolves to it.
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February 06, 2017, 12:55:51 PM
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How do you guys think the future price? Will it go much lower than now? The supply in circulation will be much more. I doubt the price will be dropping hard or not?
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How do you guys think the future price? Will it go much lower than now? The supply in circulation will be much more. I doubt the price will be dropping hard or not?

i think that some dump is predictable (esp after the circulation rising).

but also we can expect the rise after goin' into the top 20.

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February 06, 2017, 02:08:29 PM
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I am slightly confused. The opening post in this thread states:

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The snapshots for the second round will be taken on the Full Moon of February, on February 11 at 00:33 UTC.  In this round, you receive:
- 62.5 MB for every 1 BTC of proven balance
- 0.1 new bytes for every 1 byte you own at the moment of the snapshot

It then goes on to say:

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The 3rd and subsequent rounds (yet to be announced) will follow similar rules, but the relative weight of bytes vs. BTC in the 3rd and further rounds will change and will gradually increase to 1 BTC=62.5 MB.

Does this mean that the weighting of the third round is likely to be less then 62.5MB per BTC, so that it can then increase back to 62.5MB per BTC in later rounds? It is a little confusing to say that it will be distributed as 62.5MB and then later increase to 62.5MB.

The relative weight of bytes vs. BTC will increase, so you will get more for your bytes than for your BTC in further rounds!

Oh I see. Thank you for that clarification.
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February 06, 2017, 02:53:22 PM
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I read those sections, but (the way I understand it at least) at some point the network still relies on trusted nodes to function, leaving it wide open to sybil attacks.

Could you be more specific please, how would you sybil attack?

Dev:

Code:
Could not sent payment:know  bad
Why send is so unstable,It  have a  lot  of bugs.

yes of course he can be more specific who is giving such knowledge all of us.
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February 06, 2017, 02:56:38 PM
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Yeah, guys you can avoid the desktop wallet contacting clients1.google.com by starting it like this

$ export https_proxy=http://127.8.8.8
$ export http_proxy=http://127.7.7.7
$ ./Byteball

That is, nw.js respects the environment variables https_proxy and http_proxy, so you can achieve
the same effect when setting a fake proxy in your System settings, if you arent comfortable starting apps from command line.

In waiting for better solution this will do.
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February 06, 2017, 04:01:34 PM
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Hi tonych,

Please, let us known if the following reasoning is correct.

Say there are N wallets running on the byteball network at a given time.
All of them have the same list of 12 witnesses, all them being the 12 witnesses services you currently run to bootstrap the network securely.
Now, imagine that each one of those N wallets change 1 of their witnesses to another one, but that every one change to a different one (I know that is not the way it's meant to occur in practice, but this is a theoretical reasoning).  I mean, now there are N different witnesses plus the 12 you run.
After this, is it possible for any wallet to change its list of 12 witnesses, at the same time, by any subset of 12 witnesses from the N witnesses set there are now at the network (not your 12 ones)?

When changing your witness list you remove one old witness and replace it with a new one.  If the removed witness is the same on all nodes (which is more likely in practice, e.g. if negative information about a witness is released), all nodes stay compatible: only one mutation relative to the old list and relative to each other.  The nodes can perform more changes as long as their new lists stay compatible.

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February 06, 2017, 05:29:33 PM
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an other connection. this one if funny a tiny picture.

i.ytimg.com

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wants to connect to i.ytimg.com on TCP port 443 (https)

   IP Address   172.217.22.174
   Reverse DNS Name   arn09s11-in-f14.1e100.net
   Established by   /Applications/Byteball.app/Contents/MacOS/nwjs
   Process ID   3668

something googelish according the IP


i will no stop reporting. because i think it is clear that nwjs thing is the reason. dev will know what to do.

Thanks for reporting.  As other people said here and in a few github issues, it is some (supposedly dead) code in nwjs making connections to google properties.  These connections will be blocked in the next release.  If you want to block them now, edit your package.json by adding this proxy setting:

https://github.com/byteball/byteball/commit/dfdd00808e3ac8f3268e7e346c2009bb403260f5

The location of package.json on Mac is /Applications/Byteball.app/Contents/Resources/app.nw/package.json.

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