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June 24, 2011, 07:57:07 AM
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I guess that is what makes us different. Justice Dragons will always exist as long as there are communities.

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June 24, 2011, 07:57:32 AM
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Yea basically. You should teach your kids Tongue . Tell them to watch the police, watch the army, watch the government. THEY MUST WATCH Smiley Remember dragons breath fire.

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I'm watching the police, army, and government.  Nothing much effect, though. Embarrassed  How about instead of watching these nasty dragons, we simply terminate them?

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June 24, 2011, 07:59:54 AM
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Like I said I believe Justice Dragons will always exist as long as there are human communities. They are a result of human interaction.

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June 24, 2011, 08:04:26 AM
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Like I said I believe Justice Dragons will always exist as long as there are human communities. They are a result of human interaction.

You may be right, but I hope not. I want to believe that humans can do better than having a lurking beast always waiting to destroy and dominate them.  Sad

Anyway, we've reached the point of basic premises and disagree, but thanks for the discussion. Cheers.
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June 24, 2011, 08:05:38 AM
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June 24, 2011, 08:05:42 AM
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I became aware that things were not as they seemed as one goes bankrupt - Very slowly at first, and then all at once.   I've now gone from voting for Barack Obama (but only because McCain sold out past-me thought) to watching lectures on anarcho-capitalist societal models for fun.

I've got my popcorn and fedora, excited we get to watch the world change over the next few years.

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June 24, 2011, 08:06:59 AM
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Like I said I believe Justice Dragons will always exist as long as there are human communities. They are a result of human interaction.

Makes more sense to just strike the root.  http://strike-the-root.com/

How about hiring some private competing Justice Dragons to protect us from neighboring Justice Dragons?

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June 24, 2011, 08:08:04 AM
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I became aware that things were not as they seemed as one goes bankrupt - Very slowly at first, and then all at once.   I've now gone from voting for Barack Obama (but only because McCain sold out past-me thought) to watching lectures on anarcho-capitalist societal models for fun.

I've got my popcorn and fedora, excited we get to watch the world change over the next few years.

Welcome to the journey, my friend.  Many of us have gone through the same path as you.

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June 24, 2011, 08:13:09 AM
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+1 to both of emergent's last posts Cheesy

edit: Wait, that would be +2 then, right? Math....  Tongue

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June 24, 2011, 03:54:07 PM
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Once upon a time I was a social democrat.  I believed in making programs to help the less fortunate because I believed the "system" in place inherently kept them down.  This system was a collection of private corporations and greedy individuals who did not care for those below them.  I believed that drugs were a harmful evil inflicted on society and should be stopped.  I believe a whole lot of things in which I believed there was moral backing for them, but these beliefs were founded entirely on emotional response and I had no real educational backing behind them but I fundamentally felt that it was the duty of the strong to protect the weak and the duty of the wealthy to protect the poor.

I began to get into debates with a friend of mine on facebook who is quite forcefully Anarchist-Capitalist and at the same time Ron Paul began to get a bit of press during the 2008 republican primaries.  I read a book called Economics in One lesson.  From then I began to see that the government caused more problems than it solved and while I still believe it is the duty of the strong to protect the weak the question is now should they be FORCED to do it against their will?

I now answer emphatically NO.

I now self-identify as a libertarian.  I believe a free market in all goods is the best way to ensure prosperity because of my academic study on the matter, not because of some emotional reaction.  I read works by Friedman, Von Mises, Hazlitt, Hayek and Ron Paul.  I even read the arguments by Keyenes and his ilk and found I disagreed with it.  And that leads me where I am today, a lone libertarian in California, where most people only think there are two schools of political thought:  Democrat and Republican.
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June 24, 2011, 04:07:15 PM
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I've evolved to agree with Ayn Rand:
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I object to the idea that people have the right to vote on everything. The traditional American system was a system based on the idea that majority will prevail only in public or political affairs; and that it was limited by inalienable individual rights. Therefore I do not believe that a majority can vote a man's life or property or freedom away from him. Therefore I do not believe that if a majority votes on any issue that this makes the issue right. It doesn't.

To those who are concerned with American GOP's obscurantism, she also spoke of this back in 1961: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTf6NK0wsiA
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June 24, 2011, 06:26:09 PM
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Once upon a time I was a social democrat.  I believed in making programs to help the less fortunate because I believed the "system" in place inherently kept them down.  This system was a collection of private corporations and greedy individuals who did not care for those below them.  I believed that drugs were a harmful evil inflicted on society and should be stopped.  I believe a whole lot of things in which I believed there was moral backing for them, but these beliefs were founded entirely on emotional response and I had no real educational backing behind them but I fundamentally felt that it was the duty of the strong to protect the weak and the duty of the wealthy to protect the poor.

I began to get into debates with a friend of mine on facebook who is quite forcefully Anarchist-Capitalist and at the same time Ron Paul began to get a bit of press during the 2008 republican primaries.  I read a book called Economics in One lesson.  From then I began to see that the government caused more problems than it solved and while I still believe it is the duty of the strong to protect the weak the question is now should they be FORCED to do it against their will?

I now answer emphatically NO.

I now self-identify as a libertarian.  I believe a free market in all goods is the best way to ensure prosperity because of my academic study on the matter, not because of some emotional reaction.  I read works by Friedman, Von Mises, Hazlitt, Hayek and Ron Paul.  I even read the arguments by Keyenes and his ilk and found I disagreed with it.  And that leads me where I am today, a lone libertarian in California, where most people only think there are two schools of political thought:  Democrat and Republican.

People like you are my heroes.  Stay strong, my friend.
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June 24, 2011, 07:18:41 PM
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Once upon a time I was a social democrat.  I believed in making programs to help the less fortunate because I believed the "system" in place inherently kept them down.  This system was a collection of private corporations and greedy individuals who did not care for those below them.

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I began to get into debates with a friend of mine on facebook who is quite forcefully Anarchist-Capitalist and at the same time Ron Paul began to get a bit of press during the 2008 republican primaries.  I read a book called Economics in One lesson.  From then I began to see that the government caused more problems than it solved and while I still believe it is the duty of the strong to protect the weak the question is now should they be FORCED to do it against their will?

I now answer emphatically NO.

I now self-identify as a libertarian...

Congratulations.  I once had self-identified as a "social democrat" as well.  Every time I discover a new convert to "libertarianism" such as yourself, I feel hope for the future of humanity.

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June 24, 2011, 07:32:27 PM
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I now self-identify as a libertarian.  I believe a free market in all goods is the best way to ensure prosperity because of my academic study on the matter, not because of some emotional reaction.  I read works by Friedman, Von Mises, Hazlitt, Hayek and Ron Paul.  I even read the arguments by
Keyenes and his ilk and found I disagreed with it.  And that leads me where I am today, a lone libertarian in California, where most people only think there are two schools of political thought:  Democrat and Republican.

Keep fighting the good fight. When it gets to be too much, there's always New Hampshire.

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June 24, 2011, 07:36:25 PM
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Once upon a time I was a social democrat.  I believed in making programs to help the less fortunate because I believed the "system" in place inherently kept them down.  This system was a collection of private corporations and greedy individuals who did not care for those below them.  I believed that drugs were a harmful evil inflicted on society and should be stopped.  I believe a whole lot of things in which I believed there was moral backing for them, but these beliefs were founded entirely on emotional response and I had no real educational backing behind them but I fundamentally felt that it was the duty of the strong to protect the weak and the duty of the wealthy to protect the poor.

I began to get into debates with a friend of mine on facebook who is quite forcefully Anarchist-Capitalist and at the same time Ron Paul began to get a bit of press during the 2008 republican primaries.  I read a book called Economics in One lesson.  From then I began to see that the government caused more problems than it solved and while I still believe it is the duty of the strong to protect the weak the question is now should they be FORCED to do it against their will?

I now answer emphatically NO.

I now self-identify as a libertarian.  I believe a free market in all goods is the best way to ensure prosperity because of my academic study on the matter, not because of some emotional reaction.  I read works by Friedman, Von Mises, Hazlitt, Hayek and Ron Paul.  I even read the arguments by Keyenes and his ilk and found I disagreed with it.  And that leads me where I am today, a lone libertarian in California, where most people only think there are two schools of political thought:  Democrat and Republican.

People like you are my heroes.  Stay strong, my friend.

Maybe you could kick a few bitcoins my way for being so heroic!  I'll put my wallet in my sig when I get home LOL
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June 25, 2011, 12:01:43 AM
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My parents were hard core liberal progressives.  I turned to libertarian capitalism as a teenager, due to reading a lot of science fiction.  After growing up and actually interacting with the real world this has evolved into libertarian socialism  (also known as Anarcho-Syndicalism)
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June 25, 2011, 12:14:21 AM
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My parents were hard core liberal progressives.  I turned to libertarian capitalism as a teenager, due to reading a lot of science fiction.  After growing up and actually interacting with the real world this has evolved into libertarian socialism  (also known as Anarcho-Syndicalism)

I would be interested in hearing about your transition from AnCap to AnSyn. It's certain to be enlightening.

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June 25, 2011, 12:18:12 AM
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My parents were hard core liberal progressives.  I turned to libertarian capitalism as a teenager, due to reading a lot of science fiction.  After growing up and actually interacting with the real world this has evolved into libertarian socialism  (also known as Anarcho-Syndicalism)

I would be interested in hearing about your transition from AnCap to AnSyn. It's certain to be enlightening.

Actually I used to identify as an Anarcho-Capitalist.  But since about 2 years, I have dropped that label.  Now I consider myself a "Pragmatic Agorist/Voluntaryist", since I no longer see capitalistic businesses or social arrangements as necessarily always the best.  I'm perfectly happy with many forms of Voluntary Communism or Syndicalism, provided there is no coercion and all relevant parties consent.

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June 25, 2011, 12:22:24 AM
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Sorry, but I'm not naive enough to think there's any universal system of government or human interaction which will achieve any optimization of overall human morale or happiness. If you start thinking as a fundamentalist you're blinding yourself to reality.

Humans are inclined towards freedom and security. How they choose to implement those elements in government or society changes; I think it's particularly foolish to assert with much conviction that you believe you know the best civil system.

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June 25, 2011, 12:30:30 AM
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Sorry, but I'm not naive enough to think there's any universal system of government or human interaction which will achieve any optimization of overall human morale or happiness. If you start thinking as a fundamentalist you're blinding yourself to reality.

Humans are inclined towards freedom and security. How they choose to implement those elements in government or society changes; I think it's particularly foolish to assert with much conviction that you believe you know the best civil system.

+1.  Yeah, that is one of the main reasons I became an anarchist.  Too many aspiring politicians out there who think they can implement the perfect system.

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Governments are good at cutting off the heads of a centrally controlled networks, but pure P2P networks are holding their own."
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