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November 02, 2016, 04:37:25 PM
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Exactly. One of the malicious actors trying to hold Bitcoin hostage is Roger Ver, who has significant investment interests in various altcoins. There is overwhelming agreement by the developing and scientific community that SegWit is the best concept currently available to allow Bitcoin to scale without sacrificing decentralization
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Dumbass.  Bitcoin is already fully centralized as it is completely under total control by Blockstream, a private for profit entity.  They continue to put forth radical changes including SegWit and LN and continue to shield these changes by saying their alt is 'bitcoin'.  This SegWit/LN alt is not Bitcoin.  

Bitcoin was hijacked because 1MegGreg has centralized control of the commit access and he managed to run off everyone with ideas that don't agree with the Blockstream objectives of privatizing the blockchain.  

They can easily go launch their alt on their own blockchain if they like.  But they know that will fail.  They need to force the Bitcoin user base onto their chain and for this they need to push SegWit and LN onto the original Bitcoin to control that well established user base.

SegWit and LN is bullshit.  It is not Bitcoin.

Repeating the same nonsense over and over again in the hope of it becoming truth is the same as trying to make a dog out of a pile of its poo-poo. It just doesn't work.

Either you just like to insult people or you have been indoctrinated by the moles Hearn and Andresen. You totally fail to see reality here. Bitcoin can't scale on chain in an efficient way and preserve a decentralized network without a solution for micro transactions. SegWit and Lightning Network are an ingenious method to solve the capacity limitations of Bitcoin without exposing the Bitcoin network to governmental control.

If you think that is not Bitcoin than you should leave and embrace your favorite altcoin. In fact it will be a win for the quality and mode of discussion in this forum.

ya.ya.yo!

You should leave Bitcoin and take Blockstream to embrace your favorite altcoin which is SegWit/LN.  SegWit/LN is not Bitcoin.  


Your dog shit story is just dumb.  You are a moron for drinking the Blockstream Kool-Aid and coming here to sell their vision to move the Bitcoin user base to their very stupid proprietary altcoin. 

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November 02, 2016, 04:38:22 PM
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I do not give a fuck what the ratio will be, because I know people will warm up to SegWit as soon as they see the impact it will have on the network. We will be able to fit more transactions into a block, without having to increase the Block size, just by ignoring data that are not going to be used.

We also spank malleable transactions & increase security and it also has the potential to decrease bandwidth requirements for SPV nodes.

We now have a network geared for the next evolution to the LN. ^smile^ So play around with ratios all you want, we do not care.  Grin

Has anyone identified any real downside or risk with SegWit? I've not heard of any. So the only reason I can think of for someone to oppose SegWit is just to hold it hostage (keeping under the 95% threshold for activation) while promoting their own alternative scheme. I would hope such a tactic fails, as there is nothing preventing worthy alternatives from being implemented later on their own merits.

segwit is a big code rewrite.. though the features offer something. the actual coding should not be deemed uptopian dream of safety.
nor should everyone running just one codebase. or have all pools running one codebase.

the whole point of bitcoin is not to trust third parties 'because they have 4-6 years experience' or 'because they are well funded by banks' but instead have a diverse system that self sustains the network independently. where features grow where diversity can all come to their own solution that all nodes are happy with(consensus)
decentralized, diverse distribution should matter more then features of everyone jumping to one codebase.

the devs will say its been running for months.. but that is on some sandbox testbed, never needing to care about spending real bitcoins on the real blockchain of 7 years worth of data. not even thinking about users headaches of having to move funds from privkeys to seeds to even be able to use it. or users communicating with the codebase via RPC

if there is a bug in one codebase and everyone is running the same codebase your all screwed and old nodes wont be able to defend against it because they would blindly accept the erroring block because they cannot validate independently. resulting in a whirlwind of orphans or at worse keeping the error locked in the chain due to not vetoing it out.

this is why the 95% is required and also why no one should run just one codebase. diversity reduces the risk of lengthy orphans while also having different codebases to spot a bug where one codebase might miss.

old nodes cannot veto out changes. they can only blindly look passed it. some say its a positive but you should also look at the negative such as not spotting a bug

as for using it, rpc calls have changed, the import key/seed mechanics and other things have changed so it requires alot of playing around before actually using. and ensuring everything works within your system before trusting it to be confidently used by your customers. EG deposit/reserve keys need to change and funds need to move and get re-audited by merchant services before they are happy and confident.

anyone shouting "its brilliant, perfect, it needs to run now now now, everyone jump into one band camp and let the devs control decisions"
are people sold on the brand and dont care for security or bitcoin or the network.

the core devs have shunned alternatives to the sides, saying
even after being coded alternatives need to be delayed by a further 18 months (hypocrisy when people feel 1month seems like a opposition delay tactic)
even ones actually with live code fully working on bitcoins network have been dismissed and falsely called altcoins
even gmaxwell has been telling other implementations to intentionally split rather then treating bitcoin as a community effort to help ALL implementations come to a agreeable consensus.
gmaxwell and chums have only been lobbying the pools. not the merchants. because all they care about is speedy activation, not utility

even recently the core devs have been downselling the proposition. because peoples care of malleability was about double spending.. which even with malleability gone, double spending can still occur due to new features of RBF and CPFP. thus malleability fix has not/will not fix double spend risk
everyone is screaming utopia about segwit making LN possible. but a flaw of LN (address re-use) still has to be addressed
thus all the promises of utopia in late 2015 are getting diluted and core could care less about capacity growth onchain. their agenda is fee-wars and onchain suppression to move people offchain.
as for the linear/quadratic debate. who actually has a legitimate reason to make a single transaction of 4500 input/outputs. there are many many ways to solve quadratic delays, such as limiting signops. thus avoiding large tx attacks

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November 02, 2016, 04:42:17 PM
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I would rather have the current developers { 1MegGreg = funny } have the keys, than NSA agents like Gavin/Hearn. If we wanted someone
to sabotage this experiment even further than they have done, we would have left them in charge.

you do know that gmaxwell is paid by R3 and other agencies.. right?
you do know that pieter wuille is paid by R3 and other agencies.. right?
you do know that matt corallo is paid by R3 and other agencies.. right?
you do know that luke Jr is paid by R3 and other agencies.. right?

oh wait.. now lets see the retraction statement where R3 are suddenly good and not in control of bitcoin

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November 02, 2016, 06:15:51 PM
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Does it mean that our BTC are to be doubled on the altchain?
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November 02, 2016, 06:20:40 PM
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Bitcoin Unlimited will join the altcoin cementery soon along with Bitcoin XT and Bitcoin Classic. By next year we should have segwit activated already.
In the moment of truth people know it's stupid to gamble with developers, and the Core devs are the most solid devs.
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November 03, 2016, 01:57:45 AM
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Personally I'm pretty happy with the softfork instead of a hard fork. it's backwards-compatible and everyone can upgrade whenever they wish.
Let's hope 95% of the blocks will be mined by segwit-supporting pools and we'll see segwit in action!

I am with you but for a whole different reason. A hard fork should be considered only as a last resort. Let's get SegWit up and running already and then get the Lightning Network. There is more potential for exploration of ideas in the route of LN than forking to bigger blocks. The use case of LN as a bridge to other blockchains is what gets me excited.

Plus zcash anonymity could be implemented in LN right?

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November 04, 2016, 11:04:41 PM
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Bitcoin Unlimited will join the altcoin cementery soon along with Bitcoin XT and Bitcoin Classic. By next year we should have segwit activated already.
In the moment of truth people know it's stupid to gamble with developers, and the Core devs are the most solid devs.
OMG what a Kool-Aid drinker.  SegWit and LN is not Bitcoin.  It is CoreAltCoin.  ...and it is stupid.  Fucking stupid. 
Core/Blockstream is the biggest scam in Bitcoin.  They are trying to take over.

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Bitcoin Unlimited will join the altcoin cementery soon along with Bitcoin XT and Bitcoin Classic. By next year we should have segwit activated already.
In the moment of truth people know it's stupid to gamble with developers, and the Core devs are the most solid devs.
OMG what a Kool-Aid drinker.  SegWit and LN is not Bitcoin.  It is CoreAltCoin.  ...and it is stupid.  Fucking stupid. 
Core/Blockstream is the biggest scam in Bitcoin.  They are trying to take over.

That is not a problem because you can always fork it away from the core developers. I understand your argument and your concern but there is no need for name calling and condescending comments. If you do not agree with the cre developers and the direction they are taking then just campaign for the fork in a respectful manner. That is why Roger Ver is still highly respected because he has the right attitude.

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November 05, 2016, 01:48:44 AM
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Bitcoin Unlimited will join the altcoin cementery soon along with Bitcoin XT and Bitcoin Classic. By next year we should have segwit activated already.
In the moment of truth people know it's stupid to gamble with developers, and the Core devs are the most solid devs.
OMG what a Kool-Aid drinker.  SegWit and LN is not Bitcoin.  It is CoreAltCoin.  ...and it is stupid.  Fucking stupid.  
Core/Blockstream is the biggest scam in Bitcoin.  They are trying to take over.

That is not a problem because you can always fork it away from the core developers. I understand your argument and your concern but there is no need for name calling and condescending comments. If you do not agree with the cre developers and the direction they are taking then just campaign for the fork in a respectful manner. That is why Roger Ver is still highly respected because he has the right attitude.

suggesting to fork away from the core devs means they win and make bitcoin a dictatorship.
its like saying if you dont love obama leave america. rather then doing the right thing and showing why they dont deserve to dominate.
especially if those domination lovers want a dictatorship. you dont just hand them the dictatorship by running away. you ensure bitcoin stays diverse, open and no barriers of entry.
again dont fool for the bait of forking away. thats what gmaxwell is begging other implementations to do.. not what the other implementations themselves are begging for.

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November 05, 2016, 03:23:13 AM
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Does it mean that our BTC are to be doubled on the altchain?

Yes,
and the cross chain TX problem thing, will be fixed.

if you simply HODL both your core coins and your BU coins, i think you'll be in the green pretty much the whole time.

but i do believe BU will initially be under valued and eventually be the winner

so i think it would make a lot of sense to allocate a slightly larger % of your coins into BU coins, if for no other reason that there will be more upside potential for BU given that BU starts off at like 5-10$

even if you think the odds are low that BU will eventually come out on top,at 5-10$ its a speculative bet you have to take.

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November 05, 2016, 05:19:08 PM
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Does it mean that our BTC are to be doubled on the altchain?

Yes,
and the cross chain TX problem thing, will be fixed.

if you simply HODL both your core coins and your BU coins, i think you'll be in the green pretty much the whole time.

but i do believe BU will initially be under valued and eventually be the winner

so i think it would make a lot of sense to allocate a slightly larger % of your coins into BU coins, if for no other reason that there will be more upside potential for BU given that BU starts off at like 5-10$

even if you think the odds are low that BU will eventually come out on top,at 5-10$ its a speculative bet you have to take.

Everyone's bitcoins will be doubled!  Why would anyone not want a hard fork? 

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November 05, 2016, 08:30:02 PM
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Everyone's bitcoins will be doubled!  Why would anyone not want a hard fork? 
want to fork away?

clam coin

check it out.
there are your "double coin" statistics

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November 07, 2016, 03:04:06 PM
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Everyone's bitcoins will be doubled!  Why would anyone not want a hard fork? 
want to fork away?

clam coin

check it out.
there are your "double coin" statistics

I want double bitcoins, not double clams.

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I would rather have the current developers { 1MegGreg = funny } have the keys, than NSA agents like Gavin/Hearn. If we wanted someone
to sabotage this experiment even further than they have done, we would have left them in charge.

you do know that gmaxwell is paid by R3 and other agencies.. right?
you do know that pieter wuille is paid by R3 and other agencies.. right?
you do know that matt corallo is paid by R3 and other agencies.. right?
you do know that luke Jr is paid by R3 and other agencies.. right?

oh wait.. now lets see the retraction statement where R3 are suddenly good and not in control of bitcoin

Not all the developers are being paid by R3 .... Guys like Wladimir J. van der Laan and Cory Fields and Marco Falke.  Huh {Not that I know of... } I

would never knowingly support R3 in anything. If everyone is against Bitcoin Core, they should show that in their choice and it will never be

implemented.... so what is the big issue.  Huh The consensus will be the deciding factor here.  Wink

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This interestingly enough made litecoin crash. Why is that?

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BU team without Core team = useless crap. Fork and die as yet another Classic/XT fiasco.

Gambling with a team of amateurs that are lightyears away from Core = committing suicide.

Bitcoin + segwit + LN = the future. BUcoin = delusional amateurism.

All experts agree:

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So let's get this done, or keep complaining about bitcoin's lack of updates.
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The fork is coming soon.  Core will go with SegWit 1MB.  BU will go with >=2MB no SegWit.  After two weeks and one year, what do you think the ratio of value will be Core:BU?

RawDog says 14 days after fork, ratio will be: 2.8:1.  1:1 after one year.



I really dont think that a Hard fork will happen,  it will be costly for us all if it does and bitcoin may never recover.  Undecided
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The fork is coming soon.  Core will go with SegWit 1MB.  BU will go with >=2MB no SegWit.  After two weeks and one year, what do you think the ratio of value will be Core:BU?

RawDog says 14 days after fork, ratio will be: 2.8:1.  1:1 after one year.



I really dont think that a Hard fork will happen,  it will be costly for us all if it does and bitcoin may never recover.  Undecided
This is completely wrong.  A fork is free - it costs nothing.  The only people who lose are the speculators who wish the price will go to the moon.  If we fork, we will have two very high performance networks each with its own functions and advantages.  Price may go down for 6 months, but then we will have two great networks that can be built on according to their particular advantages.  Lightning can go do their thing, 8MB can go do their thing.  Everyone gets a pro-rata share on each network.  Total fairness.  Things might be a little chaotic in the beginning, but ultimately we get diversity which is awesome.  Everyone wins.  Even the speculators will recover in time.  Short term speculators get fucked. 

Fork Now!!!!

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