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November 04, 2016, 05:59:47 AM
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To be honest, I'm not very familiar with ethereum and its scripting.
Neither am I, that's why I'm eager to hear the developers address what you have to say.

rhaver, you claim cheating is easy. go and cheat, drain the account and show us proof
No, that does not seem the case. Rhaver is concerned that cheating is possible by several entities. When someone has concerns regarding the project, one naturally expects the developers to address these when possible.

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November 04, 2016, 08:32:04 AM
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 Seems perfect project. I put a signature, joined to the twitter campaign. And we'll see ... maybe in the ICO would not hurt to take part. Waiting start crowdsale November 15th.

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November 04, 2016, 08:40:59 AM
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Maybe you could post some references regarding how those services are exactly involved for those looking at this from the outside. I don't see either one of those cheating (maybe oraclize), but claiming *fully decentralized* would be wrong in that case.

To be honest, I'm not very familiar with ethereum and its scripting. I just went through the contracts on etherscan.io and took educated guesses and googled for things. After spending a bit more time, I actually /think/ cloudflare might not be able to cheat, because the results appear to be signed from random.org (but I have trouble finding/checking  the code which verifies the signature, does it even exist?). My reading of the logic is that the TLS signature from cloudflare is checked, not the random.org signature, which if so, would allow cloudflare to cheat. But I very well might be wrong, as I said I'm not that familiar with this sort of thing

I don't really mean to accuse them of anything, they're just some concerns i have by reading their code. It'd be nice if they address the issue instead of side stepping it calling it "fully decentralized" which it obviously isn't. If you use a centralized service (oraclized), to call a centralized service (random.org) through a centralized service (cloudflare) done with a decentralized service (ethereum) it doesn't magically become fully decentralized.


The game works and the code is well tested. You can review it. It's all public.
There is no need to be aggressive and start making wild, unfounded accusations. Let’s keep it civil please!

We have some of the finest developers in Ethereum on our team.
Our coders and game are live, working and can be verified. We are obviously legitimate.

Now, I have no idea why you are posting the same questions, over and over, in EVERY forum.  Huh

Requesting to kindly keep this just one forum.
It's really annoying to have to go and paste the same answer over and over again.

Anyway, these concerns are addressed in our 3rd Party Audit by Peter Vessenes.
You can read that here: https://blog.vdice.io/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/vdice_game_code_audit_october_2016.pdf

For his credentials as an auditor you can google him or go to his security blog: http://vessenes.com

That is on our website. Along with all other documentation.

As an addendum to the audit, in relation to Oraclize and Replay issue (which I am guessing you allude to):

The very reason why the authenticated JSON-RPC APIs of random.org are used, is because of the "requestsLeft" field which is returned by each API call response ( https://api.random.org/json-rpc/1/signing ). This field content is tied to the API credentials specified in the query and is there to indicate how many requests are left in a given day.

If we check all the TLSNotary proofs published on the blockchain (which contain the whole API response!), an independent auditor can verify whether any subsequent number in the "requestsLeft" fields is missing - when that happens, the auditor has a good indicator that something wrong happened (either on the Oraclize side - which sent more requests than expected - or by any external party knowing that specific API key (vDice itself & random.org)). Of course this doesn't say much about the intent in itself (can just be some failure in the HTTP request, which had to be sent again), but in general it provides some level of security against replay attacks.  


Otherwise, perhaps you are suggesting the oracle might have requested random numbers until a matching one >shows up? In which case:

Random.org JSON responses have a consecutive ID, so if we dropped some to advange ourselves in the game, by checking all of the bets and their respective responses it would be evident: at the end of the day, there would be some JSON responses missing, i.e ID 1, 2,3.. 5,6 present but 4 missing.

Further information on TLS notary:

With TLS notary (by the author of it in IRC), the third party has to keep the data to prevent the source from manipulating their data and making it seem as though your captured data is actually not authentic. In other words, a lying "I never said that!" from the webhost people.

It actually is secure because it is like when you browse to a HTTPS secure site, you are able to see provably that they are X company (if you inspect the certificates). TLS Notary is essentially able to record those bytes in such a way that you can play them back later so you can authenticate the bytes again! Very ingenious. (But the math of how it does this in the whitepaper goes above my head. https://tlsnotary.org/TLSNotary.pdf)

the notary server used at the moment is the default tlsnotarygroup1 notary - which is an "AWS oracle", as described here. So there is nobody having access to the secret, as you can easily verify indipendently by following these instructions and giving a look at the actual code for the pagesigner-oracles.

There are some great videos explaining this further. Here is one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4ukd4I8S9A

I could go on forever about this. But, as I said before, it is an issue of centralization v decentralization.

vDice is fully decentralized in that there is no server architecture. There are 3rd party providers that do run some server architecture. But they are not part of vDice directly. They just give it what it needs. So, vDice is still serverless.
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November 04, 2016, 10:46:33 AM
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rhaver, you claim cheating is easy. go and cheat, drain the account and show us proof
No, that does not seem the case. Rhaver is concerned that cheating is possible by several entities. When someone has concerns regarding the project, one naturally expects the developers to address these when possible.
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November 04, 2016, 12:52:15 PM
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Hello vDice are we also planning to put faucet in the site?

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Watched with interest the rapid development of the project, enjoy the game as the theme always attracts a lot of money.

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November 04, 2016, 01:42:16 PM
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rhaver, you claim cheating is easy. go and cheat, drain the account and show us proof
No, that does not seem the case. Rhaver is concerned that cheating is possible by several entities. When someone has concerns regarding the project, one naturally expects the developers to address these when possible.

good point. i stand to be corrected
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November 04, 2016, 06:39:31 PM
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Hello vDice are we also planning to put faucet in the site?
Faucet in a dice site is almost a mandatory thing. I think Devs must consider adding a faucet.
I believe, the faucet will be implemented and it will be in Ethereum or maybe in vDice token also if possible. Lets wait for Devs confirming any progress on this.

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November 04, 2016, 07:09:46 PM
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Lol. Gyus have maked have already does this dice platform. And they making ICO. For what?
This is my question.
Oh f*ck. I foresee that in near future every bullsh*t startup will make ICO.


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Right now all I see is a site that has under 7k total bets (for example, MoneyPot does 50-100 bets a second on average), and hasn't had a single bet placed in several hours. They do not have a customer base. Yet they are trying to raise an absurd amount of money. It's a complete money grab. Maybe they turn out to not be a scam, maybe not. This is just like LIR though, where either way you lose. You either buy in at valuation thats so high you have no floor and very short ceiling, or they run with your cash.

60MM tokens = 600k ETH valuation = nearly 9500 BTC (or $6.5MM). Obscene. Even more obscene is your "breakdown" of what funds are for. How does legal compliance take up 23% of 9500 BTC? That is beyond ridiculous and it sounds like you are putting down random numbers. And why is so much allocated for salaries? If you have developers on your team (which you should have) you should not need a whopping ~3700 BTC allotted for development on top of salaries.

I love that you also reference the sale of SatoshiDice, which is possibly the worst crypto deal ever seen (Hint: The people that purchased the site will never get close to their money back), and was made back in the heyday of Bitcoin. You are also using today's prices instead of the Bitcoin price back then (which would cut the valuation down significantly).

To top it off, your graphics on the forum post and on your crowdraise page actually look a lot like LIR. Funny world.


Note: This was reposted from https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1669908.msg16776999#msg16776999
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November 04, 2016, 07:17:20 PM
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Also stop advertising you have handled a meager 10k bets. You have not. Your own site counter has it at 6708.
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November 04, 2016, 10:57:46 PM
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They are also buying reddit up votes to make it look like they have more community backing than they really do:

See:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1668439.msg16751764#msg16751764
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdk8I_C6iu8kk8DMZfIp6N0QLhbg3yb-tFPdfkZvkuVyoMuCw/viewform?c=0&w=1



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November 05, 2016, 07:23:29 AM
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It looks like TechInAsia has picked up on the hacked piece.

Interest is growing in Asia for the decentralization of gambling.

https://www.techinasia.com/talk/blockchain-decentralizing-gambling



QUOTE FROM ARTICLE:

"How blockchain is decentralizing gambling:

Now there is a host of exciting new startups reimagining the gambling industry. They are decentralizing the entire structure and are building something truly new.

VDice is one example of such a startup. It is billed as the world’s first fully decentralized gambling platform. It went live this June and is already wildly popular amongst blockchain geeks. Using the Ethereum blockchain, they have leveraged Smart Contract technology and have created game codes that exist without a server. These games live on the Ethereum P2P network."


This was inspired from a piece in hacked.com it seems:

https://hacked.com/vdice-io-the-worlds-first-full-decentralized-gambling-platform-ethereum-or-blockchain-tech/
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November 05, 2016, 12:37:40 PM
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It looks like TechInAsia has picked up on the hacked piece.

Interest is growing in Asia for the decentralization of gambling.

https://www.techinasia.com/talk/blockchain-decentralizing-gambling



QUOTE FROM ARTICLE:

"How blockchain is decentralizing gambling:

Now there is a host of exciting new startups reimagining the gambling industry. They are decentralizing the entire structure and are building something truly new.

VDice is one example of such a startup. It is billed as the world’s first fully decentralized gambling platform. It went live this June and is already wildly popular amongst blockchain geeks. Using the Ethereum blockchain, they have leveraged Smart Contract technology and have created game codes that exist without a server. These games live on the Ethereum P2P network."


This was inspired from a piece in hacked.com it seems:

https://hacked.com/vdice-io-the-worlds-first-full-decentralized-gambling-platform-ethereum-or-blockchain-tech/

Excellent article. Don't pay attention to a negative
always there will be those who is dissatisfied. Just continue good work, I believe in success!

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November 05, 2016, 02:33:31 PM
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It looks like TechInAsia has picked up on the hacked piece.

Interest is growing in Asia for the decentralization of gambling.

https://www.techinasia.com/talk/blockchain-decentralizing-gambling



QUOTE FROM ARTICLE:

"How blockchain is decentralizing gambling:

Now there is a host of exciting new startups reimagining the gambling industry. They are decentralizing the entire structure and are building something truly new.

VDice is one example of such a startup. It is billed as the world’s first fully decentralized gambling platform. It went live this June and is already wildly popular amongst blockchain geeks. Using the Ethereum blockchain, they have leveraged Smart Contract technology and have created game codes that exist without a server. These games live on the Ethereum P2P network."


This was inspired from a piece in hacked.com it seems:

https://hacked.com/vdice-io-the-worlds-first-full-decentralized-gambling-platform-ethereum-or-blockchain-tech/

Excellent article. Don't pay attention to a negative
always there will be those who is dissatisfied. Just continue good work, I believe in success!

I think they are not dissatisfied may just want to make sure Vdice concept really works
so far I only watch this discussion because I did not have much knowledge about it
following the discussion I would understand how it works and it is good for potential investors



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November 05, 2016, 08:48:02 PM
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Portuguese translation at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1671857

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November 06, 2016, 10:18:46 AM
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PR is Silicon Valley Financial Press:-

http://markets.financialcontent.com/siliconvalley/news/read/33196676

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November 06, 2016, 06:00:42 PM
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More sponsored news stories / press releases. Yawn.
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November 07, 2016, 08:24:56 AM
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Jason Colby was on the Original Ethereum Team.

Now with vDice, he talks in detail about the project with the-blockchain.com

http://www.the-blockchain.com/2016/10/23/interview-with-blockchain-gambling-startup-vdice-founder-jason-colby/

"Where others talk of lanuching a Dapp, our team has already done that".

https://blog.vdice.io/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/team_ethereum.jpg

https://blog.vdice.io/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/jc_interview.jpg
That's quite an awesome news !
I am already planning to invest in the ICO and then hope for the bright future, anyone who is reading me, I personally suggest you to invest at least something in this awesome ICO.

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November 07, 2016, 04:50:27 PM
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Someone asked on facebook how much money is needed for this ICO of course we're talking a minimum
maybe you forgot to add it, or maybe I do not see it carefully



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