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October 25, 2016, 04:15:19 PM
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https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/oct/22/city-banks-plan-to-hoard-bitcoins-to-help-them-pay-cyber-ransoms

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Several of London’s largest banks are looking to stockpile bitcoins in order to pay off cyber criminals who threaten to bring down their critical IT systems.

The virtual currency, which is highly prized by criminal networks because it cannot be traced, is being acquired by blue chip companies in order to pay ransoms, according to a leading IT expert.

On Friday, hackers attacked the websites of a number of leading online companies including Twitter, Spotify and Reddit. They used a special code to harness the power of hundreds of thousands of internet-connected home devices, such as CCTV cameras and printers, to launch “distributed denial of service” (DDoS) attacks through a US company called Dyn, which provides directory services to online companies. DDoS attacks involve inundating computer servers with so much data traffic that they cannot cope.

There is no evidence that Dyn was the subject of extortion demands but it has become apparent that hackers have been using the code to threaten other businesses into paying them with bitcoins or risk becoming the target of similar attacks.

Dr Simon Moores, a former technology ambassador for the UK government and chair of the annual international e-Crime Congress, the global body that brings together IT professionals, said the scale and ferocity of the attacks meant some banks were coming round to the view that it was cheaper to pay off the criminals than risk an attack.

 
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October 25, 2016, 04:17:04 PM
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1658795.0 too.

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October 25, 2016, 04:41:41 PM
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When it comes to any wacky stories about limiting peoples rights or hoarding for a potential issue they should be ready for or not openly acting like they are walking around naked,it never fails to be the U.K! Just really hope that most the things they are attempting are shown to be foolish.
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October 25, 2016, 05:22:15 PM
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this is all old news from atleast 6 months ago

the news paper article is resurrecting old news and written to confuse the matter
they mention one bunch of hackers/script kiddies that do DDoS attacks and another group of hackers/script kiddies who throw ransomware at employee's who use their work pc's to look at dodgy sites and download dodgy things.

many banks have been informed by security advisors months ago that it might be worth keeping a stash of bitcoin in the event that the second scenario happens. but this still does not mean the banks will do this. its just a recommendation from security analysts as a precaution.. and an old recommendation at that.

it seems due to the bitcoin price moving forward, some people thing they should use this as a way to push the price forward more by showing why everyone should buy buy buy, via news articles 'reporting' that some whales are soon gonna buy..
though the reality is the news articles are about 6 months behind the story they are resurrecting

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October 25, 2016, 06:24:46 PM
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It may make sense to buy some Bitcoin for any organization that has a large IT operation.
Many companies see computers, shared drives etc get hit by ransomware and they may not always have backups of that data.
(Especially if you are talking about individual users laptops etc)

I don't think that any of these companies are going to be buying and hoarding enough coins for it to make a difference in the price of BTC,
but its an interesting topic to discuss, at least.

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October 25, 2016, 06:33:02 PM
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Doesn't really surprise me, however I don't know if that's a good choice for them in the longer-run to be honest. Until they can get a better solution I would say go for it, but just /gg'ing it and giving the randsomware user what they want might be too simple of a solution.

Then again, considering the nature of randsomware, they might not have many other options.
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October 25, 2016, 06:39:07 PM
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It may make sense to buy some Bitcoin for any organization that has a large IT operation.
Many companies see computers, shared drives etc get hit by ransomware and they may not always have backups of that data.
(Especially if you are talking about individual users laptops etc)

I don't think that any of these companies are going to be buying and hoarding enough coins for it to make a difference in the price of BTC,
but its an interesting topic to discuss, at least.
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October 25, 2016, 06:41:52 PM
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A simpler solution would be to have mandatory automatic backups of everything at work. I know of rabsomware where they wanted a certainly amount to decrypt some files that they had been encrypting without the owner's knowledge.

There's no point in sending the bitcoins though because even if you do who's to say you'll get your files back?

And as previously stated, this is very old news. It didn't make a din the price and I wouldn't expect a surge because of it (although we've had some nice rises lately Wink).
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October 25, 2016, 07:17:06 PM
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I dont believe this a single bit. Why on earth would they remove the virus after getting the Randsom ? If you stupid enough to pay a random then you deserve what you get. Paying random is the most stupid thing I habe ever heard of. Whilst we at it why not god in to terrorist demands too ? Let's make it easy for criminals and encourage them by paying them . wow, you can't get much more stupid. Also the article is from the guardian which speaks for itself.
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October 26, 2016, 10:04:22 PM
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I find it difficult to believe that banks are preparing to pay a ransom, but I know that banks invest in many fields. Properties, shares, bonds, so it's not surprising at all they're buying a few BTC.

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October 26, 2016, 10:49:44 PM
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Banks now have no choice since most old devices can easily throttle domains down.

Let's hope they can fix this issue so they don't have to worry about it anymore.

In all honesty there tends to be hassle dealing with hackers about secret information so paying ransom still might not stop them.

Although this is a tempoary issue, there's more ways to stop it soon before you think... Most hack attacks only work once or for a limited amount of time before some more are released.

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October 27, 2016, 12:16:05 AM
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Or maybe they are just using the possible threat of ransoms as an excuse to hoadr bitcoin while at the same time saving face while doing so.
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October 27, 2016, 01:38:51 AM
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I find it difficult to believe that banks are preparing to pay a ransom, but I know that banks invest in many fields. Properties, shares, bonds, so it's not surprising at all they're buying a few BTC.
Bank are already having a large of domination in all of the fields in this day, with their money power every section in every country are controlled by bank and including the bank can influence the government for taking the decision are pro into the bank parties and that's why a lot of people are hating him. this news is already 6 month ago and i think they have more in this time.

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October 27, 2016, 01:45:02 AM
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Do we have any confirmed information that some bank actually paid the ransom already?
Or they stockpiling Bitcoin just in case of some crazy ransomware will infect their whole system or something?
Anyway it is another argument to ditch old school banking technology and switch to blockchain based financial tech.

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October 27, 2016, 07:37:10 AM
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Do we have any confirmed information that some bank actually paid the ransom already?

I haven't found any, but I guess it's not the sort of thing they'd shout about due to the "Payers List" scenario

http://observer.com/2015/09/symantec-says-not-to-pay-when-data-gets-caught-in-ransomware/

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October 27, 2016, 08:09:35 AM
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I don't believe these people, they may be hoarding Bitcoin coins for different purpose, may be they are trying to edge against some risk, because to me there is no need to hoard Bitcoin since it is always on the exchanges when needed
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I love the use of the word "hoarding", it reminds me of tinfoil hats with their cans of beans and shotgun ammo waiting for Armageddon.
Or the way people rush off to the supermarket and buy trolley loads of sugar when there's a powercut.

Banks "hoarding" Bitcoin implies some delegated suit with the keys to a cash box full of the dirty stuff marked "ONLY TO BE OPENED IN THE EVENT OF BLACKMAIL."
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October 27, 2016, 12:36:26 PM
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I remember this piece of news lightly from earlier... Why don't they just secure their platforms? Much easier to hire technicians who know a thing or two about security and have them full time than hoarding Bitcoin (and taking it away from people who actually want to buy it in the market), have it forgotten in cold storage (or foolishly in some hot wallet thrown around). I don't really understand this mentality of "damage control", prevention is the way to go...
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I love the use of the word "hoarding", it reminds me of tinfoil hats with their cans of beans and shotgun ammo waiting for Armageddon.
Or the way people rush off to the supermarket and buy trolley loads of sugar when there's a powercut.

I don't share your derogatory opinion about people who stockpile food and items for personal security to be prepared for failures of the supply chain. Portraying these people as "tinfoil hats" tells a lot about you and your level of knowledge. Today's supply chains are far less robust than 50 years ago, because supermarkets have reduced storage space out of cost optimizations. A lot of products is delivered just in time. In addition, modern agriculture is resting on the shoulders of very few people and is highly dependent on specialized plants, fertilizers, pesticides and modern machinery.
Apparently you don't follow the news, because in fact the German government recently issued an official recommendation to its citizen to stockpile supplies in case of emergency. If you need an example why stockpiling makes sense, you can have a look at Venezuela.

What's disturbing is not that banks prepare for disaster. It's disturbing that they do it via buying Bitcoin, not by strengthening their system security.

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I don't share your derogatory opinion about people who stockpile food and items for personal security to be prepared for failures of the supply chain. Portraying these people as "tinfoil hats" tells a lot about you and your level of knowledge.

Get the stick outta your ass, it was a little joke.

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