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December 28, 2017, 05:54:11 PM
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You could say "why are prices like 99 or 349, and not 100 and 350, noone would fall for that, people arent stupid are they"

But they are stupid,  stupid ones run the economy.
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December 28, 2017, 07:23:19 PM
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Nothing's stopping ppl from buying/selling Eth being 700$+ a coin and trading with volumes over 10,000 BTC / 24 hours on the 3 top exchanges. Byteball can do the same just as it is.

700$ you say? What would be the price of a GBYTE if it has the same market cap as ETH?

I'm talking about trading volume, not mkc. You're not on the same page. Other than that, I'm sure you already calculated what the price/gbyte would be at ETH's marketcap, which would be around 70,000$/gbyte when circulating supply reaches 1M.  Bitcoin is nearing 20,000$, Who says Byteball can't do it, it's packed with more features, and a faster network than bitcoin.... so why not  Cool

I have quite a lot of arguments for you... But I value my energy, it's my most precious asset. I'll say just this.. BRAND recognition. You cannot compare Byteball, as a brand, with Bitcoin. If Bitcoin would have sold in "bits" (1bit = 100 satoshi) instead of whole bitcoins, we'd probably be seeing a higher marketcap.

I've spoken with tens of people who are new to crypto-space, and most of them (i'd say 8 out of 10) initially tell me "this is cheap, this is expensive" based ONLY on price per unit.

There's actually a marketing science applied to price-tagging. Why do you think most of the prices you see in stores look like "$99.99" or "39.99"? Because most people think in the lines of "oh, this costs 90bucks, and this costs 30 bucks", when in reality it costs $100 and $40, respectively. Now this may not fool you or me and a few of the rest. But it damn works, and it boosts profits by 20 - 50%, based on industry.

I'm curious if there are actual concrete steps we could take on this direction. I'd be willing to put some effort into this.

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December 28, 2017, 07:51:49 PM
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Hi!

I've found that Byteball chat is very cool and working like charm, but wondering that is the Byteball chat encrypted or not?

Also would love to know that is TOR option going to be in Android wallet anytime soon?

Thanks in advance!

The chat is encrypted end-to-end.
It seems to me that TOR was removed from Android app, I don't remember why.

That's very nice. So you say that Android wallet have had TOR-feature before?

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December 28, 2017, 07:57:51 PM
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What's so difficult with Gbyte units?  The coin's value is btc/gbyte, you'd end up dealing with larger numbers using MB and smaller fractions of btc when trading... and some exchanges  have a minimum btc value for trading, (Trex is 100k btc sats) minimum per trade.

But if this is changed to Mbyte, where right now 1 Gbyte = 0.05 BTC,  

Then

1 Mbyte = 0.00005 BTC


Why is this better?



dont get it either. psychologicaly its making no difference, because you get all this millions of bytes anyway

What???!

Wait a minute.. Let me say again... What?Huh What do you mean psychologicaly no difference?!

There are a lot of people I know in real life, who, exposed to this, will invest in what has a small price per unit, regardless of total monetary mass (the number of units in existence). You are not .. just wrong with that affirmation, you are way off!

The argument above with "1 Gbyte = 0.05 BTC" being better for trading compared to "1 Mbyte = 0.00005" is not convincing either, because the average trading size per position is around 1-2GB's anyhow (I'm speculating here based on common sense)... and there are make tokens/coins/cryptoassets with a unit price of around 5000+ satoshis and people have no major problems trading that... Also, the average joe doesn't daily trade.

One extra argument for the price denomination cut (from GB to MB) would be that standard stock market is used to splitting shares, in order to keep prices in around the same area (of two to tree digit price).

I said, "Why is this better?", not "it IS". and thus you went on a rant that didn't provide a reason to my question. you just responded as if I made a statement not a question...

But in either case. regardless the denomination of how the coin is listed, if it's in Gbyte or in Mbytes, it doesn't change the fact of how much the coins cost $ USD wise... you can't make it look "cheaper" to a noob trader, or average joe unless its actually cheaper.  1000 Mbytes is still 0.05 btc no matter how you try to put it. And you can go on an exchange and buy 1 gbytes which is the same as 1000 mbytes, or 0.0001 gbytes = 1 mbytes. Thus, speaking for myself here, I don't see the justification to change this.

Furthermore where you said:
and there are make tokens/coins/cryptoassets with a unit price of around 5000+ satoshis and people have no major problems trading that... Also, the average joe doesn't daily trade.

Incorrect, Trex has a minimum 50,000 sats (BTC) per trade. thus in Byteballs case, the minimum order as of right now that you could place using (Mbytes) would be

0.00950515 Gbytes =  9.5 Mbytes

So I ask again, what is the difference? the USD/byteball value is still the same, why would there be any different incentive for a trader to buy it just because the decimals are in a different position? whether they trade/own .0095 gbytes in their account or 9.5 Mbytes they still gonna have the SAME $7 (rounded) in their account. And the Exchange would be showing instead 1 Mbyte as 0.70$. So oh, it's 70 cents, but that's not per "coin" it's per megabytes, byteball is the coin, and megabytes are a fraction of it. 1 byteball = 1gbyte (and has been this way since the beginning). So you're asking the dev to say that 1 byteball = 1 mbyte by making this switch on the exchange.

The thing is just here that newcomers often looks just the USD price of the currency. If it's 700$, it seems lot more expensive that 0,70$ or 0,0007$. USD price of currencies doesn't personally matter anything for me, but I know lot of people that bought something else because the price of GBYTE. Maybe that's a good thing and let's Byteball grow organically, who knows.

Byteball = GBYTE? I don't think so. Byteball is the platform and bytes are bytes, right?

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December 28, 2017, 08:20:00 PM
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let's change the basic unit to MB or KB ?


i think byteball reasonable valuation should be 50% of IOTA !

I think IOTA reasonable valuation should be 50% of byteball because IOTA even doesn't have a warking wallet and peoples that use it have a lot of trouble!
And I think byteball need more exchange.
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December 28, 2017, 08:22:38 PM
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Help needed please.  Inside Byteball, there is a Byte-BTC exchange. I accidentally sent all of my blackbytes to that address. Is there anyway I may recover? Thanks very much.

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December 28, 2017, 08:23:25 PM
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byteball should be 50% of iota ?
Why not, the technology is online.  Wink

500% of iota he meant to post. Well done I agree.

But byteball fans all hide in here telling each other how great it is whilst iota fans are all over the main alt board where the noobs arrive to find the cheap iota and expensive bb Sad

let's change the basic unit to MB or KB ?


i think byteball reasonable valuation should be 50% of IOTA !


Not only that given XRB rise the past couple of weeks I am beginning to think Byteball is in for a good run sooner or later only question is when. Doesn't really matter to me when though I got my bag filled and am ready either way Smiley

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December 28, 2017, 08:24:40 PM
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let's change the basic unit to MB or KB ?


i think byteball reasonable valuation should be 50% of IOTA !

I think IOTA reasonable valuation should be 50% of byteball because IOTA even doesn't have a warking wallet and peoples that use it have a lot of trouble!
And I think byteball need more exchange.


Well what about the fact iota is not even able to operate in a decentralised manner right now. It has its coordinator training wheels on and they are afraid to remove them. I would find that far more worrying right now.

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December 28, 2017, 08:25:00 PM
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Any more progress on the discussion wether to use as a standard unit of measure of Byteball's price the Megabyte instead of the Gigabyte?

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December 28, 2017, 08:49:18 PM
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Any more progress on the discussion wether to use as a standard unit of measure of Byteball's price the Megabyte instead of the Gigabyte?

If you mean convincing the exchanges to make the change then no. In fact, it seems even some users have a hard time believing it will make a difference.

The effect is called unit bias and is not uncommon. It is even observed in stocks when they split.
Don't try to prove logically that it makes no difference. We know that and of course it is the case... but we are talking about people's perceptions here which are not always consistent with logic.

Yes, as mentioned, eth has no problem being traded. Neither do btc, bch, dash and all the other coins with high value units. Nobody said that people will not buy a coin because of this. We are saying that it affects their decision, particularly the more inexperienced ones.

You could argue that in the long run it will not matter. Maybe, maybe not, but I see no reason why not to make the change if possible.

As for the argument that bittrex has a minimum trade of 50000 sat, it means nothing. So what if you cannot buy and sell a single unit? This is true for any coin lower than a 50000 sat/unit, so plenty of them.

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December 28, 2017, 08:53:01 PM
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Help needed please.  Inside Byteball, there is a Byte-BTC exchange. I accidentally sent all of my blackbytes to that address. Is there anyway I may recover? Thanks very much.
Do you have a sale-order now or did you sell them cheap?

As for the argument that bittrex has a minimum trade of 50000 sat
It doubled:
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The minimum trade value for orders is 100,000 Satoshis

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December 29, 2017, 02:12:43 AM
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Help needed please.  Inside Byteball, there is a Byte-BTC exchange. I accidentally sent all of my blackbytes to that address. Is there anyway I may recover? Thanks very much.
Do you have a sale-order now or did you sell them cheap?

I supposed to send GBYTE to that given address, I instead sent blackbytes to that address. I guess I lost all of my blackbytes.

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December 29, 2017, 02:21:41 AM
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Guys!

I have built a BYTEBALL VIDEO FAUCET and I am giving away until END OF 2017 for FREE 5,000,000 bytes for every new Byteball user:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Up5mWozjHhI

This is also a perfect tool to support the growth of Byteball community (and Byteball PRICE!)
Please help me with that!

You can also get free byteball, but even more important:
YOU CAN RAISE THE VALUE OF YOUR BYTEBALL ASSETS by spreading the news about the faucet.
The more users own and transact in Byteball, the more valuable Byteball becomes and it's price rises.
Until now, roughly 500 new users created byteball wallets and joined our community through this campaign.
This is a good way to also reach mainstream adoption of byteball.

So help me promote Byteball and increase your net worth at the same time!

But hurry up! The campaign runs until December 31 only.

Just share the video link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Up5mWozjHhI
with on your Social Media channels with some nice comments like:
"Become a Byteball Millionaire"
"Get 5,000,000 Byteball for free"
or
"First Byteball Faucet"
"Get free Byteball from the Byteball Video Faucet"

You could also post the screenshot of your wallet with the funds you've received like this guy did:
https://twitter.com/benjamim/status/946325369963114496

Thanx so much for making this community great! Let's make things happen!

What do you think of this initiative?

Hey just for clarification - is this a contest or are you giving away some GBytes to people who participate in the campaign?

Ooops never mind - just watched the video and figured out it was a faucet. You're awesome. Proceeding to share the video to my social media pages!
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December 29, 2017, 02:23:47 AM
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Is the free airdrop for bitcoin holders still ongoing, or is it finished?
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December 29, 2017, 02:28:30 AM
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Here is your link to receive 0.001 GB: https://byteball.org/openapp.html#textcoin?nephew-mountain-buddy-erupt-luxury-mechanic-shoulder-reject-calm-guilt-size-cinnamon

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Help needed please.  Inside Byteball, there is a Byte-BTC exchange. I accidentally sent all of my blackbytes to that address. Is there anyway I may recover? Thanks very much.
Do you have a sale-order now or did you sell them cheap?
I supposed to send GBYTE to that given address, I instead sent blackbytes to that address. I guess I lost all of my blackbytes.

That is correct, because that address didn't get them either since you have to be paired to the address in order for them to get them.

There is a slight chance you can pair if the received is willing and able to do the pairing.  It's difficult since it is a bot.

Just wanted to point out that they didn't just magically receive your blackbytes.

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December 29, 2017, 02:29:59 AM
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Here is your link to receive 0.001 GB: https://byteball.org/openapp.html#textcoin?nephew-mountain-buddy-erupt-luxury-mechanic-shoulder-reject-calm-guilt-size-cinnamon

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Is the free airdrop for bitcoin holders still ongoing, or is it finished?

Still going.  Next one in March.
Information in the very first post and on  www.byteball.org



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December 29, 2017, 02:31:15 AM
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Is the free airdrop for bitcoin holders still ongoing, or is it finished?

I think that's in Feb/March
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December 29, 2017, 03:07:00 AM
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I have quite a lot of arguments for you... But I value my energy, it's my most precious asset. I'll say just this.. BRAND recognition. You cannot compare Byteball, as a brand, with Bitcoin. If Bitcoin would have sold in "bits" (1bit = 100 satoshi) instead of whole bitcoins, we'd probably be seeing a higher marketcap.

I've spoken with tens of people who are new to crypto-space, and most of them (i'd say 8 out of 10) initially tell me "this is cheap, this is expensive" based ONLY on price per unit.

There's actually a marketing science applied to price-tagging. Why do you think most of the prices you see in stores look like "$99.99" or "39.99"? Because most people think in the lines of "oh, this costs 90bucks, and this costs 30 bucks", when in reality it costs $100 and $40, respectively. Now this may not fool you or me and a few of the rest. But it damn works, and it boosts profits by 20 - 50%, based on industry.

I'm curious if there are actual concrete steps we could take on this direction. I'd be willing to put some effort into this.


Very good post on the topic, thanks man

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December 29, 2017, 05:20:03 AM
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Blackbytes Escrow Exchange Bot (BEEB) is offering you 1,000,000 Bytes!

Buy and sale your BlackBytes on BEEB bot - More info at http://beeb-bot.com


Here is your link to receive 1,000,000 Bytes: https://byteball.org/openapp.html#textcoin?grain-enough-kitten-shine-follow-decade-evolve-cinnamon-cliff-acid-point-result

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December 29, 2017, 05:50:40 AM
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Where is tony ch??

where is his direct response to the fact the entire thread is discussing the moving of gbyte to mbyte

same as where was his direct response to the fact giving most of the bb away to competing ico managers was a shit idea.

I am not getting this lack of involvement on key issues?

bittrex will change the unit tag if tony ch tells them too 100% I have seen it done before with other projects.

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