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October 22, 2016, 08:15:35 PM
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I have read that many people, in countries that have repressive governments, use bitcoin to move their money out of the country. It seems to me that the bitcoins of the future need to be untraceable by governments to be useful to the public. Which altcoins are being developed that could fill this need? These might be the altcoins to watch. Such altcoins would probably not need an exchange, nor want one to remain non-traceable. I assume such altcoins would be sent straight from one's own computer. Perhaps there is an article written on the subject.

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in my opinion there are many altcoin which are not Trace by the government because they are not varified they can ran any time or even the owner can ran  ( common examples at the exvhan like yobit with coin rate 1 satoshi ) .
so many altcoin are in this category which are not traced by the government


I agree, i dont think that government trace all altcoins. Many things that can
be traceable by the government but not the altcoins.

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October 23, 2016, 01:05:28 AM
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Our very own thieving government heads (Washington, USA), and the rich fuckers who own them, will soon be using altcoin themselves to hide their illegal bribery loot around the world. So, it's not just the average Joe who will need altcoins to hide his money from those stealing government whores. This is why I believe altcoins have a future. Not because we need altcoin, but because these government criminals need altcoin. They will make altcoin a reality because they need it to steal from the people they govern.

The President of the United States: "Don't send cash. Send bitcoin to this bitcoin wallet and I'll sign the bill in congress to send your country the weapons."



This is why bitcoin has a bright future. The fuckers in power need bitcoin to continue their criminal empires. Terrorist hell! The men and women in charge of all the world's governments ARE the terrorists, and they need bitcoin to operate.

The USA presidential election has really been an education for me. It has opened my eyes. These power mongers on both sides have come out in the open for the world to see. The emails helped. God what a slimy bunch run our government. They don't even pretend any longer. 13 million for a speaking engagement! Give me a break! And the republicans are no better. I've lost all faith in any government official. That is why I support altcoins. The  people are going to need altcoins/bitcoins in the near future to hide and protect their money from these fuckers.

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October 23, 2016, 02:24:59 AM
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Why would a government trace an Average Joe's crypto activity. i mean there are a lot of more important stuff to do for them

there are tons of average joes who skimp on their taxes, don't pay child support, buy drugs, buy guns and on and on. governments chase millions of average joes every single day. prisons are filled with average joes.

The average joe won't likely have the careful attention to detail to make their anonymity significantly difficult for the government to track them. But default anonymity protections could possibly protect the average joe from casual privacy invasions. And the meticulous joe could probably make it not worth the government's effort to track them given the necessary anonymity protocols in the crypto-currency system. The high valued target is nearly always going to be vulnerable to the NSA, unless that target's resources and expertise matches sufficiently the countermeasures the NSA can employ.

Agreed and i think you hit the heart of the matter.

What it all REALLY boils down to is not the goal of perfect security with a coin.
What it comes down to is the measures each person takes to secure themselves.
Hell, maybe choosing *which* anon coin will make the difference.. one being more vulnerable than the other.
Which would mean it's the end users decision on how tight their security is.
For example..
I *could* use TOR ..never have though.
I don't care ..sorry  Cheesy
I mean shit i ain't got squat to hide and if hackers got me i'd re-install windows.. hahahha
But i do have some random unusual extra security efforts at work though.

So anyway it boils down to "Levels" of security i think.
Lets agree nothing is bullet proof 100% secure forever.
Then lets think well the more secure you want to be the more effort you need to spend making it that way.
So we end up with a security level dependent on your individual efforts.

So which coin is the most secure ?
Tough question.. i don't know hahahhaha
yeah and i opened my mouth up here ranting away regardless LOL

You would need a crypto tech specialist here to analysis which alleged anon coin gives you an edge over the other.
And i have said for ages i think they are all vulnerable in similar ways so the difference will not be too much.
I have said depending on how bad they want you they are all insecure tech.

With massive computing power available these days the cross-referencing methods is diabolical.
Want to track a guy ?
Control all points..
Contact his ISP and serve them a warrant and start logging where he goes from the ISP.
And who owns the US backbones ? Why do you think they are registered as DOD IP's ? (U.S. Department Of Defense)
Then think of where you think the target is going to go.. Facebook ? Hotmail ?
Contact both and serve them a warrant and start tracking them there too.
Eventually they have seized all control points and you cant move with out hitting them.
And they have your ass.. nailing the unknown figure moving from point to point.

THAT is the method crackers use to patch a software program.
We can see the ASM code that says congrats you are registered.
And we simply "Patch" it so it jumps over the entire protection scheme.
Which with an ANON coin we don't need to reverse or break it's security we can jump over it with cross referencing attacks.
They say our coin.. such as Monero is 100% secure.. well that may be but it's irrelevant.
We don't need to Keygen their protection system .. we can simply patch it to avoid it.

Other crackers out there should see what i am saying.. patching vs Keygen'ing.
The firewall i use now i keygen'd many years ago and i also got into arguments with the dev / owner of it.
I told him yeah i keygen'd your app and... i can patch it if i need to with 1 line of code.
He did not believe me then got mouthy so i patched it and took a screen cap of the .NET program disassembled and highlighted what line to change from 0 to 1.
He got mouthy and sad that didn't work so i released a package of source code for his program that included the .NET patching guide i made then a Win32API command line Keygen and another Win32 pure API GUI based keygen then i also wrote a C sharp .net GUI keygen and i posted them publicly for all the other forum users. And i reminded him that my .NET patch works.. it's just that he needed to put anything in the registry entry for the "Key" which i had forgot about to make my point.
So he tried it with no key in the Win registry and it failed but it would have worked if he entered in anything.
And i would not have unleashed on his ass if had kept his cocky rude mouthy shut LOL
I STILL have his program installed and keygen'd 3 or 4 years after the conversation with him ROFL
But if needed... i'd patch his ass in a heart beat (get it ?)
He can roll up his Caesar Cipher And stuff it up his ass  Grin

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October 23, 2016, 11:54:39 AM
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I have read that many people, in countries that have repressive governments, use bitcoin to move their money out of the country. It seems to me that the bitcoins of the future need to be untraceable by governments to be useful to the public. Which altcoins are being developed that could fill this need? These might be the altcoins to watch. Such altcoins would probably not need an exchange, nor want one to remain non-traceable. I assume such altcoins would be sent straight from one's own computer. Perhaps there is an article written on the subject.

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Woodford
in my opinion there are many altcoin which are not Trace by the government because they are not varified they can ran any time or even the owner can ran  ( common examples at the exvhan like yobit with coin rate 1 satoshi ) .
so many altcoin are in this category which are not traced by the government


I agree, i dont think that government trace all altcoins. Many things that can
be traceable by the government but not the altcoins.
yes i also do not think that no alt coin is traceable by the government as they have their anonymous characteristic, and the second reason is that i think still government still not feel the need to tract an  alt coin as there is not a bad effect on the health  of government by any alt therefore they really not need to trace it.
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October 23, 2016, 11:29:14 PM
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Until the day that the NSA is complaining to the US Congress that it can't tell what's going on and trying to make crypto illegal (again*) I'd just assume that everything can be traced given enough time and money.

* https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/mar/28/the-fbi-used-to-recommend-encryption-now-they-want-to-ban-it

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