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May 19, 2017, 03:06:10 PM
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It could be he's just a honest enthousiast, but I can't know for sure.


I am. But you dont' have to trust me anyway. The only thing you have to trust is that 6 witnesses (that is to say a majority of the 12) does not collude together.

There is no risk using our witness.

It goes hand-in-hand to not trust the operator is to not trust the witness  Roll Eyes
Sure, I understand. While we all trust in Tonych' (and we do) that is not a problem but keep in mind that the project will be mature only when true witnesses diversity will exist. That's why MEJGDND55XNON7UU3ZKERJIZMMXJTVCV is posting, just for thoses who want to use it.

I think to piggy back onto what you are saying, until there is further adoption, there cannot be true diversity. If theoretically only the members of this thread were using ByteBalls then there has to be some level of overlap within the group. Unless of course every person on here was a poweruser and each person wanted to be a witness and etc.
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May 19, 2017, 03:11:51 PM
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Covering entire south/east Europe with my hub at home Shocked

wss://byteball.zuqka.info/bb

https://screenshot.net/e1kv6ad

Plus these other 2 on paid vps. Giving back Wink

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wss://blackbytes.me/bb



Better than a partial screen shot. The full byteball world map is here :




Oh my  Sad Point of screenshot was to show the location and the link. Yes it's your map and I find it pretty cool. And that's all about all I like about it. You guys have to change the way on how to gain trust.

I am pleased war is over. Have a nice day zuqka.

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May 19, 2017, 03:19:49 PM
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It could be he's just a honest enthousiast, but I can't know for sure.


I am. But you dont' have to trust me anyway. The only thing you have to trust is that 6 witnesses (that is to say a majority of the 12) does not collude together.

There is no risk using our witness.

It goes hand-in-hand to not trust the operator is to not trust the witness  Roll Eyes
Sure, I understand. While we all trust in Tonych' (and we do) that is not a problem but keep in mind that the project will be mature only when true witnesses diversity will exist. That's why MEJGDND55XNON7UU3ZKERJIZMMXJTVCV is posting, just for thoses who want to use it.

I think to piggy back onto what you are saying, until there is further adoption, there cannot be true diversity. If theoretically only the members of this thread were using ByteBalls then there has to be some level of overlap within the group. Unless of course every person on here was a poweruser and each person wanted to be a witness and etc.

One could imagine a system where all wallets would be potential witnesses such forming a permanent "pool of anonymous witnesses" and each wallet posting a units would pick 12 (or more) among the pool at random but it is not Byteball anymore...would be a fork.

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May 19, 2017, 04:45:42 PM
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For the monthly free distibution :
Can we have multiple btc accounts linked to the same byteball account ?
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Yes, that is possible. (You can link as many addresses as you like)
example:


But you have to make sure that at the time of the snapshot your BTC (to receive Bytes) and your Bytes (to receive Blackbytes) are consolidated on the linked addresses (linked addresses are the red ones).

To make this clear: Linking one adress from a BTC- or a BB-wallet doesn’t mean you link the whole wallet.
You link only adresses. And thus also only the amount present thereon (at time of snapshot).

It is important to understand this, because the amounts on the addresses are changed for each transaction.
It is therefore absolutely necessary to check before the snapshot whether the BTCs and bytes are on the linked addresses (Bot tells you).
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May 19, 2017, 05:21:42 PM
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I wonder how the recent BTC TX backlog will affect future byte distributions.
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May 19, 2017, 05:35:00 PM
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i have two questions, when the next distribution will be? and can i link the same bitcoin address to another byteball address for the next distribution or i need more bitcoin linked with new address?

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May 19, 2017, 07:03:04 PM
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It could be he's just a honest enthousiast, but I can't know for sure.


I am. But you dont' have to trust me anyway. The only thing you have to trust is that 6 witnesses (that is to say a majority of the 12) does not collude together.

There is no risk using our witness.
what the fuck.

The whole point of witness is that you have to be trusted.

Yes you can wreck havoc as a witness, especially attempting to be first, you set a precedent. You can attempt double spends on your own.

The risk is huge for Byteball if anyone uses your witness, after what you have shown and said so far.

Actually, ByteFan is right. All we need to care is that the majority of witnesses don't collude. All 12 witnesses belonging to one person (event if it is tonych) is a bigger threat to the network than 12 witnesses belonging to 12 random guys.

What I meant with "have to be trusted" above is exactly the point that the witnesses should not collude. Trusted in the social sense, especially because it is an attempt to snatch the first witness, it sets a precedent for others to follow. Technically of course anyone can start a witness and anyone can spend their own bytes to post transactions using that witness and seemingly inflating any "% of units using the witness in last 1000 transactions" - big deal. As long as majority is honest, network is good.

I, for one, do not for a second doubt that ByteFan would be the first to collude with other witnesses, or make more of them behind different personas, given a chance.

Would you honestly trust that 12 anonymous random guys are actually 12 random real persons and not sockpuppets of ByteFan?
This is why witnesses have to be known in the real world, as the whitepaper says, reputable business or persons,
to whom we place the trust that they wouldnt collude with others and post frequently enough.
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May 19, 2017, 08:00:42 PM
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Would you honestly trust that 12 anonymous random guys are actually 12 random real persons and not sockpuppets of ByteFan?

Yes, if measures against Sybil attack are used.
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May 19, 2017, 08:14:53 PM
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Now you can P2P bet on the results of football matches using smart contracts:



TKT4UESIKTTRALRRLWS4SENSTJX6ODCW is the address of the sports oracle who will post the result of the game.  This oracle is also a witness.

After the result is known, chat with the sports oracle, its pairing code is Ar1O7dGgkkcABYNAbShlY2Pbx6LmUzoyRh6F14vM0vTZ@byteball.org/bb#0000.  



Then the backer can unlock the contract if his prediction was correct.  Otherwise, the layer can unlock the contract after the contract expires.

A small guide about composing the contract:
1. Oracle address is TKT4UESIKTTRALRRLWS4SENSTJX6ODCW
2. Data feed name is in the format HOMETEAM_AWAYTEAM_YYYY-MM-DD
3. Remove common abbreviations from the team names such as FC, AS, etc
4. Write team names in upper case
5. Remove spaces from multi-word team names.  Manchester United becomes MANCHESTERUNITED
6. Date of the match is in YYYY-MM-DD format
7. Value of the feed is the name of the winner team formatted according to the same rules, or DRAW

You don't need to tell the bot the date of the match, it will find the most recent game between the two teams within the last 7 days.  When talking with the bot, type the names of the teams as they are commonly known (without FC, AS, etc).

Source code: https://github.com/byteball/sports-oracle


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May 19, 2017, 08:28:49 PM
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Would you honestly trust that 12 anonymous random guys are actually 12 random real persons and not sockpuppets of ByteFan?

Yes, if measures against Sybil attack are used.
Dude, you use words which you dont even understand. Why dont you go and work on your scam coin iota, I heard its soooon going to launch on exchanges, any day now...
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May 19, 2017, 08:41:12 PM
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Now you can P2P bet on the results of football matches using smart contracts:



TKT4UESIKTTRALRRLWS4SENSTJX6ODCW is the address of the sports oracle who will post the result of the game.  This oracle is also a witness.

After the result is known, chat with the sports oracle, its pairing code is Ar1O7dGgkkcABYNAbShlY2Pbx6LmUzoyRh6F14vM0vTZ@byteball.org/bb#0000.  



Then the backer can unlock the contract if his prediction was correct.  Otherwise, the layer can unlock the contract after the contract expires.

A small guide about composing the contract:
1. Oracle address is TKT4UESIKTTRALRRLWS4SENSTJX6ODCW
2. Data feed name is in the format HOMETEAM_AWAYTEAM_YYYY-MM-DD
3. Remove common abbreviations from the team names such as FC, AS, etc
4. Write team names in upper case
5. Remove spaces from multi-word team names.  Manchester United becomes MANCHESTERUNITED
6. Date of the match is in YYYY-MM-DD format
7. Value of the feed is the name of the winner team formatted according to the same rules, or DRAW

You don't need to tell the bot the date of the match, it will find the most recent game between the two teams within the last 7 days.  When talking with the bot, type the names of the teams as they are commonly known (without FC, AS, etc).

Source code: https://github.com/byteball/sports-oracle


Absolutely amazing feature on byteball
Great release...... thanks tony Cheesy

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May 19, 2017, 10:02:05 PM
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It could be he's just a honest enthousiast, but I can't know for sure.


I am. But you dont' have to trust me anyway. The only thing you have to trust is that 6 witnesses (that is to say a majority of the 12) does not collude together.

There is no risk using our witness.
what the fuck.

The whole point of witness is that you have to be trusted.

Yes you can wreck havoc as a witness, especially attempting to be first, you set a precedent. You can attempt double spends on your own.

The risk is huge for Byteball if anyone uses your witness, after what you have shown and said so far.

Actually, ByteFan is right. All we need to care is that the majority of witnesses don't collude. All 12 witnesses belonging to one person (event if it is tonych) is a bigger threat to the network than 12 witnesses belonging to 12 random guys.


I, for one, do not for a second doubt that ByteFan would be the first to collude with other witnesses, or make more of them behind different personas, given a chance.


Wahou I am the daemon among the 12 apostles. God, the bible, the 12 apostles and now the daemon. Everything makes sens sudently.

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May 19, 2017, 10:03:26 PM
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Now you can P2P bet on the results of football matches using smart contracts:



TKT4UESIKTTRALRRLWS4SENSTJX6ODCW is the address of the sports oracle who will post the result of the game.  This oracle is also a witness.

After the result is known, chat with the sports oracle, its pairing code is Ar1O7dGgkkcABYNAbShlY2Pbx6LmUzoyRh6F14vM0vTZ@byteball.org/bb#0000.  



Then the backer can unlock the contract if his prediction was correct.  Otherwise, the layer can unlock the contract after the contract expires.

A small guide about composing the contract:
1. Oracle address is TKT4UESIKTTRALRRLWS4SENSTJX6ODCW
2. Data feed name is in the format HOMETEAM_AWAYTEAM_YYYY-MM-DD
3. Remove common abbreviations from the team names such as FC, AS, etc
4. Write team names in upper case
5. Remove spaces from multi-word team names.  Manchester United becomes MANCHESTERUNITED
6. Date of the match is in YYYY-MM-DD format
7. Value of the feed is the name of the winner team formatted according to the same rules, or DRAW

You don't need to tell the bot the date of the match, it will find the most recent game between the two teams within the last 7 days.  When talking with the bot, type the names of the teams as they are commonly known (without FC, AS, etc).

Source code: https://github.com/byteball/sports-oracle



Yupiiiiii... that's amazing... Great new feature for byteball  Grin
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May 19, 2017, 10:16:18 PM
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Very nice!! When will be the next Distribution Huh

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May 19, 2017, 10:28:24 PM
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The price is dumping - when its free, its free money.  Grin


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May 19, 2017, 10:32:50 PM
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Very nice!! When will be the next Distribution Huh

June 9, 2017 at 13:10 UTC
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May 19, 2017, 11:13:03 PM
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Dude, you use words which you dont even understand.

Is it the only counterargument you have?
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May 19, 2017, 11:18:51 PM
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Dude, you use words which you dont even understand.

Is it the only counterargument you have?

Keeps the thread bumping and my inbox full of notifications of this thread lol, Loving it  keep up the drama Cheesy

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May 19, 2017, 11:30:41 PM
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The price is dumping - when its free, its free money.  Grin

it will go up before the distribution

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May 19, 2017, 11:56:08 PM
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Keeps the thread bumping and my inbox full of notifications of this thread lol, Loving it  keep up the drama Cheesy

Everyone loves drama and thread bumps, you are not alone. Next week this thread will be bumped more often.
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