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September 12, 2016, 06:31:56 AM
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It was somewhat recently (~3 weeks ago) brought to my attention that Vod made an implied death threat against me via the following post:

I think Quickseller really should kill himself.

It was later clarified by Vod that this post was not a joke

I really wish the guy would kill himself already

This statement is fairly clearly an implied threat, and is most likely illegal in Canada.

While these kinds of implied threats are very clearly very wrong, especially when unprovoked, I believe the community as a whole should very strongly condemn this kind of behavior, especially when then author is not simply frustrated with someone, but rather has acknowledged that he really means it when he makes these kinds of statements.

This kind of behavior is so egregious that I believe that anyone supporting, and/or trusting someone who makes these kinds of threats, is himself condoning violence, and as a result I do not think it is a good idea to trade with these people.

I have previously sent a PM to the below list of people advising them of the situation. This list of people only includes those that I am certain received my PM, and those that have discussed the situation with my in one way or another that leads me to believe they do not condone these kinds of threats have not been included in this list.

The below list of people are those that I believe condone threats of violence. It is my opinion that everyone should avoid doing any kind of business with the below people:

Cyrus - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=78147 (staff member)
dooglus - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3420
QuestionAuthority - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=72795
Amitabh S - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=72118
KWH - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=70535
GIANNAT - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=73619
kcud_dab - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=85550 (staff member)
Gws24 - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=101842
mentalpanda - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=160727
cakir - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=205338
Aggressor66 - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=224500
whywefight - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=289686
micky123 - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=327665
mexxer-2 - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=341982
Steamingoff - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=511296
mr.relax - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=522205

The following companies have advertisement deal with one or more of above users and/or are run by the above users, and as a result I believe you should avoid doing any kind of business with the below companies:

JustDice.com


In the event that corrective action is taken by anyone on the above list and/or anyone on the above list can defend their position to my satisfaction, I will reconsider their position on this list.

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September 12, 2016, 07:19:39 AM
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FFS, QS, you are really reaching on this one.

He said something offensive, not threatening.

Jog on.


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September 12, 2016, 11:05:27 AM
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Killing yourself is not violent, unless you take other people with you.  (See Sep 11, 2001)

Are you planning to do that, Quickseller?

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September 12, 2016, 11:36:32 AM
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It was somewhat recently (~3 weeks ago) brought to my attention that Vod made an implied death threat against me via the following post:

I think Quickseller really should kill himself.

It was later clarified by Vod that this post was not a joke

I really wish the guy would kill himself already

This statement is fairly clearly an implied threat, and is most likely illegal in Canada.

While these kinds of implied threats are very clearly very wrong, especially when unprovoked, I believe the community as a whole should very strongly condemn this kind of behavior, especially when then author is not simply frustrated with someone, but rather has acknowledged that he really means it when he makes these kinds of statements.

This kind of behavior is so egregious that I believe that anyone supporting, and/or trusting someone who makes these kinds of threats, is himself condoning violence, and as a result I do not think it is a good idea to trade with these people.

I have previously sent a PM to the below list of people advising them of the situation. This list of people only includes those that I am certain received my PM, and those that have discussed the situation with my in one way or another that leads me to believe they do not condone these kinds of threats have not been included in this list.

The below list of people are those that I believe condone threats of violence. It is my opinion that everyone should avoid doing any kind of business with the below people:

Cyrus - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=78147 (staff member)
dooglus - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3420
QuestionAuthority - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=72795
Amitabh S - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=72118
KWH - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=70535
GIANNAT - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=73619
kcud_dab - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=85550 (staff member)
Gws24 - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=101842
mentalpanda - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=160727
cakir - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=205338
Aggressor66 - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=224500
whywefight - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=289686
micky123 - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=327665
mexxer-2 - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=341982
Steamingoff - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=511296
mr.relax - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=522205

The following companies are advertised by the above users and/or are run by the above users, and as a result I believe you should avoid doing any kind of business with the below companies:

JustDice.com



In the event that corrective action is taken by anyone on the above list and/or anyone on the above list can defend their position to my satisfaction, I will reconsider their position on this list.

Self-moderated thread. Posts that I deem to be trolling and/or off topic will be removed by myself.  

1. You stated another bald faced lie. Show me where I have endorsed any dice site.
2. Stop trying to drag others in your drama. You originally opened your large, wriggling can of worms months back all on your own. Deal with it.
3. You cite Canada law, I don't live in Canada. You have an issue with Vod, file a lawsuit.
4. You have shot your last remaining credibility with me.
5. I tried to give you the benefit of a doubt with your past mistakes but this is the last straw.

When the subject of buying BTC with Paypal comes up, I often remember this: 

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

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September 12, 2016, 11:51:36 PM
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It was somewhat recently (~3 weeks ago) brought to my attention that Vod made an implied death threat against me via the following post:

I think Quickseller really should kill himself.

Everyone is free to think what he wants. Expressing it didnt hurt you at all.

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It was later clarified by Vod that this post was not a joke

I really wish the guy would kill himself already

Same goes for wishes...

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This statement is fairly clearly an implied threat, and is most likely illegal in Canada.

Cool thing, to think you are a faggot, a fucktard, a complete idiot is not illegal in good old germany!

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While these kinds of implied threats are very clearly very wrong, especially when unprovoked, I believe the community as a whole should very strongly condemn this kind of behavior, especially when then author is not simply frustrated with someone, but rather has acknowledged that he really means it when he makes these kinds of statements.

At this point i can no longer take you serious.

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This kind of behavior is so egregious that I believe that anyone supporting, and/or trusting someone who makes these kinds of threats, is himself condoning violence, and as a result I do not think it is a good idea to trade with these people.

Its awesome how you ignore your own behavior, where can i lean to be so ignorant?

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I have previously sent a PM to the below list of people advising them of the situation. This list of people only includes those that I am certain received my PM, and those that have discussed the situation with my in one way or another that leads me to believe they do not condone these kinds of threats have not been included in this list.

I explained it to you, but it seems you can't read -> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583076.msg16004094#msg16004094

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Prove i do so. Oh wait you cannot. Did you know: to say i did something, to make me look bad, which i didnt is illegal over here? Wut naow?

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The following companies are advertised by the above users and/or are run by the above users, and as a result I believe you should avoid doing any kind of business with the below companies:

JustDice.com

Prove i ever advertised JustDice.com or else you are a poor liar... oh wait you cannot... hmmmmm....

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In the event that corrective action is taken by anyone on the above list and/or anyone on the above list can defend their position to my satisfaction, I will reconsider their position on this list.

I did but to be honest. I dont care. Well a bit cause i will enjoy this. Put your guns up, mate!

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Self-moderated thread. Posts that I deem to be trolling and/or off topic will be removed by myself. 

This topic it self is trolling. Basicly you will delete whoever disagrees with you. WHAT A SUPRISE!!!!



Demand for compensation

I have been looking into a couple of your messages and estimated the time I spend on reading, thinking about it and replying. I came to the assumption that basically 65.97% of them are crap and wasted my time I could have used better. Based on my calculated hourly rates, I hereby inform you about my claims.

1) I demand a compensation of 0.72861514BTC regardless of the current exchange rate as I don’t accept any kind of FIAT money or other assets. In the rare case, the amount won’t be sent to me in a period of 7 days after receiving this message a compounded interest of 1% per day applies.
2) I demand a public apology posted in the Reputation Section. The subject has to be: “I am very sorry whywefight” while the message should be “ I am very sorry whywefight! Sorry for wasting your time over and over again. I am sorry for my bitch like behavior and acting like an asshole person. I will never ever put my dirty nose in your fresh white clean business. Hippety hoppety! Please take this as an apology from the bottom of my heart. Seriously, Quickseller”
3) I want a kiss, not a quick one like you giving your grandma and not the homo stuff. I want a real smoochie like you mean it. Show some love.  Can be send via pm or added to the thread mentioned in 2)
4) If you don't follow my demands, send me your details so i can file a lawsuit for blackmailing, extortion, and harassment. If you got some balls.



For the future, file a proper butthurt report please so i dont waste my time again.

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September 13, 2016, 05:27:00 AM
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1. You stated another bald faced lie. Show me where I have endorsed any dice site
Edited the OP for clarity.

2. Stop trying to drag others in your drama. You originally opened your large, wriggling can of worms months back all on your own. Deal with it.
You are correct in saying that I do not like Vod, however that does not change anything about what Vod did, nor does it make Vod's actions any less bad.

3. You cite Canada law, I don't live in Canada. You have an issue with Vod, file a lawsuit.
What he is was wrong and immoral, this is regardless of the law. I would say that there is a very good chance that what Vod did is illegal in your jurisdiction as well, but that does not matter.

4. You have shot your last remaining credibility with me.
5. I tried to give you the benefit of a doubt with your past mistakes but this is the last straw.
I sent everyone on the list in the OP a message letting them know about the situation, offered to discuss the situation, and advised what my opinion would be absent any kind of remediation. There are several people who still trust Vod who did not make the list because of either a personal conversation regading the matter or their public statements regarding the matter. You specifically did not respond to my message.

If you are going to have a negative opinion of me because I am calling you out about something you are unwilling to defend publicly or privately, then I would not value your opinion very much.



It is reasonably interpreted that Vod's statement is an veiled threat. Even if this was not the case then Vod's statement is still a very bad thing to say, and I would regard you trusting someone who has no qualms of making these kinds of statements to be untrustworthy and someone I think others should not do business with. Unless and until you can convince me otherwise this will remain my opinion, and I will continue to post such opinion.

Add these guys to the list
You are welcome to make your own list, however those people are outside of the scope of this thread. If you created your own list then I would support you, and condemn those kinds of statements.

He said something offensive, not threatening.
I disagree. I would argue that Vod is making veiled threats.

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September 13, 2016, 05:41:48 AM
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What he is was wrong and immoral, this is regardless of the law.

I disagree.  Are you telling me you control my thoughts and wishes?

Do you really fear for your life or is this just for attention?

Probably best to continue and ignore my questions, because you know you are not going to win this one.


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September 13, 2016, 11:06:22 AM
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Posting a "list" because you don't get your way is beyond childish. Your "list" proves nothing and is only a pathetic attempt at a tantrum because you did not get your way.
Stop putting words in others mouths and trying to twist things to suit your agenda.
Bottom line: Grow up already.

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September 13, 2016, 12:32:29 PM
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Let me add a little more to this thread:
Take a look at quicksellers Trust list for a few minutes. I see many users he has given Positive Trust to and they have (by my settings) a Negative rating for shady dealings and so forth. Some he has left more than one Positive. By QS's own logic, he too is condoning these Negative rated user's actions and all the people that left QS Positive Trust should be "outed" as also "condoning by proxy".

escrow.ms -111: -7 / +17
AccountTrader -1: -1 / +1
Injust -3: -2 / +1
hamza171 -2: -1 / +0
CryptoDigitals -2: -1 / +0
orryde -29: -5 / +3
Bralex -8: -3 / +0
BTCBLOGGER -127: -7 / +1
IronMarvel -8: -4 / +8
master-P -9999: -18 / +31

As you can see, no one but QS can be trusted to form their own Trust lists.  Roll Eyes
There is a word for you, I can't seem to recall it but I believe it begins with the letter "H".

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September 13, 2016, 02:07:24 PM
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For some reason QS keeps deleting this:
Stop posting nonsense here. If you want to explain why I am in the wrong then feel free to post it here. However if any part of your post says something along the lines of "come at me bro" it will be promptly deleted.

Your reaction shows your maturity, or lack thereof.

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@whyweflight - please stop posting in this thread.

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I don't think that most of those users condone violence, I think you have some personal problems with some users (that's all).

btw watching the thread

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I would just like to state for the record that I do not condone violence; QS is lying again.

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September 14, 2016, 02:04:31 AM
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I really wish the guy would kill himself already

This statement is fairly clearly an implied threat, and is most likely illegal in Canada.

While these kinds of implied threats are very clearly very wrong, especially when unprovoked, I believe the community as a whole should very strongly condemn this kind of behavior, especially when then author is not simply frustrated with someone, but rather has acknowledged that he really means it when he makes these kinds of statements.

I was surprised when I read the comment that Vod made as it was indeed unprovoked and rather distasteful. I even went as far as excluding him from my trust network (for personal reasons, I don't intend it to impact Vod).

But honestly, I don't believe you took offense to it -- and just used it as a chip to try get at him. First the quasi-blackmail, and now this thread is clearly too much. You took his bait, hook, line and sinker.

And "I really wish the guy would kill himself already" is not an implied threat, not even close. There is no honest interpretation by someone with a command of English to believe that Vod is implying he will harm you in any shape or form.
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I have previously sent a PM to the below list of people advising them of the situation. This list of people only includes those that I am certain received my PM, and those that have discussed the situation with my in one way or another that leads me to believe they do not condone these kinds of threats have not been included in this list.

The below list of people are those that I believe condone threats of violence. It is my opinion that everyone should avoid doing any kind of business with the below people:

Cyrus - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=78147 (staff member)
dooglus - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3420
QuestionAuthority - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=72795
Amitabh S - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=72118
KWH - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=70535
GIANNAT - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=73619
kcud_dab - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=85550 (staff member)
Gws24 - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=101842
mentalpanda - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=160727
cakir - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=205338
Aggressor66 - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=224500
whywefight - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=289686
micky123 - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=327665
mexxer-2 - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=341982
Steamingoff - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=511296
mr.relax - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=522205

Can you post the pm you sent?

I don't understand how you can conclude someone condones violence because they didn't respond to a message you sent about someone else who said "I think QS should kill himself"

Also, there are plenty of non-violent ways to commit suicide.  Right?

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I love the bold lines. Roll Eyes

Hello,

I am not sure if you have seen this post or not, however it is a deeply disturbing post by Vod.

As of now, you have Vod in your trust list, and as a result, I believe that you should be made aware of the above.

Although the inclusion of someone in your trust list is not a direct endorsement of everything someone says or does, I do believe it is an endorsement of their behavior and business practices.

If you do not condone this kind of behavior, then please remove and/or exclude Vod from your trust list. In order to remove Vod from your trust list you will have to do the following:
Go to Profile --> Trust --> Trust Settings --> Delete Vod from your trust list (or add a '~' in front of Vod's name) --> Update

If you decline to remove Vod from your trust list, then I will make it publicly known that you condone the kind of behavior displayed in the above linked post.

If you wish to discuss this matter, I am available via forum PM. If you wish to keep our communications private, then my PGP key can be found in my profile, and here.

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A hypothetical question. If you tell someone to go fuck themselves - would that be a threat of violence?

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September 15, 2016, 02:19:09 AM
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A hypothetical question. If you tell someone to go fuck themselves - would that be a threat of violence?

Only if there was a chainsaw involved...

Then again, perhaps they are a member (no pun intended - member - get it?) of the BDSM community that get off on violence in their consensual self gratification.

Then again, the question would be are they consenting to be violent towards themselves if they agree to do it in the first place are they a violent person?

Hypothetically speaking of course...

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September 15, 2016, 04:18:50 AM
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The Canadian Law that Quickseller linked to in his first post states:

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anyone who compels or entices a person to commit suicide is subject to criminal penalty regardless of whether the individual carries through with the act.

Wishing that someone would kill themselves is obviously not any kind of threat or violent in any way.  

If I were to address him directly and post something like "Quickseller, go kill yourself", or post instructions how to do it, I would be technically breaking the law.  But it would be simply a technicality, such as going 101 km/h in a 100 zone.  No prosecutor would ever take the case.  Quickseller could not care less about what I post, and could not be compelled to do anything I suggested.  

Quickseller, if you DO respect and care about what I post, let me know so I can be more careful about what I write in the future.  Otherwise, it's status quo.  Thanks!   Smiley

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September 15, 2016, 06:20:10 PM
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Can you post the pm you sent?

I can post the pm I received:

Hello,

I am not sure if you have seen this post or not, however it is a deeply disturbing post by Vod.

As of now, you have Vod in your trust list, and as a result, you are responsible for Vod's inclusion in the Default Trust network, which adds credibility to what he says.

Although the inclusion of someone in your trust list is not a direct endorsement of everything someone says or does, I do believe it is an endorsement of their behavior and business practices.

If you do not condone this kind of behavior, then please remove and/or exclude Vod from your trust list. In order to remove Vod from your trust list you will have to do the following:
Go to Profile --> Trust --> Trust Settings --> Delete Vod from your trust list (or add a '~' in front of Vod's name) --> Update

If you decline to remove Vod from your trust list, then I will make it publicly known that you condone the kind of behavior displayed in the above linked post.

If you wish to discuss this matter, I am available via forum PM. If you wish to keep our communications private, then my PGP key can be found in my profile, and here.

Regards
QS

I don't understand how you can conclude someone condones violence because they didn't respond to a message you sent about someone else who said "I think QS should kill himself"

Also, there are plenty of non-violent ways to commit suicide.  Right?

I guess that depends on the definition of violence. This page claims that self-strangulation is non-violent, but seems to me like it would fall under the definition of "behavior involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something" - it uses physical force, and is intended to kill someone.

Either way, stating an opinion isn't violent since it doesn't involve physical force.

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