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June 13, 2011, 07:53:16 PM
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Screw ebay

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June 13, 2011, 08:46:14 PM
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i guess the guys who were up there selling @ $50 Per btc made their money while they could.
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June 13, 2011, 08:55:25 PM
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Honestly I don't think this is a "serious attack on bitcoin" by eBay.

It makes a lot of sense not to sell/distribute digital goods because the copyright is much harder to control.  A listing that reads "Selling copies of Justin Beiber 'baby baby baby'!!" would be fine if they are original CDs, but when it's digital goods, then the merchant can become a supplier/distributor and sell unlimited copies.  I'm sure you can see the problem there.

eBay is simply preventing this, and digital currency fits under a broad category such as this.  They are simply protecting their brand and don't want to be a free-for-all marketplace.
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June 13, 2011, 09:04:44 PM
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Some of the listings deserve to be removed, like one that was selling 0.01 btc for $6

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June 13, 2011, 09:33:46 PM
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It is my hope that in the coming months to year we will reach a point where we don't need ebay.

There are plenty of bidding sites where people can post their merchandise for bitcoins. And my BTC Economy plugin will find these posts and promote the merchandise across multiple sources to help drive-up sales.


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June 13, 2011, 09:40:42 PM
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Honestly I don't think this is a "serious attack on bitcoin" by eBay.

It makes a lot of sense not to sell/distribute digital goods because the copyright is much harder to control.  A listing that reads "Selling copies of Justin Beiber 'baby baby baby'!!" would be fine if they are original CDs, but when it's digital goods, then the merchant can become a supplier/distributor and sell unlimited copies.  I'm sure you can see the problem there.

eBay is simply preventing this, and digital currency fits under a broad category such as this.  They are simply protecting their brand and don't want to be a free-for-all marketplace.

The thing is, they're claiming it violates the rules due to copyright on game characters - that makes no sense at all. Most likely they're applying the same rules as they would for WoW gold and there's a very slim chance someone could get ebay to change their mind.
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June 13, 2011, 10:13:33 PM
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Honestly I don't think this is a "serious attack on bitcoin" by eBay.

It makes a lot of sense not to sell/distribute digital goods because the copyright is much harder to control.  A listing that reads "Selling copies of Justin Beiber 'baby baby baby'!!" would be fine if they are original CDs, but when it's digital goods, then the merchant can become a supplier/distributor and sell unlimited copies.  I'm sure you can see the problem there.

eBay is simply preventing this, and digital currency fits under a broad category such as this.  They are simply protecting their brand and don't want to be a free-for-all marketplace.

The thing is, they're claiming it violates the rules due to copyright on game characters - that makes no sense at all. Most likely they're applying the same rules as they would for WoW gold and there's a very slim chance someone could get ebay to change their mind.

That's just one of the examples they give for digital goods, it's not a specific citation of what was wrong with the listing.  The reason they list game characters is because they are also a digital commodity, think "omg i just built up my lvl 65 mage, selling for $300!!1".  Again, they just don't want to be a marketplace for those types of products.  There are new (legally new and yet uncertain) liabilities that come with those types of products.  Physical products have UPS tracking codes, and other securities like that.

They want to be useful/known for selling things like your mother's unused sewing machine, not neckbeard's level 65 mage.
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June 13, 2011, 11:45:28 PM
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Ebay can very easily verify transfer through a message trail and the public block chain.  There are no extra liabilities involved.  Certainly no copyright issues.

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June 13, 2011, 11:48:08 PM
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The real issue is that they claim it's a copyright issue when BTC is open source.  So they're flagging the listings under false pretenses and therefore their removal's are invalid.
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June 14, 2011, 12:10:03 AM
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"violates intellectual property and copyright."

What a bunch of pompous idiots.



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June 14, 2011, 12:30:14 AM
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Ebay can very easily verify transfer through a message trail and the public block chain.  There are no extra liabilities involved.  Certainly no copyright issues.

This. Also the false pretenses. I'm going to call them and see what's really up, maybe squeeze some BS rhetoric out of them.

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June 14, 2011, 12:33:28 AM
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The real issue is that they claim it's a copyright issue when BTC is open source.  So they're flagging the listings under false pretenses and therefore their removal's are invalid.

your private key isn't open source Smiley

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June 14, 2011, 12:57:15 AM
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The real issue is that they claim it's a copyright issue when BTC is open source.  So they're flagging the listings under false pretenses and therefore their removal's are invalid.

The coins themselves aren't "open source" as such, but legally ebay can refuse whatever trade they want even if it makes no sense.
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June 14, 2011, 11:35:58 AM
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Not exactly surprising, except the mandatory indoctrination course you have to follow if you want to sell again, which is simply staggering. The 'tutorial' euphemism is a nice touch too.
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June 14, 2011, 01:38:06 PM
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Selling virtual goods are agains the ToS.


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June 14, 2011, 02:16:23 PM
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Selling virtual goods are agains the ToS.


Common, be smart, sell bitbills.
Can I sell 1 paperclip with each bitcoin?
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June 19, 2011, 04:59:52 AM
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What if the value of bitcoins drops below the value of paperclips?

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June 19, 2011, 05:08:56 AM
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I have been done with ebay ever since they told me that their feedback system is not meant to determine how credible a transaction is...I had over 600 positive with no negative...this guy had a 3 and they sided with him without talking to me...pulled the money at the first sign of a complaint so I had no recourse except to repay the money to rectify my paypal/ebay account without facing credit hits.

Another thing I find funny...they will tell you that they are "2 separate companies" and that "comparing them is like comparing apples and oranges", to which I responded "No...its like comparing apples and macs...don't feed me your bullshit"...between that and them telling me "they would have refunded my seller fees had I refunded the buyers money at the first complaint"...basically, I should not have argued...ended my ebay store that day and never looked back.

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June 19, 2011, 05:16:37 AM
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Dealing with ebay and paypal is a necessary evil to being a seller online.  I've had probably $1,000 scammed from me in various chargebacks over the years, both paypal and ebay case resolution always sides with the buyer.  Paypal also is holding $6,000 of my money hostage indefinitely as a retainer presumably until I completely close my account.  Oh, and I also pay them about $6k a month in fees.  It sucks, but it won't stop me from using them until something better comes along.

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June 19, 2011, 05:17:54 AM
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has anyone talked to the person owning the intellectual propert right to bitcoins about this?  Lol
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