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Author Topic: Claymore's ZCash AMD GPU Miner v12.6 (Windows/Linux)  (Read 3512765 times)
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November 06, 2016, 04:28:02 AM
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Claymore, do you feel you are entitled to rip / use other people's code in your miner?

https://forum.z.cash/t/silentarmy-v3-now-a-full-miner-multi-gpu-stratum/3580/641
I have submitted this to the forum mods. This thread should be locked until Claymore can answer some questions regarding MIT licensing. mrb clearly thinks his code has been infringed.

I think, that 2.5% fee is enough also for other developers (mrb, genoil, nicehash)

This isn't a question about the fee. This is about outright stealing other people's code and not giving credit where it is due.
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November 06, 2016, 04:30:43 AM
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Claymore, do you feel you are entitled to rip / use other people's code in your miner?

https://forum.z.cash/t/silentarmy-v3-now-a-full-miner-multi-gpu-stratum/3580/641

Ouch! Claymore could have just included the copyright notice and there wouldn't have been any problems...
silentarmy's optimization is actually pretty clever, and the original author definitely deserves a credit.

This makes you wonder how much of other people's code Claymore steals without giving credit.
Other of his binaries are "packed" to avoid disassembling. Gee, I wonder what he is hiding.
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November 06, 2016, 04:33:22 AM
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I wouldn't be surprised if mrb, padrino, and maybe Genoil collaborate on a miner.
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November 06, 2016, 04:40:22 AM
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Claymore, do you feel you are entitled to rip / use other people's code in your miner?

https://forum.z.cash/t/silentarmy-v3-now-a-full-miner-multi-gpu-stratum/3580/641

Ouch! Claymore could have just included the copyright notice and there wouldn't have been any problems...
silentarmy's optimization is actually pretty clever, and the original author definitely deserves a credit.

This makes you wonder how much of other people's code Claymore steals without giving credit.
Other of his binaries are "packed" to avoid disassembling. Gee, I wonder what he is hiding.

Well, it's fairly clear that his works are derivatives of other people's works.
Although they are circumstantial, performance indexes of his miners unmistakably point in this direction.
I just thought he was more careful about licensing terms. It would be a real shame if this case is actually true.  

excavator by NiceHash, a multi-algorithm GPU miner: http://bit.ly/2qcRHlD
Gateless Gate, an open-source ZEC/ETH/XMR/PASC miner: http://bit.ly/2rJ2x4V
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November 06, 2016, 04:41:49 AM
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Keep calm people. It may be just a rumor.
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November 06, 2016, 04:43:56 AM
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Keep calm people. It may be just a rumor.
It isn't a rumor when the author of part of the code clearly says his code has been infringed without due credit.
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November 06, 2016, 04:51:27 AM
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Keep calm people. It may be just a rumor.

Did you actually read the original post by mrb?
The accusation of copyright infringement directly came from the original author, and the evidence seems conclusive.
This is no small matter.

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November 06, 2016, 05:17:09 AM
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Maybe or not. Claymore puts alot of work in his software. Just wait till he responds to the acusations.
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November 06, 2016, 05:22:28 AM
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gpu-z only shows draw from pcie, which I think for newer cards is mostly memory related

Even so, If I'm getting 35 sols drawing 40w and someone else is getting 50 sols drawing 100w how can that be irrelevant?

You do the math  Grin

PS: I pay for my electric bill!

cards do not draw 100 watts from the pcie slot. so when you add your 40 watts from pcie slot to the draw from the 6 pin it probably is around an 85 watt sum.

It is relevant when comparing similar cards.  It is misleading to most though.  It is GPU ONLY draw.  There is more power used by voltage regulation, GDDR5 chips, the rest of the board, etc.  So total card draw may be like 30-50w more.  System power draw will include CPU, ram, mobo, etc.  At the wall will be higher due to efficiency of the PSU (typically 85-92%);  So your system may be more like *(40+30)*6+50)*1.15 = 540w at the wall, which would avg 90w per card.

Stock 480 8G uses ~165 (total of card, not at wall), while gaming, but GPU only power draw may show perhaps 120w.  So while it is relevant, it is best used comparing same series cards, or perhaps like 470 vs 480.

It is hard to isolate total card power draw without metering the cables going to it.

Profitability over time charts for many GPUs - http://xeridea.us/charts

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November 06, 2016, 05:29:00 AM
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Maybe or not. Claymore puts alot of work in his software. Just wait till he responds to the acusations.
The point is you don't actually know how much work Claymore puts into his software releases. Inspection of "his" code reveals it is someone else's, at least in part. So my question to you is simple.......how do you know what is his work and someone else's? Did you disassemble his release? Are you doubting mrb's claims?
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November 06, 2016, 05:42:50 AM
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Did you disassemble his release?
Did you?
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November 06, 2016, 05:47:08 AM
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Dumping zec as soon as you mined it doesn't make any sense to me either.  The availability of zec is still under 2k. When zec went live there was less than 3 coins on the market therefore driving the demand up to 5k. Limited supply, high demand = decent price. There is no reason for the price to plummet this far.

 I believe the same concept still applies. There is still a limited amount of zec coin available to be mined by miners and to be traded on the market. If you dump your zec coins for cheap then you are just shooting yourself in the foot. You would be mining a coin that is drastically losing vaule. I don't think everyone who is mining zec understand that it will not make them millions or even thousands of dollars if they continue to mine and dump. There is just not enough supply at this stage of "slow low block payment" of zec.

Everyone is free to make their own decision. They can mine and dump. It's a free country!

However, I will caution that if we, as miners don't hold on the price of zec, we will drive it to the ground before we can even get 13.5 zec per block chain. We will all jump back on the ETH boat because it will be the most profitable coin to mine, driving the diff bomb back to 100t plus. Then what? What happens when ETH goes POS. Which coins will we chase next?
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November 06, 2016, 05:47:31 AM
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Did you disassemble his release?
Did you?
Answering a question with a question gives me your answer Wink
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November 06, 2016, 05:47:42 AM
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It's a good thing he is not the Nazarene his minions would have taken him to the cross already, in this day and age  Heroes need lawyers and body guards IMO. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Tongue Tongue Tongue Tongue Tongue Tongue Tongue Tongue

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November 06, 2016, 05:48:53 AM
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As to the accusations. The code is open source? So claymore could use the code but has to give credit to where credit is due? What exactly does the original dev want?
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November 06, 2016, 05:58:18 AM
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Answering a question with a question gives me your answer Wink
That's the answer to my question. You haven't done it :-)
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November 06, 2016, 06:03:13 AM
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Answering a question with a question gives me your answer Wink
That's the answer to my question. You haven't done it :-)
What kind of dumbass noob are you exactly? THE FUCKING AUTHOR OF THE CODE DID!
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November 06, 2016, 06:08:03 AM
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My point was not the holding.  But when the value was up there.. when it was 800+ buyers and only 300+ coins the sellers still fucking dropped the value.  They do not know how to do supply and demand and keep the price up.  Should of set something like minimum sell to 1.8 BTC or something.  It would of remained up there in value than if the sellers would work at setting a standard price. But no even when there was less coins to buy than buyers the price was plummeting down because seller wanted to sell quickly than priced it lower than everyone else.. and the next one repeated process and the price just kept getting cheaper and cheaper.

In the beginning it was not so bad.. price would plummet but the coins ran out the dump sellers had. than the price would skyrocket back up!  But than it has gotten to be more coins than buyers and sellers had kept plummeting the price.  I won't be surprised if the coin becomes worthless because sellers are impatient to sell and will not wait and set there price lower than everyone else keeping the downward spiral.

ZCash should of kept a 1:1 with BTC.  Buyers buy ZCash to do there anonymous transactions than cash out in BTC.  Keeping amount near the same but instead just have a bunch of miners that want to sell so fast they they set there value one point lower.. price now becomes new price.. next seller does same.. price becomes new price.. repeat, repeat, repeat.  Miners would have to work together and set the lowest value and not go any lower to get a standard limit set.  But it will not happen as everyone wants to quick dump.. back in the spike period I would set a sell target price that was high and during the spike I would end up selling it.

The reason for the insane prices at start is hype, and ludicrously low supply.  If there is only like 1 coin in the world, it will be worth a lot. Now there are thousands, or course price will be lower. People posting that everyone should hold are either retarded and don't understand supply and demand, and some other concepts, or are just wanting others to hold so they can sell.

Sure if EVERY SINGLE MINER, pool operator, and Chinese farm on the planet held, price might stay high longer, but if this was the case, it would be ludicrously profitable for any of thousands of miners to sell.  Any investor could mine a few fractions of a coin on his laptop, and make a killing with no risk. It isn't smart to hoard all your coins when they lose a ton of value per day.  Everyone is free to make their own choices.  If someone mines 0.01 Zec, them holding will be drops in a bucket, so it likely won't affect price either way.

Reguarding the first few hours.  It is completely and absurdly insane to believe the value would hold at $40,000 per coin, and so it is extremely risky to try to hold.

The reason for the price going down is almost entirely a factor of the increasing reward, and coins mined.

Profitability over time charts for many GPUs - http://xeridea.us/charts

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November 06, 2016, 06:12:22 AM
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Keep calm people. It may be just a rumor.
It isn't a rumor when the author of part of the code clearly says his code has been infringed without due credit.

The author of the code can't know if it was infringed without seeing the source.  The authors solver is slower, uses more VRAM, uses a lot more CPU, and PCIe bandwidth, runs on fewer cards, and crashes a lot. Why would you want to copy that?

Profitability over time charts for many GPUs - http://xeridea.us/charts

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November 06, 2016, 06:16:11 AM
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What kind of dumbass noob are you exactly?
I am just somebody, that has been programming since about 1975 Cheesy
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