[ANN] Firo (FIRO) - Implementing ZKP privacy without trusted setup

[CryptoRambler]

<<The other wallets in the Founder's Reward are more or less intact and that can be verified on your own>>

None of this can truly be verified, it either matches what you say is Roger Vers account or it doesn't. This is blind faith. Beyond that, seeing if all the accounts are drained yet, there is nothing in place to prevent them from being drained - only reporting when they get dumped. That is aggressively anti-investor and is a security problem.

<<we believe our trusted setup is unlikely to have been compromised>> again, nothing is setup to preventing coins from being minted at this point, if one of the founders does have a copy of this key in their possession. You can detect them being minted, but you can't stop them from being minted. Security problem? Lol

Poramin went MIA on Vertcoin Ether EVM due 6 most ago.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=895020.2620

Roger Ver is an investor in ZCoin, after zerovert, moneta, vertcoin, etc... Why would he be? Doesn't make any sense

<< If it has deducted an amount, they have either been transferred out or minted Zerocoins. Once they have minted Zerocoins, they could be still kept by them or they could have spent it elsewhere but you can not tell which. This is where the anonymity comes in but I suspect if they do this, more FUD will come about.>>

Again there is nothing to prevent the accounts from being drained, and this is a special back door that can be used by the founders at any time. It is right to be worried here

<<This lead to many good people who wanted to work or contribute help to the coin to lose interest when they were not remunerated fairly for their efforts.>>

Why did that happen? Where was wonderful quick responding Poramin to pay these people? They should have all been paid, albeit late

<<This is not possible with Zcash as transaction amounts are obscured making it impossible to determine so if a flaw is found, this is a much bigger risk. This is the trade off for their added anonymity and we feel it's a risky one although they have attempted to mitigate this by multiple costly security audits.>>

Well at least you acknowledge that ZCoin is less secure and that ZCoin has not had any costly security audits. Are we still sure Roger Ver approves of this? Lol

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[valley365]

The breakup of the dev team is a sad thing to the community. I like this coin and think it will have great potential. Now that it seems that the dev team is stablized, hope they will resume the development course and put more great features into the coin.

[drays]

Can Founders secretly mint Zerocoins?

No, they (and not including the dev) do not have access to the initial parameters and are subject to the same rules as everyone else.

Did you mean "not excluding the dev"?.. 

How do we detect a breach in Zcoin's initial parameters or a vulnerability?

In the event of Zcoin's initial parameters being compromised or some other vulnerability is discovered, Zerocoins can be minted. However this is easily detected as total supply is still auditable.
Total supply of coins that should exist = (block number x block reward)
OP_ZEROCOINMINT function shows all mints + 0.1 mint fee
OP_ZEROCOINSPEND shows all spends of Zerocoin
So you know exactly how many Zerocoins have entered the Zerocoin pool and how many Zerocoins have exited the Zerocoin pool.
total supply >= all circular money - (#zerocoin_mint_tx + 0.1 for each tx) + #zerocoin_spend_tx

Remember an example of a bug that can cause things going haywire has been observed in Bitcoin (https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Value_overflow_incident) but it was detected and fixed because the total supply was auditable.

This is not possible with Zcash as transaction amounts are obscured making it impossible to determine so if a flaw is found, this is a much bigger risk. This is the trade off for their added anonymity and we feel it's a risky one although they have attempted to mitigate this by multiple costly security audits.

I have a question here:
ok, lets assume we have detected that something is arong with total supply, so someone is minting "counterfeith" zerocoins... So what next? What can be done to save the coin in such case? Can anything be done, or as soon as it happens, the coin is doomed together with the investment people have made into it?

[xiaolin1579]

Just setup a ZCoin mining pool. If there are problems, let me know.
https://gflare.io/coin/zcoin

pool you use Who version of the wallet , Poramin or Gary?

[Amoson]

I want to know when the MTP is available ? it's so long to finish this algo.
The zcoin wallet is synchronizing too slow eventhough it sometimes stops synchronizing.
may I tranfer my xzc coins from bittrex exchange to my private wallet ?
my wallet is running on the link https://github.com/zcoinofficial/zcoin/releases

[lukax8]

I want to know when the MTP is available ? it's so long to finish this algo.
The zcoin wallet is synchronizing too slow eventhough it sometimes stops synchronizing.
may I tranfer my xzc coins from bittrex exchange to my private wallet ?
my wallet is running on the link https://github.com/zcoinofficial/zcoin/releases

You can withdraw XZC from Bittrex to your wallet with 0.02 XZC fee

[tomsmith26]

I wonder which zcoin is depending on Poramin's , Dev? and bittrex version is using poramin's version?
Please let me know to download xzc wallet. thanks

Use this version. https://github.com/zcoinofficial/zcoin/releases

Bittrex version we will see once they have made a decision but we are positive.

I'll be updating https://xzc.suprnova.cc to that version as well as the poll is clearly for one direction:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1728414.0

Please check your site https://xzc.suprnova.cc. it was not connected for 20 hours ago.
I coud not see my miner status and balance, guy. is your site on maintenance?

[drays]

I wonder which zcoin is depending on Poramin's , Dev? and bittrex version is using poramin's version?
Please let me know to download xzc wallet. thanks

Use this version. https://github.com/zcoinofficial/zcoin/releases

Bittrex version we will see once they have made a decision but we are positive.

I'll be updating https://xzc.suprnova.cc to that version as well as the poll is clearly for one direction:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1728414.0

Please check your site https://xzc.suprnova.cc. it was not connected for 20 hours ago.
I coud not see my miner status and balance, guy. is your site on maintenance?

It works well for me. Connects, allows to login and shows everything.

[TheFryer]

I have recently got into this coin, the wallet takes 5.25 hrs to load, that's after three days to sync.  then i go to mine with it and get run time error's and the wallet crash's. is there any way to make it load faster and actually solo mine? or is there at least a windows miner that i can use for AMD cpu or gpu? i have no clue how to compile and ubuntu will not dual boot with my computer so i am stuck on win 7 x64. I do not get why i have issues with this coin. i have a x6 cpu 8gb ram and rx 480 with a 850w psu. i love mining and i am willing to learn more if i can find the help.

[ocminer]

I wonder which zcoin is depending on Poramin's , Dev? and bittrex version is using poramin's version?
Please let me know to download xzc wallet. thanks

Use this version. https://github.com/zcoinofficial/zcoin/releases

Bittrex version we will see once they have made a decision but we are positive.

I'll be updating https://xzc.suprnova.cc to that version as well as the poll is clearly for one direction:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1728414.0

Please check your site https://xzc.suprnova.cc. it was not connected for 20 hours ago.
I coud not see my miner status and balance, guy. is your site on maintenance?

No problems from my side currently

[lukax8]

can this new algo be mined effectively with gpu or it's like the old one that only cpu work and it is not worth to use gpu? i hope the dev understand that runnign a bot fest coin will never do anything good to the project, mining is very centralized now in this coin

It works better with certain cpu configurations with quad channel memory or dual channel memory. From what I have seen so far the top miners are using Amazon spot instances to get the cheapest cpu prices when the prices are most profitable.

I have tested with multiple cpus and the best configurations seem to be those with dual or quad memory setups

Amazon might be the best way to harvest the most coins, but for the average user a dual core pentium skylake cpu with dual channel memory will give you the most bang for the buck.

I have yet to get my hands on some higher end quad channel memory supported xeons. I have a feeling quad channel xeon setups will perform much better than dual channel setups but would be very cost prohibitive.


Socket 1150 xeons perform about the same as similar clocked pentiums in dual channel configurations.

Might be good to put together a list of cpu speeds and configs if anyone is interested

I have got a i5 5200u processor on my notebook with ubuntu 16.10
cpuminer with option -t 1

Code:

[2017-01-02 17:26:20] CPU #0: 2.85 H/s
[2017-01-02 17:26:36] accepted: 1/1 (100.00%), 2.85 H/s yes!
[2017-01-02 17:26:59] CPU #0: 3.07 H/s
[2017-01-02 17:27:59] CPU #0: 3.04 H/s
[2017-01-02 17:28:59] CPU #0: 3.00 H/s
[2017-01-02 17:29:39] CPU #0: 3.06 H/s
[2017-01-02 17:29:39] xzc.suprnova.cc:5596 lyra2rev2 block 14537
[2017-01-02 17:29:39] CPU #0: 5.94 H/s
[2017-01-02 17:31:20] CPU #0: 2.99 H/s
[2017-01-02 17:31:59] CPU #0: 3.09 H/s
[2017-01-02 17:32:23] CPU #0: 2.92 H/s
[2017-01-02 17:32:30] accepted: 2/2 (100.00%), 2.92 H/s yes!
[2017-01-02 17:32:33] CPU #0: 2.97 H/s
[2017-01-02 17:32:36] accepted: 3/3 (100.00%), 2.97 H/s yes!
[2017-01-02 17:33:12] CPU #0: 3.12 H/s
[2017-01-02 17:34:10] CPU #0: 3.12 H/s
[2017-01-02 17:34:26] CPU #0: 3.02 H/s
[2017-01-02 17:34:53] accepted: 4/4 (100.00%), 3.02 H/s yes!
[2017-01-02 17:35:23] CPU #0: 3.18 H/s
[2017-01-02 17:36:12] CPU #0: 3.13 H/s
[2017-01-02 17:37:08] CPU #0: 3.22 H/s
[2017-01-02 17:37:12] accepted: 5/5 (100.00%), 3.22 H/s yes!
[2017-01-02 17:38:03] CPU #0: 3.29 H/s
[2017-01-02 17:39:00] CPU #0: 3.18 H/s
[2017-01-02 17:39:56] CPU #0: 3.20 H/s
[2017-01-02 17:40:23] xzc.suprnova.cc:5596 lyra2rev2 block 14539
[2017-01-02 17:41:14] CPU #0: 3.11 H/s
[2017-01-02 17:41:20] accepted: 6/6 (100.00%), 3.11 H/s yes!
[2017-01-02 17:42:08] CPU #0: 3.34 H/s
[2017-01-02 17:43:04] CPU #0: 3.22 H/s
[2017-01-02 17:44:00] CPU #0: 3.25 H/s
[2017-01-02 17:44:13] CPU #0: 3.33 H/s
[2017-01-02 17:44:44] accepted: 7/7 (100.00%), 3.33 H/s yes!
[2017-01-02 17:45:11] CPU #0: 3.15 H/s
[2017-01-02 17:46:08] CPU #0: 3.17 H/s
[2017-01-02 17:47:02] CPU #0: 3.36 H/s
[2017-01-02 17:48:57] CPU #0: 3.11 H/s
[2017-01-02 17:49:56] CPU #0: 3.05 H/s

cpuminer without option -t

Code:

[2016-12-31 08:51:49] CPU #1: 0.66 H/s
[2016-12-31 08:51:49] accepted: 1/1 (100.00%), 0.66 H/s yes!
[2016-12-31 08:54:05] CPU #2: 0.77 H/s
[2016-12-31 08:54:06] accepted: 2/2 (100.00%), 1.43 H/s yes!
[2016-12-31 08:54:42] CPU #2: 0.76 H/s
[2016-12-31 08:54:42] accepted: 3/3 (100.00%), 1.42 H/s yes!
[2016-12-31 08:56:44] xzc.suprnova.cc:5596 lyra2rev2 block 14138
[2016-12-31 08:56:45] CPU #1: 0.78 H/s
[2016-12-31 08:56:45] CPU #3: 0.82 H/s
[2016-12-31 08:56:45] CPU #2: 0.82 H/s
[2016-12-31 08:56:45] CPU #0: 0.78 H/s
[2016-12-31 08:57:12] xzc.suprnova.cc:5596 lyra2rev2 block 14139
[2016-12-31 08:57:13] CPU #2: 0.84 H/s
[2016-12-31 08:57:13] CPU #3: 0.87 H/s
[2016-12-31 08:57:13] CPU #0: 0.84 H/s
[2016-12-31 08:57:13] CPU #1: 0.83 H/s
[2016-12-31 08:57:19] CPU #2: 0.67 H/s
[2016-12-31 08:57:19] accepted: 4/4 (100.00%), 3.20 H/s yes!
[2016-12-31 08:58:02] xzc.suprnova.cc:5596 lyra2rev2 block 14140
[2016-12-31 08:58:03] CPU #3: 0.84 H/s
[2016-12-31 08:58:03] CPU #2: 0.84 H/s
[2016-12-31 08:58:03] CPU #0: 0.80 H/s
[2016-12-31 08:58:03] CPU #1: 0.82 H/s
[2016-12-31 08:59:43] CPU #1: 0.79 H/s
[2016-12-31 08:59:43] accepted: 5/5 (100.00%), 3.27 H/s yes!
[2016-12-31 09:00:19] CPU #3: 0.82 H/s
[2016-12-31 09:00:19] accepted: 6/6 (100.00%), 3.25 H/s yes!
[2016-12-31 09:04:03] CPU #3: 0.77 H/s
[2016-12-31 09:04:03] accepted: 7/7 (100.00%), 3.20 H/s yes!
[2016-12-31 09:05:12] CPU #2: 0.80 H/s
[2016-12-31 09:05:13] accepted: 8/8 (100.00%), 3.17 H/s yes!
[2016-12-31 09:05:28] CPU #2: 0.76 H/s
[2016-12-31 09:05:29] accepted: 9/9 (100.00%), 3.13 H/s yes!

Why with only 1 thread cpu makes about 3 H/s and with 4 threads cpu makes only 0.80 H/s ?

[thefix]

can this new algo be mined effectively with gpu or it's like the old one that only cpu work and it is not worth to use gpu? i hope the dev understand that runnign a bot fest coin will never do anything good to the project, mining is very centralized now in this coin

It works better with certain cpu configurations with quad channel memory or dual channel memory. From what I have seen so far the top miners are using Amazon spot instances to get the cheapest cpu prices when the prices are most profitable.

I have tested with multiple cpus and the best configurations seem to be those with dual or quad memory setups

Amazon might be the best way to harvest the most coins, but for the average user a dual core pentium skylake cpu with dual channel memory will give you the most bang for the buck.

I have yet to get my hands on some higher end quad channel memory supported xeons. I have a feeling quad channel xeon setups will perform much better than dual channel setups but would be very cost prohibitive.


Socket 1150 xeons perform about the same as similar clocked pentiums in dual channel configurations.

Might be good to put together a list of cpu speeds and configs if anyone is interested

I have got a i5 5200u processor on my notebook with ubuntu 16.10
cpuminer with option -t 1

Code:

[2017-01-02 17:26:20] CPU #0: 2.85 H/s
[2017-01-02 17:26:36] accepted: 1/1 (100.00%), 2.85 H/s yes!
[2017-01-02 17:26:59] CPU #0: 3.07 H/s
[2017-01-02 17:27:59] CPU #0: 3.04 H/s
[2017-01-02 17:28:59] CPU #0: 3.00 H/s
[2017-01-02 17:29:39] CPU #0: 3.06 H/s
[2017-01-02 17:29:39] xzc.suprnova.cc:5596 lyra2rev2 block 14537
[2017-01-02 17:29:39] CPU #0: 5.94 H/s
[2017-01-02 17:31:20] CPU #0: 2.99 H/s
[2017-01-02 17:31:59] CPU #0: 3.09 H/s
[2017-01-02 17:32:23] CPU #0: 2.92 H/s
[2017-01-02 17:32:30] accepted: 2/2 (100.00%), 2.92 H/s yes!
[2017-01-02 17:32:33] CPU #0: 2.97 H/s
[2017-01-02 17:32:36] accepted: 3/3 (100.00%), 2.97 H/s yes!
[2017-01-02 17:33:12] CPU #0: 3.12 H/s
[2017-01-02 17:34:10] CPU #0: 3.12 H/s
[2017-01-02 17:34:26] CPU #0: 3.02 H/s
[2017-01-02 17:34:53] accepted: 4/4 (100.00%), 3.02 H/s yes!
[2017-01-02 17:35:23] CPU #0: 3.18 H/s
[2017-01-02 17:36:12] CPU #0: 3.13 H/s
[2017-01-02 17:37:08] CPU #0: 3.22 H/s
[2017-01-02 17:37:12] accepted: 5/5 (100.00%), 3.22 H/s yes!
[2017-01-02 17:38:03] CPU #0: 3.29 H/s
[2017-01-02 17:39:00] CPU #0: 3.18 H/s
[2017-01-02 17:39:56] CPU #0: 3.20 H/s
[2017-01-02 17:40:23] xzc.suprnova.cc:5596 lyra2rev2 block 14539
[2017-01-02 17:41:14] CPU #0: 3.11 H/s
[2017-01-02 17:41:20] accepted: 6/6 (100.00%), 3.11 H/s yes!
[2017-01-02 17:42:08] CPU #0: 3.34 H/s
[2017-01-02 17:43:04] CPU #0: 3.22 H/s
[2017-01-02 17:44:00] CPU #0: 3.25 H/s
[2017-01-02 17:44:13] CPU #0: 3.33 H/s
[2017-01-02 17:44:44] accepted: 7/7 (100.00%), 3.33 H/s yes!
[2017-01-02 17:45:11] CPU #0: 3.15 H/s
[2017-01-02 17:46:08] CPU #0: 3.17 H/s
[2017-01-02 17:47:02] CPU #0: 3.36 H/s
[2017-01-02 17:48:57] CPU #0: 3.11 H/s
[2017-01-02 17:49:56] CPU #0: 3.05 H/s

cpuminer without option -t

Code:

[2016-12-31 08:51:49] CPU #1: 0.66 H/s
[2016-12-31 08:51:49] accepted: 1/1 (100.00%), 0.66 H/s yes!
[2016-12-31 08:54:05] CPU #2: 0.77 H/s
[2016-12-31 08:54:06] accepted: 2/2 (100.00%), 1.43 H/s yes!
[2016-12-31 08:54:42] CPU #2: 0.76 H/s
[2016-12-31 08:54:42] accepted: 3/3 (100.00%), 1.42 H/s yes!
[2016-12-31 08:56:44] xzc.suprnova.cc:5596 lyra2rev2 block 14138
[2016-12-31 08:56:45] CPU #1: 0.78 H/s
[2016-12-31 08:56:45] CPU #3: 0.82 H/s
[2016-12-31 08:56:45] CPU #2: 0.82 H/s
[2016-12-31 08:56:45] CPU #0: 0.78 H/s
[2016-12-31 08:57:12] xzc.suprnova.cc:5596 lyra2rev2 block 14139
[2016-12-31 08:57:13] CPU #2: 0.84 H/s
[2016-12-31 08:57:13] CPU #3: 0.87 H/s
[2016-12-31 08:57:13] CPU #0: 0.84 H/s
[2016-12-31 08:57:13] CPU #1: 0.83 H/s
[2016-12-31 08:57:19] CPU #2: 0.67 H/s
[2016-12-31 08:57:19] accepted: 4/4 (100.00%), 3.20 H/s yes!
[2016-12-31 08:58:02] xzc.suprnova.cc:5596 lyra2rev2 block 14140
[2016-12-31 08:58:03] CPU #3: 0.84 H/s
[2016-12-31 08:58:03] CPU #2: 0.84 H/s
[2016-12-31 08:58:03] CPU #0: 0.80 H/s
[2016-12-31 08:58:03] CPU #1: 0.82 H/s
[2016-12-31 08:59:43] CPU #1: 0.79 H/s
[2016-12-31 08:59:43] accepted: 5/5 (100.00%), 3.27 H/s yes!
[2016-12-31 09:00:19] CPU #3: 0.82 H/s
[2016-12-31 09:00:19] accepted: 6/6 (100.00%), 3.25 H/s yes!
[2016-12-31 09:04:03] CPU #3: 0.77 H/s
[2016-12-31 09:04:03] accepted: 7/7 (100.00%), 3.20 H/s yes!
[2016-12-31 09:05:12] CPU #2: 0.80 H/s
[2016-12-31 09:05:13] accepted: 8/8 (100.00%), 3.17 H/s yes!
[2016-12-31 09:05:28] CPU #2: 0.76 H/s
[2016-12-31 09:05:29] accepted: 9/9 (100.00%), 3.13 H/s yes!

Why with only 1 thread cpu makes about 3 H/s and with 4 threads cpu makes only 0.80 H/s ?

-t 2 will give you better results if you have a dual channel memory config, otherwise stick with -t 1

That is a pretty low power draw cpu, I think around 20 watts if I remember correctly

How are your heat levels while mining?

[lukax8]

@thefix
only 15W

with option t2

Code:

[2017-01-02 19:15:19] CPU #0: 1.41 H/s
[2017-01-02 19:15:19] CPU #1: 1.59 H/s
[2017-01-02 19:15:57] CPU #1: 1.60 H/s
[2017-01-02 19:16:01] CPU #0: 1.45 H/s
[2017-01-02 19:16:34] CPU #1: 1.64 H/s
[2017-01-02 19:16:40] CPU #0: 1.56 H/s
[2017-01-02 19:17:08] CPU #1: 1.82 H/s
[2017-01-02 19:17:15] CPU #0: 1.73 H/s
[2017-01-02 19:17:43] CPU #1: 1.74 H/s
[2017-01-02 19:17:51] CPU #0: 1.70 H/s
[2017-01-02 19:18:18] CPU #1: 1.75 H/s
[2017-01-02 19:18:29] CPU #0: 1.61 H/s
[2017-01-02 19:18:58] CPU #1: 1.53 H/s
[2017-01-02 19:19:16] CPU #0: 1.29 H/s
[2017-01-02 19:19:40] CPU #1: 1.46 H/s
[2017-01-02 19:20:02] CPU #0: 1.34 H/s
[2017-01-02 19:20:16] CPU #1: 1.69 H/s
[2017-01-02 19:20:37] CPU #0: 1.63 H/s
[2017-01-02 19:20:41] accepted: 1/1 (100.00%), 3.32 H/s yes!
[2017-01-02 19:20:51] CPU #1: 1.72 H/s
[2017-01-02 19:21:14] CPU #0: 1.67 H/s
[2017-01-02 19:21:25] CPU #1: 1.79 H/s
[2017-01-02 19:21:50] CPU #0: 1.70 H/s
[2017-01-02 19:22:00] CPU #1: 1.74 H/s
[2017-01-02 19:22:28] CPU #0: 1.60 H/s
[2017-01-02 19:22:36] CPU #1: 1.70 H/s
[2017-01-02 19:23:06] CPU #0: 1.64 H/s
[2017-01-02 19:23:13] CPU #1: 1.66 H/s
[2017-01-02 19:23:25] CPU #0: 1.58 H/s
[2017-01-02 19:23:27] accepted: 2/2 (100.00%), 3.25 H/s yes!
[2017-01-02 19:23:49] CPU #1: 1.68 H/s
[2017-01-02 19:24:01] CPU #0: 1.68 H/s
[2017-01-02 19:24:24] CPU #1: 1.73 H/s
[2017-01-02 19:24:38] CPU #0: 1.68 H/s
[2017-01-02 19:24:59] CPU #1: 1.76 H/s
[2017-01-02 19:25:15] CPU #0: 1.64 H/s
[2017-01-02 19:25:33] CPU #0: 1.63 H/s
[2017-01-02 19:25:34] CPU #1: 1.76 H/s
[2017-01-02 19:25:41] accepted: 3/3 (100.00%), 3.40 H/s yes!
[2017-01-02 19:26:09] CPU #1: 1.75 H/s
[2017-01-02 19:26:10] CPU #0: 1.68 H/s

$ sensors
coretemp-isa-0000
Physical id 0:  +73.0°C  (high = +105.0°C, crit = +105.0°C)
Core 0:         +73.0°C  (high = +105.0°C, crit = +105.0°C)
Core 1:         +69.0°C  (high = +105.0°C, crit = +105.0°C)

acpitz-virtual-0
Adapter: Virtual device
temp1:        +27.8°C 


with option t1
$ sensors
coretemp-isa-0000
Adapter: ISA adapter
Physical id 0:  +69.0°C  (high = +105.0°C, crit = +105.0°C)
Core 0:         +62.0°C  (high = +105.0°C, crit = +105.0°C)
Core 1:         +69.0°C  (high = +105.0°C, crit = +105.0°C)

acpitz-virtual-0
Adapter: Virtual device
temp1:        +27.8°C 

[thefix]

@lukax8


Looks to me like your laptop is not configured with a dual channel memory setup and it is possible that it may not support it.


Can you pop open the memory bay and see if both ram slots are populated?


If you have the brand and model # I can search and see if its supported


It might just be better to stick with -t 1 and keep an eye on temps


edit: You may also be able to see the config in your bios

[lukax8]

@thefix
I just checked, only a slot of ram 

http://support.hp.com/us-en/product/HP-15-r200-Notebook-PC-series/7486447/model/7688301/document/c04547841/

with t1 option, I checked with system monitors the thread at 100% constantly changes. The work runs in a circle on all threads so temperature remains low

[cyberspacemonkey]

Yeah mining is kinda weird, the less threads I use the better performance I get too. Probably a memory issue.

[drays]

I have recently got into this coin, the wallet takes 5.25 hrs to load, that's after three days to sync.  then i go to mine with it and get run time error's and the wallet crash's. is there any way to make it load faster and actually solo mine? or is there at least a windows miner that i can use for AMD cpu or gpu? i have no clue how to compile and ubuntu will not dual boot with my computer so i am stuck on win 7 x64. I do not get why i have issues with this coin. i have a x6 cpu 8gb ram and rx 480 with a 850w psu. i love mining and i am willing to learn more if i can find the help.

I did not solomine, and I doubt very much it will be effective unless you have a lot of computing power.

So better to use a pool. There is no GPU miner, as to Windows CPU mine, you can probably use this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1638450.msg16977284#msg16977284 (its the post from Devs, so I think it should be reliable, but don't hold me responsible if the miner have any kind of virus ). I use Linux, so I cannot vouch for any Windows miner.

[ERossin]

I still mine this coin with some old servers 8 cores with free electricity in my office.
I feel funny with this coin, I expect the price will return back at 0.01btc in 3 months later.
Happy New Year all investors of zcoin.

[zcoinofficial]

can this new algo be mined effectively with gpu or it's like the old one that only cpu work and it is not worth to use gpu? i hope the dev understand that runnign a bot fest coin will never do anything good to the project, mining is very centralized now in this coin

The new algo MTP is expected to be kinda like Equihash whereby GPUs can also mine it but it won't be dominated by GPUs only and CPUs can still play a role.
It's still in development though and we're about 70% done.

I have recently got into this coin, the wallet takes 5.25 hrs to load, that's after three days to sync.  then i go to mine with it and get run time error's and the wallet crash's. is there any way to make it load faster and actually solo mine? or is there at least a windows miner that i can use for AMD cpu or gpu? i have no clue how to compile and ubuntu will not dual boot with my computer so i am stuck on win 7 x64. I do not get why i have issues with this coin. i have a x6 cpu 8gb ram and rx 480 with a 850w psu. i love mining and i am willing to learn more if i can find the help.

Hey TheFryer, the slow wallet load issue is known and a fix is actually already being tested. From our testing right now it looks very positive. The first load still takes several hours for re-verification but subsequent loads are in minutes. We'll also look at getting a bootstrap up for those who don't want to download the whole chain manually.

For solo mining, may not be that good now and GPU mining is not possible with this algo at this point in time but as this algo is only a stop gap until our new MTP mining algorithm is implemented. Best to try with a pool using this guide which also has links to binaries for Windows: https://github.com/zcoinofficial/zcoin/wiki/Pool-Mining-Guide

Just setup a ZCoin mining pool. If there are problems, let me know.
https://gflare.io/coin/zcoin

pool you use Who version of the wallet , Poramin or Gary?

He is on Poramin's version. The only version that matters right now. But he's still working on some issue with his pool.

Can Founders secretly mint Zerocoins?

No, they (and not including the dev) do not have access to the initial parameters and are subject to the same rules as everyone else.

Did you mean "not excluding the dev"?..  

How do we detect a breach in Zcoin's initial parameters or a vulnerability?

In the event of Zcoin's initial parameters being compromised or some other vulnerability is discovered, Zerocoins can be minted. However this is easily detected as total supply is still auditable.
Total supply of coins that should exist = (block number x block reward)
OP_ZEROCOINMINT function shows all mints + 0.1 mint fee
OP_ZEROCOINSPEND shows all spends of Zerocoin
So you know exactly how many Zerocoins have entered the Zerocoin pool and how many Zerocoins have exited the Zerocoin pool.
total supply >= all circular money - (#zerocoin_mint_tx + 0.1 for each tx) + #zerocoin_spend_tx

Remember an example of a bug that can cause things going haywire has been observed in Bitcoin (https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Value_overflow_incident) but it was detected and fixed because the total supply was auditable.

This is not possible with Zcash as transaction amounts are obscured making it impossible to determine so if a flaw is found, this is a much bigger risk. This is the trade off for their added anonymity and we feel it's a risky one although they have attempted to mitigate this by multiple costly security audits.

I have a question here:
ok, lets assume we have detected that something is arong with total supply, so someone is minting "counterfeith" zerocoins... So what next? What can be done to save the coin in such case? Can anything be done, or as soon as it happens, the coin is doomed together with the investment people have made into it?

Yes what I meant was the dev doesn't know the initial parameters either double negative oops .

It is noted that knowing the initial parameters does not break the anonymity of transactions, just that it allows the counterfeiting of Zerocoins which isn't really in the RSA accumulator. And as previously mentioned, when the supply doesn't check out, this will be detected.

In such a serious scenario, all Zerocoin spend transactions will probably need to be frozen while we identify the issue (if it's a bug which is the better problem) or whether someone truly knows p and q (which is a worse problem) though we think the latter scenario is highly unlikely. It is in our roadmap to replace these parameters eventually anyway with a non trusted setup which should resolve any remaining concerns but as I understand it, anonymity is preserved in either case.

It's also worth noting that some people have criticized the use of RSA primes. If RSA breaks, a whole lot more things are going to be broken (web browsers, chat applications, email, VPNs, SSL certs) and most likely Zcoin would be the least of your concerns as illustrated in this interesting side read: https://petertodd.org/2016/cypherpunk-desert-bus-zcash-trusted-setup-ceremony#zk-snarks

[coskunz]

can this new algo be mined effectively with gpu or it's like the old one that only cpu work and it is not worth to use gpu? i hope the dev understand that runnign a bot fest coin will never do anything good to the project, mining is very centralized now in this coin

The new algo MTP is expected to be kinda like Equihash whereby GPUs can also mine it but it won't be dominated by GPUs only and CPUs can still play a role.
It's still in development though and we're about 70% done.

I have recently got into this coin, the wallet takes 5.25 hrs to load, that's after three days to sync.  then i go to mine with it and get run time error's and the wallet crash's. is there any way to make it load faster and actually solo mine? or is there at least a windows miner that i can use for AMD cpu or gpu? i have no clue how to compile and ubuntu will not dual boot with my computer so i am stuck on win 7 x64. I do not get why i have issues with this coin. i have a x6 cpu 8gb ram and rx 480 with a 850w psu. i love mining and i am willing to learn more if i can find the help.

Hey TheFryer, the slow wallet load issue is known and a fix is actually already being tested. From our testing right now it looks very positive. The first load still takes several hours for re-verification but subsequent loads are in minutes. We'll also look at getting a bootstrap up for those who don't want to download the whole chain manually.

For solo mining, may not be that good now and GPU mining is not possible with this algo at this point in time but as this algo is only a stop gap until our new MTP mining algorithm is implemented. Best to try with a pool using this guide which also has links to binaries for Windows: https://github.com/zcoinofficial/zcoin/wiki/Pool-Mining-Guide

Just setup a ZCoin mining pool. If there are problems, let me know.
https://gflare.io/coin/zcoin

pool you use Who version of the wallet , Poramin or Gary?

He is on Poramin's version. The only version that matters right now. But he's still working on some issue with his pool.

Can Founders secretly mint Zerocoins?

No, they (and not including the dev) do not have access to the initial parameters and are subject to the same rules as everyone else.

Did you mean "not excluding the dev"?..  

How do we detect a breach in Zcoin's initial parameters or a vulnerability?

In the event of Zcoin's initial parameters being compromised or some other vulnerability is discovered, Zerocoins can be minted. However this is easily detected as total supply is still auditable.
Total supply of coins that should exist = (block number x block reward)
OP_ZEROCOINMINT function shows all mints + 0.1 mint fee
OP_ZEROCOINSPEND shows all spends of Zerocoin
So you know exactly how many Zerocoins have entered the Zerocoin pool and how many Zerocoins have exited the Zerocoin pool.
total supply >= all circular money - (#zerocoin_mint_tx + 0.1 for each tx) + #zerocoin_spend_tx

Remember an example of a bug that can cause things going haywire has been observed in Bitcoin (https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Value_overflow_incident) but it was detected and fixed because the total supply was auditable.

This is not possible with Zcash as transaction amounts are obscured making it impossible to determine so if a flaw is found, this is a much bigger risk. This is the trade off for their added anonymity and we feel it's a risky one although they have attempted to mitigate this by multiple costly security audits.

I have a question here:
ok, lets assume we have detected that something is arong with total supply, so someone is minting "counterfeith" zerocoins... So what next? What can be done to save the coin in such case? Can anything be done, or as soon as it happens, the coin is doomed together with the investment people have made into it?

Yes what I meant was the dev doesn't know the initial parameters either double negative oops .

It is noted that knowing the initial parameters does not break the anonymity of transactions, just that it allows the counterfeiting of Zerocoins which isn't really in the RSA accumulator. And as previously mentioned, when the supply doesn't check out, this will be detected.

In such a serious scenario, all Zerocoin spend transactions will probably need to be frozen while we identify the issue (if it's a bug which is the better problem) or whether someone truly knows p and q (which is a worse problem) though we think the latter scenario is highly unlikely. It is in our roadmap to replace these parameters eventually anyway with a non trusted setup which should resolve any remaining concerns but as I understand it, anonymity is preserved in either case.

It's also worth noting that some people have criticized the use of RSA primes. If RSA breaks, a whole lot more shit is going to be broken and most likely Zcoin would be the least of your concerns.
Interesting side read: https://petertodd.org/2016/cypherpunk-desert-bus-zcash-trusted-setup-ceremony#zk-snarks

It's nice to hear this news. I have just mined some coins from my dual cpu servers. it looks good but I want a new MTP algo for testing.
Is maybe available in february or March of 2017? Thank you.